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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
And come on lol. Can we not use real life as comparison to the world of NARUTO? A world where Tsunade can look 30 yrs younger with a little jutsu, Where Orochimaru can simply get himself a new body and where eye transplants require no expensive medical machinery haha.
Onoki was young when Madara was alive, Onoki would have been the same age as perhaps... 2nd Hokage Tobirama Senju? Or infact, considerably younger.
Perhaps in between 3rd Hokage's age and 2nd Hokage's age.
Coz I imagine the 2nd Tsuchikage is the same age as the 2nd Hokage. So If the Third is somewhat older than the 3rd Hokage then its not that big a deal.
I think Longetivity can also be grouped with Survival ability. The way Nagato was still alive and able to survive when Naruto found him in that sickly state after Naruto wiped out the 6pains. Or the way Naruto survives the insane crap he's been through or how Kushina was still alive after the Kyuubi transferral.
Onoki seems like he is only alive coz he did dirty work by having subordinates do it for him once he got kinda old. Had he done as much work as he did in his day when he had just become Tsuchikage the guy wouldnt have survived I reckon.
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Also, I have another evidence to support that the Uzumaki clan was spread across the country long time ago. Look at nagato's family. His family was relocated to the rain country way before the First shinobi war (the one where Jiraiya and the other Sannins participated). This shows a high chance of the members of the Uzumaki creating descendents in other countries. Since there would have been many marriages formed with other clan members outside the Uzumaki clan, it is likely that the special traits that characterize the Uzumaki clan would have gone dormant or not strongly expressed in the future generation.
There is much evidence to support that red-hair is exclusive to those with Uzumaki lineage. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that says that there can be a red-headed individual who has no connection to the Uzumaki clan.
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lol, you do know that when you say "It hasn't been disproven so you can't say that it's not correct" is so flawed. cause if that's the case, i could say that Naruto is an ice element user since theres a possibility that naruto's next element will be water as to counter sasuke's fire element. and since it wasn't stated otherwaise then it must be true. But we all know from commen sense that it's not true and doesn't need to be stated in the manga for us to know that. get what i'm sayin? everytime you use the excuse that it hasn't been disproven, your just making it look like you can't decipher things on your own. Kishi shouldn't have to write things down as if were babies.
gold nanomaterials are actually quite magnetic it seems.
And although I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that every gigner in Naruto is an Uzumaki (as Naruto - for one - doesn't have red hair - though it may be due to his fathers influence), I really really hate the argument of "as A/B isn't shown, A/B MUST be right/wrong".
And yeah, our common sense should tell us not every Redhead is an Uzumaki, but whenever a Redhead is revealed it isnt wrong to assume they could possibly be an Uzumaki.
Personally, I think the Gaara thing isnt impossible, but I doubt its from his dad who is also a red head which kinda disproves the theory. I doubt its from his dad since Temari and Kankuro show NO signs of being an Uzumaki lol.
Anyways, I am going with the possibility that Gaara's mom was part uzumaki. It could explain how she continued to "protect" gaara with the sand all these years. Could be a reference to the Uzumaki's special chakra and conforms with Naruto's parents' chakra remaining inside naruto for all these years.
actually, it wasn't Gaara's mother's chakra that was protecting him, it was actually the Shukaku that was protecting it's host so that it wasn't killed either. It was a side effect of the bijuu and possibly perhaps the type of sealing jutsu that they used. The whole mother thing was Gaara's way of coping with his life and mainly losing his mother. He was phychotic at that point of the manga. If you look at him now, there is no sign that he believes his mother is controling the sand. As for his father, his hair was the same color as Gaara's.
That's exactly what i'm getting at though, using that point as an arguement is completely pointless... It's like a cop out in trying to win a discussion/debate. When someone uses that, it's like talking to a child which is the main reason why i neeeever use that in a discussion or as proof.
As for his dad's hair color, you can google it.
And my argument is not grounded on "if you can't disprove it, it must be true." I gave references and accounts given in the manga to support my hypothesis on the significance of having red hair in the naruto universe. None of you have provided a strong counter argument/evidence that entirely disprove my hypothesis. That is what I am saying. There is nothing childish about it.
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If you're going off of common sense, then it is impossible for people to spit fire out of their mouths. But this is narutoverse. If the redheaded trait originated from the uzumaki clan (Tobi said it was their "trademark" trait) then we can make an assumption that red heads could be related to them. This trait may be not expressed in certain individuals as it becomes recessive.
I provided evidence that supported my hypothesis.
Last edited by SuperSaiyan4; February 21, 2012 at 03:27 AM.
but the evidence that you gave isn't a concrete one though. that's what i'm trying to say. When Tobi said that he has the Uzumaki trademark hair, he means that all Uzumaki's have red hair, it didn't mean that peoples from other clans couldn't have red hair. And besides even if that is the case, you can't take Tobi's words for trueth all the time. He has prooven to have lied and also been wrong on many occasions. For example with naruto, wheres the trademark red hair with him if Tobi's words are so absolute. And again your taking words that are being said too literally, widen your way of thinking. When i said commen sense, i was referring to commen sense in the narutoverse. Even though it's a manga, it still keeps certain bounderies and rules. we have all read the manga long enough to see what is possible and what isn't possible in the manga.
