Minato vs Sasuke

[jaymizzo]

@ chilibun

I see no reason not to believe Sasuke is faster then the Sandaime Raikage, when none of the Alliance had trouble dealing with his attack and Sasuke has been shown comparable to Ee and Itachi.

Still cant remember which thread it was, but Rikudou king has been saying, or implying that Sasuke speed = (or atleast comparable) to that of Ee.

[hao-sama]

okay that may have been an exagerration, but remember this.

Minato can slaughter an entire army in the blink of an eye. he blitzed through an entire field of ninja's and slitted each of their throats (or used rasengan on them or whatever) in the entire split-second it took to hiraishin through the whole field. his base speed would have to be godly in order in order for him to do that. i don't think minato's base speed would lose to sasuke's at any rate.

[chilibun]

@ chilibun

Still cant remember which thread it was, but Rikudou king has been saying, or implying that Sasuke speed = (or atleast comparable) to that of Ee.

Sandaime Raikage is Ee's father and he is indeed not as fast as Ee. His speed is comparable to that of Sasuke's. I'd still give him maybe a step ahead, but its definitely comparable.

okay that may have been an exagerration, but remember this.

Minato can slaughter an entire army in the blink of an eye. he blitzed through an entire field of ninja's and slitted each of their throats (or used rasengan on them or whatever) in the entire split-second it took to hiraishin through the whole field. his base speed would have to be godly in order in order for him to do that. i don't think minato's base speed would lose to sasuke's at any rate.

There is actually no evidence of Minato actually taking out all of them in an instant because the whole battle was offscreened. Besides, they are fodder. They are created to make named characters look good. Sasuke have also taken out 50 fodders in an instant. Its really not all that impressive.

[jaymizzo]

@ chilibun

Minato was able to react to Ees fastest attack. Teleporting or whatever is irrelevant. Sasuke couldnt react to the Raikage once he became serious. Im going to reread that fight just to make sure im not making this up

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He mentions Sasuke being comparable to Ee.

Naruto directly compares the 3rd to Ee (if i remember correctly) and Naruto has gone up against Ees fastest movement and was able to evade him. And the same Naruto in RM knew that he's speed wouldnt do much to someone who could keep up with him. Which should tell you that the 3rd is as fast.

The argument that the alliance was able to keep up is moot because Suigetsu and even Juugo were able to block Raikage while he was in cloak form.

~Sasuke is NOT as fast as the Raikage.

[xXan]

@hao-sama

Sasuke just summons Susano, then what? What is his speed going to do? Also Minato first needs a kunai in the area to teleport to it and hit Sasuke. Just like vs Tobi and Raikage.

Susano can be summoned faster then a lightbolt can hit the ground. Minato can't strike him down faster then that.

@jaymizzo

Wrong. Minato reacted by teleporting and Sasuke reacting by putting Amaterasu on Susano.

[Lemonadez]

LOL then he can summon bunta and do water bullet and that amaterasu will disappear.

There also no proof what so ever that Amaterasu can stand water, since it never happen to begin with.

I think bunta sword attack have bigger force dmg than Danzou wind jutsu.

[jaymizzo]

A lightning bolt is not instant, Hiraishin IS instant.

Though i see your point, assuming Sasuke starts with Susano'o, Minato could simply throw 4-10 Kunais in fast motion in a straight or different directions towards Sasuke, Sasuke summons Susano'o and hopefully Minato would/should be close enough, he throws a kunai or two under Sasukes feet and opens a rift. Though it wont kill Sasuke, atleast it would BFR him lol

But in all seriousness; You said Minato has sage mode, and we know he has a contract with the frogs, he could simply summon bunta, then summon ma and pa and enter sage mode. His base speed enhanced with Sage mode should be enough to give Sasuke some trouble, add Hiraishin on top of that and its going to be a blur fest. While Sasuke is busy preoccupied with fighting or catching Minato, Ma and Pa could do the frog song, Sasuke has not shown the ability to counter any genjutsu that isnt visual so this should work.

If Susano'o is still up, Minato could proceed to batter it with Sage mode Rasengans untill a spot opens up, tag Sasuke for safety and then proceed to hammering him with rasengans. If Sasuke somehow manages to escape the Genjutsu, he is already tagged and you know how it goes from there.

Ahh Ballz... I just reread the OP and saw no frog song genjutsu. Guess its fair.

