Sasuke vs Lee and Gai

[xXan]

Noticed this discussion aroung here in some other topics and so i decided to make a topic about it.

Lee can use sake and can open 5 gates. Saske and gates can't be used at the same time. So its 1 or the other.
Gai can open only 7 gates max. We are not using 8 gates as that would kill him and we don't know what he can do with them.

Sasuke is curent one BUT you can only use the feats showed by him up to chapter 571.

Fight takes place in a ruined village. Caracter morals and fighting style apply.

[ninjabot]

I gave Lee and Gai the win last time I think, because it'd be two opponents moving faster than his Sharingan can deal with instead of just one. Then I remembered the Genjutsu rule used against Jiraiya and Minato works here aswell. Lee can't use ninjutsu, meaning he can't use Kai to release himself from Genjutsu. And if Gai runs in to break him free of Genjutsu, then the incoming Amaterasu would hit them both of he doesn't go Gates instantly.

I see multiple scenarios where Sasuke forces Gai to save Lee, resulting in the death of both or one of them.

[xXan]

What if they fight by looking at Sasuke's feet? If Gai can do it then its not a huge asumtion to belive Lee can do it to and it would make more then enough sense for Gai to teach him that.

[LnDRash]

That fighting style would grant protection from Sharingan Genjutsu... but it has a huge flaw: Gai didn't know about or didn't take into account MS stuff like Amaterassu or Kamui... not keeping check on the eyes of an MS user is practially an invitation for a free kill, because you can't dodge what you can't see comming.

[ninjabot]

Lee is like Gai, but that's not the same as him BEING Gai. Again, the only ninja in the manga who can successfully fight with that fighting style is Gai, because he's the bar-none best pure Taijutsu expert in the entire manga. He specifically trained for situations like that, it's not something you can do on the fly or else Kakashi would've did so, as would Kurenai and Asuma.

Not to mention even if it's Gai who chooses to fight this way, it's only gonna help him avoid Genjutsu, not Amaterasu. And if he goes full on 7 Gates he'll throw caution to the wind, pounding away at Sasuke's Susanoo in an attempt to break through. An Amaterasu coated Susanoo, or simply a glancing blow from his Amaterasu sword, would work. And if Gai's using Asakujaku then he can't see Sasuke on the other side of the hundreds of flaming punches. Sasuke could fire an Amaterasu arrow right through the hail of punches and he'd never see it coming.

[xXan]

Are we asuming Gai/Lee have Raikage level of reaction times and speed? If that is so Raikage moved only after Amaterasu was shoot at him:
http://www.mangareader.net/93-31674-...apter-463.html
That means he can react the the fire itself and not the eyes. If he reacted to the eyes then he would have moved when the change in the eyes was evident.
If we are not asuming those 2 got the same level of speed/reflexes this would be irrelevant as they can't dodge no matter where they look.

Now asuming they got the same speed/reactions times they would see the Amaterasu in there faces and dodge that, Amaterasu is clearly visible in front of you even if you are looking down at the feet. Looking at the feet just avoids direct eye contact.

Lee and Gai are defenetly not the same dude BUT they are like a carbon copy. Gai was the only 1 stated to be able to do that because of his specific fighting style that Lee shares almost completly. It would be an asumtion but i don't think its an exageragion in any way to belive he could do that. I am also aware that Gai trained to do that because of his dealings with Kakashi but considering Lee would have to fight people with Sharingan or other eye jutsus it would make sense for Gai to train his padawan in it.

Now asuming the above point that Gai/Lee are as fast as Raikage they should be able to move behind Sasuke and use those ranged attacks before Sasuke can turn and Amaterasu there buts.

Oh yeah i am not stating Gai/Lee wins, personaly i belive the oposite but i found people stating that those 2 would win and i hoped they would show up to defened there points here. I don't remember all the people that whent with them but Rikudou King was one of them and if ninjabot was another one he aparently changed his mind :P

[Mack]

Pointless discussion. Once we do not know what the last gate is capable of, we know nothing. Yes, in one of the last chapters he was going to use it to counter several bijuudama's, but still, it is all assumptions.

[ninjabot]

^ He said the last Gate is not allowed. Even if it was allowed the most it could give Gai is a draw or a loss. A loss if Sasuke survives the onslaught. A draw if he kills Sasuke with it, because he automatically dies after it's use.