In the manga, we have seen that when it comes to clans, they generally stick to the same type of jutsu's. Uzumaki's tended to use sealing types of jutsu's. And before you use the arguement you used last time, i'm talking about special types of jutsu's not just regular ones.They are like the same clans as Chouji, shikamaru and Ino's clan. They don't have any extra abilities like healing from drinking blood, which mean karin is out. or the ability too control sand or gold or any other type of grain, which has been show to be a hidden technique just like shikamaru basically... If the healing from drinking karin's blood was a hidden ability of an Uzumaki then it would have been shown already from someone that has been confirmed as Uzumaki. So basically what i'm saying is that your evidence isn't concrete enough to make that claim. Not just yet at least... Think of it as evidence in our world in a murder case or something. the evidence is circumstancial and it wouldn't hold up in court, the evidence would be thrown away. Now i'm only using that as a better way of explaining what i mean so don't go saying that i'm trying to compare it to real world events, cause i'm not...lol
Re-read the manga bro. He was by himself. Who was there for Tobi!Madara to lie to? Nobody.
Kishi made him say that to himslef on purpose to let fans know a strong characteristic of the Uzumaki clan since they were dispersed and inactive at the start of the storyline.
Same way how the Uchiha and Hyuga all had dark hair.
Except Red is a much rarer hair colour in this particular anime. So its not way out there for a redhead person in the storyline to also be Uzumaki.
Well, thats because Choji, Shikamaru and Ino were raised with and grew up within their clans. As did Sasuke, Neji, Kiba and Shino. So they would know of their clans traits from birth making it second nature.
Obviously, Naruto and Nagato would not know of their Uzumaki heritage and lineage as their clan had long dispersed by the time they were born. So they didnt grow up within an environment like the Akimichi clan or Nara clan for older clansmen to show them the Hidden Jutsu's of their clan.
Naruto has extra abilities like being able to perform Senjutsu which the majority of ninja cannot. Uzumaki was never stated to do so but he is still an Uzumaki.
Karin is surnameless as it is now and Karin has extra ablities. Im not even saying she is, but I think its wrong for you to confirm she is not. Her healing ability was not shown to be an Uzumaki ability but are you saying that coz Sasuke could summon Snakes like Orochimaru meant he was not an Uchiha?
Just coz of one Jutsu you are gonna rule out a theory? Your not wrong but its not enough to rule it out is all.
Lastly, how do we know how Gaara learned his Sand jutsu? Its not been shown that someone taught it to him, and its not exactly been stated to be genetic although his Dad using gold dust points towards the genetic.
But Temari, Kankuro and nobody else from the Hidden Sand has been shown using a sand jutsu so it doesnt actually rule out Gaara.
When i was talking about tobi lieing and not alway's being right, i meant when he told Sasuke that he had nothing to do with the attack when he clearly did, and right now we are starting to see that Tobi is wrong about naruto's strength and how he is infact having trouble with fighting naruto... He even said himself that Naruto isn't strong enough to make Tobi sweat, yet i'm sure were goin to see Naruto give him a run for his money... That's all i meant by not believing everything Tobi say's... And i actually do have a grasp of genetics. And the fact that you said that Uzumaki's have a trade mark red hair is exactly why i'm saying that Tobi is wrong. Just because your an Uzumaki doesn't mean that you will have red hair... It's a trademark, not a concrete stereotype. If you want to give the Uzumaki a concrete stereotype i would be more inclined to use there massive Chakra pool as evidence that they are Uzumaki.
Massive reading to get through all this, and so many feelings and such, so I'll be a bit rude and skip most of the post
Something I'd like to point out though..
Like if a couple comes together, one has blue eyes, the other has brown eyes, then you know their baby will have brown eyes cause the brown eye DNA is dominant.
It could be the same in the Naruto world, a true Uzumaki has red hair, while someone mixed with outside clans loose their red hair trade mark. (Tsunade/Naruto)
Thus, when saying trademark, it means they seem to only keep their red hair (in this world), when having babies with another Uzumaki.
This is what clans is all about in the Narutoverse, to preserve their origin, not to loose their unique Quality.
It does not mean that someone else can't have red hair, it could on the other hand mean, that it's a sign among the Uzumaki's that they're of a pure clan.
Even if there are others in the world with red hair, it's merely a trademark of purity "within" the clan, than of being an Uzumaki.
My 2 cents :3
um, i would have to guess that the eye color thing has some exceptions. My mother has brown eyes yet i have blue eyes. and no i'm not adopted if you were goin to say that... lol.... My father has blue eyes, so i alway's thought that blue eyes were more dominant.
A Brown eyed parent and a Blue eyed parent, there is still the 25% chance that the kid could have Blue eyes. Long explanation and this is Narutoverse where we can have a clan of people of who's pupils are practically white. Nevermind real life lol.
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So yeah, Redhead is an Uzumaki trademark and like I mentioned before, if your not a full Uzumaki like Naruto isnt, then your probably wont have red hair.
Nagato is likely a full Uzumaki. I think both is parents were red heads I cant remember.
Also, im not current with the anime coz I hated the fillers but everyone at my school has told me the fillers are done so I will check, but the Kushina flashback where we see Mito Uzumaki the 1st Hokage's wife. Did she have red hair? If so, then its a proven concrete stereotype bro.
Kushina, Mito, Nagato the only full Uzumaki's in the storyline all being red heads.
Our half-Uzumaki Naruto WILL be the exception due to his dad being a vivid blonde. Also, Naruto is the exception for loads of stuff. Even with the war, Genins arent allowed in world wars yet he is THE ONLY Genin in the war lol.