[xXan]

LOL then he can summon bunta and do water bullet and that amaterasu will disappear.

There also no proof what so ever that Amaterasu can stand water, since it never happen to begin with.

I think bunta sword attack have bigger force dmg than Danzou wind jutsu.

Man you are so right... What a moron Raikage is for cutting his own hand off when all he had to do is put some water on it :P
Also the thing BURNS FIRE ITSELF.

@jaymizzo

Teleporting to an object is instant, striking that object is not. Minato still needs to swing his arms and that is why he teleports in people blind spots (Raikage,Tobi).

Going by the OP a BFR would be a loss for Minato lol. So bad idea :P
He needs to defeat him or kill him. What is the point to teleport him 1km away? That is not goign to stop him. If he had a special place like Tobi sure but ... Yeah he does not.

Minato has Naruto's level of SM, no need for Ma and Pa.

[chilibun]

LOL then he can summon bunta and do water bullet and that amaterasu will disappear.

There also no proof what so ever that Amaterasu can stand water, since it never happen to begin with.

I think bunta sword attack have bigger force dmg than Danzou wind jutsu.

Amaterasu flames are said to be inextinguishable. Read Sasuke vs. Bee. Amaterasu can't be put out by water.

@ jaymizzo

Naruto never said the 3rd is as fast as Ee. He said he knows that the 3rd is fast because of his experience of fighting against Ee. And indeed he is fast, but not Ee fast. Him keeping up with RS Naruto means nothing because everybody can keep up with RS Naruto. Naruto is the most inconsistent character in the manga. He will always be as fast and as strong as plot demands of him. Naruto displays the speed of Ee in one scene and can't even dodge a zetsu vine the next. The 3rd Raikage has not shown anything that indicates he is as fast as Ee. Nobody had trouble following his movements, where as Ee dodged Amaterasu and smoked Sasuke.

A lightning bolt is pretty much instantaneously. The human body's nervous system cannot fire synapses fast enough to react to it. The last I checked, shinobi's in Naruto are still bound by these limits thus why Raikage's raiton cloak is so special. It enhances his nerves synapses to fire at near light speed. I don't see the summons having much success at all because Sasuke's new Susanoo has a freaking sword made of Amaterasu. It'll pretty cut and burn through anything these summons can throw at him. The only chance is if Minato creates enough distractions to drop Bunta right on top of him, but thats way too difficult.

Anybody have chances to win in top tier fights, but I'm going with Sasuke's way more dominating power and defense vs. a shinobi that would require things to fall into place in order to win.

[jaymizzo]

@ xXan

Read what i said, i said wether he teleported or whatever is irrelevant, he still had the reaction speed to react to Ees fastest attack. Sasuke has the sharingan to help him, but like you said countless of times, Ee made Sasuke into a statue. He put Amaterasu on Susano'o incase he was hit from where he didnt expect because he couldnt keep up with the Raikage.

Minato had his Kunai placed on Bees head the moment he teleported to him, which seems failry instant or quick, or maybe he could have the stabing gesture at the ready when he teleports towards Sasuke.

I would constantly have Ma and Pa with me no matter how perfect my sage mode is, they are a great help with theyre combination attacks and theyre ability to summon all the frogs onto the battlefield.

Fine, teleporting Sasuke or Susano'o isnt practical, but i see no other way, Minato constantly grinding at Sasuke with Rasengans would most likely lead to his death. I say 50/50 lol

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@ chilibun

Yes but it still isnt instant, it has a measured speed. Instant is unquantifiable and cant be measured. But i see what you mean.

Yes, but Minato was still able to react fast enough to not lose his head. While Sasuke on the other hand had to use precautions because he couldnt keep up with the Sharingan. I guess its the same as what Minato did with the Kunais, but he never knew how fast Ee was to begin with.

The summons could proof to be a good distraction, and i dont think Sasuke would get all of them in that short time frame. The summons could just continuously spam jutsu towards Sasuke, allowing him no time to use Amaterasu or the arrows. Or if Sasuke does fire an arrow towards Minato, Minato could just feed it back to him.

Though i cant see Minato breaking through Susano'o without great distraction, its doable. I still give this a 50/50 depending on if Sasuke starts off with Susano'o

[Lemonadez]

Why break susanoo if danzou able to touch susanoo, minato can touch it to and put a seal on susanoo.
Teleport susanoo and u do know susanoo weakness is under the user feet...