@xXan: Yeah, we'd need proof that Lee could go all the way up to 7 Gates inorder to give him access to Noon Tiger. Heck, even having access to the Gates leading up to it doesn't guarantee he can use the same attacks that Gai can. He may just know how to open them, but not how to use the special attacks that go with them. It's not baseless to assume that he can, but it's assumption that leads to more assumption that leads to more assumption. Usually when we let assumptions pass as logical it's because it leads to a quick and sensible answer. But here we have to assume that:

Lee can use the "avoid eye contact" style as good as Gai.
Gai can reach speeds comperable to Raikage with his Gates
Lee's speed is comperable to Gai's when using same level of Gates
Gai, and by proxy Lee, know about Amaterasu or Susanoo.

Half the things giving them a fighting chance are things we can't prove they actually have as advantages. As for avoiding Amaterasu, Raikage knew what was coming when he dodged, and certainly wasn't looking at Sasuke's feet.

[xXan]

Pointless discussion. Once we do not know what the last gate is capable of, we know nothing. Yes, in one of the last chapters he was going to use it to counter several bijuudama's, but still, it is all assumptions.

Please read the OP before posting. The 8'th gate is not allowed.

@ninjabot

Lee is only going with 5 gates as i stated in the OP to. I asume that he could use some ranged compresion wave even with 5 gates. Of course it would be nothing like what Gai was able to pull vs Kisame but all the little things add lol. Of course if you don't whant to accept me asumtions i am all good as i can't exacly prove it :P. I was giving it as a possibility anyway so we have somthing to debate.

Lee can use the "avoid eye contact" style as good as Gai.

This he should be able to do. Gai himself never showed what he could do with it so an asumtion even there.

Gai can reach speeds comperable to Raikage with his Gates

Well that was in conjunction to what you guys where stating. If he can't then it would be irrelevant if he is looking at the feet or not. I gave that asumtion to debate that.

Lee's speed is comperable to Gai's when using same level of Gates

Going with 5 gates on this dude. So oviously not. Again i was just using that asumtion so we can debate that "look at the feet and eat Amaterasu" thing. I was asuming both of them could achive that speed.

Gai, and by proxy Lee, know about Amaterasu or Susanoo.

They should do. Even Raikage knew... After the events of this war this should be common info.

Half the things giving them a fighting chance are things we can't prove they actually have as advantages. As for avoiding Amaterasu, Raikage knew what was coming when he dodged, and certainly wasn't looking at Sasuke's feet.

True but as i said i was not debating about Lee/Gai winning this (i was hopping people that stated that in the other topic would pop up). I was debating other things you people stated and to do that i had to make some asumtion so we could form that hypothesis. If i did not what was the point for you people to state that looking at his feat would be bad as he would eat an Amaterasu if he is going to eat one even by looking at his eyes? I belived you wanted to debate that point. If not just ignore it :P

As for Raikage.. Well he needed to know that Amaterasu was about to be used to activate his max shield power and use shunshin. Lee and Gai would be constantly at that max speed with gates open so no need to power up anything.

I am starting to regreat creating this fight as i was expecting people that stated in other topics that Lee/Gai would win to come and state the same things... For me this is a easy win for Sasuke so in a way because those people are not showing up(and or change there minds... yes i am looking at you rofl) i enede up creating a spite topics... I hope i don't end up with a temporary ban like Lemonadez :P.

[Mack]

Please read the OP before posting. The 8'th gate is not allowed.

Aaajx, missed that, really sorry.

Well then, i do not see how they can get through susanoo. It is penetrable, yes, but i do not think they will get through with the tiger.

Blow it away or something. I do not see that happening. And you have to remember that the tiger is quite the only one thing that might get through, while Sasuke posses many attacks. Also we know his fighting style. Once he meets these guys, he just pops up the susanoo immediatelly.

[xXan]

Please read the OP before posting. The 8'th gate is not allowed.

Aaajx, missed that, really sorry.

Well then, i do not see how they can get through susanoo. It is penetrable, yes, but i do not think they will get through with the tiger.

Blow it away or something. I do not see that happening. And you have to remember that the tiger is quite the only one thing that might get through, while Sasuke posses many attacks. Also we know his fighting style. Once he meets these guys, he just pops up the susanoo immediatelly.

I know but as i said there where people who belived this 2 can do it. I was hopping for them to post here. I can't force them to do it if they don't whant to of course :P

[mattiaildivino]

sasuke's speed should be surpassed by gates,and his sharingan wouldn't work enough against 7gates gai. I'd give this to the konoha beasts since they can attack and counter attack.