Minato use Falcon punch > sasuke

Who knows maybe minato knows more sealing jutsu.

He can just teleport to Bee again and ask for the treasure LOOOL

[Uchiha_Blood]

Madara Susanoo's "human form" withstood an Oodama Rasengan, even if it was done by a clone.
Sasuke's complete one would withstood one from Yondaime, even if Yondaime was in Sage Mode. With that being said, if he has all tags placed around him then Yondaime wins simply because Sasuke do not know anything about Hiraishin, unless I read the OP wrong.
Since Sasuke never starts ( unless against Danzou, but because he wanted to murder him ) with Susano'o up, it is plausible that the moment he would attack, Yondaime would teleport and hit him with a Rasengan, placing a tag on him and thus winning the fight, since Yondaime would appear inside Susano'o and hit Sasuke again and again.

Yondaime's too nerfed here, unless Sasuke unlogically goes in Susano'o in the istant the fight starts he is defeated.
He didn't do it against the Raikage and Bee, both kage levels ninja like Minato, he wouldn't do it against Yondaime. So power-wise, even with all his boost Yondaime can't top Sasuke, reality-wise Yondaime can win more time than Sasuke, since the Sharingan is useless against Hiraishin, being a justu that isn't a human movement, but a teleportation.

Kunai scattered across the battlefield would not make Sasuke assume that he can teleport to them until Yondaime uses his jutsu, and the moment he does, Sasuke is marked, thus defeated. Otherwise, Yondaime's best bet is to simply keep Sasuke on guard, evading his attacks while he exhaustes himself:
he has reflexes comparable to Raikage's, so he can dodge Amaterasu and likely the arrows. He wouldn't be caught by a Genjutsu long enough for Sasuke to strike, and all in all Sasuke needs to remain inside Susano'o to win, since if he's vulnerable he would've been hit and marked. Raikage couldn't not predict nor react to Yondaime's Hiraishin, and I know that Sasuke isn't faster than A.
Sasuke has 10 minutes at best to win ( against Danzou he went at it for that long before losing almost all his chakra ), Yondaime can survive for this long? Yes, but he can be caught by Sasuke in the meantime

[M3J]

Sasuke is not as fast as Raikage, but he can keep up with Raikage until Raikage uses his highest speed (dodging Amaterasu). Granted, it's due to Sharingan, but Sasuke can keep up. Unless Minato's shown to match Raikage's fastest, Sasuke should be able to keep up with Minato's speed. Tags are also useless as long as there's Susano'o because Sasuke can block the kunai with Susano's shield. however, as long as tags are spread out, some far from Minato and Sasuke's location, Susano'o's arrows won't do a thing to Minato since he can Hiraishin away or even teleport the arrows away.

Minato can get Amaterasu'd though. Sasuke can put Minato in a genjutsu and then follow up with Amaterasu. If Minato doesn't know Amaterasu is coming, he'll most likely get hit.

That said, thanks to Hiraishin Minato will likely win. He can dodge most attacks, and if Sasuke tries to take out the kunai with tags, Minato can use that moment to attack or lay a trap. Sasuke keeping Susano'o up will be dangerous, and Minato's reflexes make it hard for him to be hit. If Sasuke tries to attack from behind... he ain't Tobi to survive Minato's reflex stab to the head.

[Prince Sasuke]

Here we go again!!

All these 'extra' battles are all in the Sasuke vs the world thread. But these threads are made for one reason, nerfing Sasuke(yes I read the OP).

Anyway. Sasuke can't possibly win. He is going aginst the greatest ninja that konoha produce. The yellow flash,forth hokage, Minato.

Sasuke will be sealed ,tagged, and dead before he can't activate his sharingan.

[jaymizzo]

Here we go again!!

All these 'extra' battles are all in the Sasuke vs the world thread. But these threads are made for one reason, nerfing Sasuke(yes I read the OP).

Anyway. Sasuke can't possibly win. He is going aginst the greatest ninja that konoha produce. The yellow flash,forth hokage, Minato.

Sasuke will be sealed ,tagged, and dead before he can't activate his sharingan.

Ohh god, xXan just explained the reason he created the thread in the first place, and to be honest he made it much more interesting that the casual -1 shot genjutsu argument you people tend to have.

Sasuke has a chance of winning this as alot of us have explained, as long as he has Susano'o Minato is basically screwed. If he decided to mess around and test Minato, Sasuke is screwed. Its a 50/50.