How Did the Supernovas Get Their Bounties?

[Page356]

Okay we know that the supernovas all have at least 100,000 bounties....but why? Luffy defeated 2/7 of the Schichibukai, envaded Enies Lobby, survived a buster call, has a crewmates that can read polyglyphs and have the blue prints to Pluton, and he is the son of Dragon and grandson of Garp and he didn't even have the highest bounty.

Seriously what else is left in the first part of the Grand Line to get a high bounty? I know some may have been cruel but seriously, 100,000 berri bounty? Just looking for ideas.

[Fox666]

As far we know, a bounty of 300 million is just a rookie. Supposedly someone like Enel could get a bounty of 500 million if he was a pirate.

[Shinobuden]

The only one I really know why he has such a huge bounty is Eustass. He's notorious for causing a lot of civilian casualties during his voyage, but that's about all I know. As for the rest, it remains a mystery really but I imagine it's along the same lines as Eustass.

[kkck]

Well, bounties take in a number of factors so it is not really that far fetched that they got those bounties. Bounties can consider strength, potential, threat level, actions and there is also the bias of any given person who assigns the bounties. Luffy got a 400 mil bounty yet we have no reason whatsoever to believe that before the timeskip he would have defeated a shichibukai (I do believe the crocodile and moria situations were highly circumstantial), a VA, an admiral or even pekoms.... At least if we were to consider strength alone as a factor for the bounty I would have thought luffy was grossly overpriced to say the least. Now, to get to where they did the supernova must have killed, pillage and fought marines and so on. Their strength is considerable and their potential quite something too. I also have this little theory that bounties are increasingly harder to increase to say the very least. Luffy got 100 mil for a shichibukai (purely circumstantial though), 300 mil for ennies lobby and rob lucci and 400 once he took out ID and marineford. Is that proportional? If anything it would make sense for him to get another 400 for ID and marineford alone.... Yet ID and marinford only increased his bounty by 100 mil. More so, the supernova which seemed to be the most relevant weren't necessarily even the ones with the highest bounties. Ok, there was kid but after him the ones who seemed more important were law, who had a smaller bounty than hawkins and drake and then bonnie who did not even clear 150 mil. Heck, remember when luffy first met BB? BB did not even believe luffy was worth the 30 mil he claimed to be worth even though at the time luffy had already received the 100 mil bounty. Given all of this, at least on strength alone it is likely not one of the supernova were worth even 100 mil so the WG must have necessarily taken into account their potential and what they could become in time along with particular actions which would inflate their bounty disproportionately to their strength. It is even plausible that the world government gave the rookies highly inflated bounties in hopes that they would catch the eye of exceptionally strong people and get killed before they reach their potential and live up to their high bounties.

[tret16]

Well like kkck said, bounties can also measure potential threat. Luffy is a sign of this type a thinking... When he got his first bounty, the marine said that he is a POTENTIAL threat and that was why he was given 30 mil bounty which was the highest in east blue for a long time. And then add in the other big things like ennies lobbie, shichibukai, ID and the war which brought it too 400mil.

Now i know most people wouldn't think that piliging and killing weaklings isn't that big a deal but just think that if it was in a real world, something like that is known as a serial killer. it's a bigger deal then you think even i nthe OP world. Kidd killed countless people without any remource and i would imagine quite a few of them were marines as well. Then add in his ability which is very strong in that era. I mean almost all weapons in the OP world are made of metal, so the only thing that would be effective againts him would be people with extreme strength too hurt him through the metal and very high speed too avoid his attacks and also a DF ability that stops from taking damage from blunt force attacks.

Now if you take bonnie for instance, hers wasn't given too her because of what she has done. It was given to her because of something with the WG and her potential threat... Even BB said that he was surprised that her bounty was so high.

For hawkins i could see his bounty being his potential as well since he's able to see the potential death and also being able to inflict damage on others simply by using a type a voodoo magic.

The rest we would have too see from Oda himself on why they got so high...

[Zehahaha]

Well but still... I think Oda screwed big time when he made Kidd have a bigger bounty than Luffy. He took out 2 Shichibukai, invaded EL, defeated CP9, declared war on the WG... If Kidd did half of this shit, I'd bow down to him but I doubt he did something that outrageous.

[Shinobuden]

Well but still... I think Oda screwed big time when he made Kidd have a bigger bounty than Luffy. He took out 2 Shichibukai, invaded EL, defeated CP9, declared war on the WG... If Kidd did half of this shit, I'd bow down to him but I doubt he did something that outrageous.

^ This is a pretty good point.

For all we know Kidd was merely violent and caused mayhem, but he never did something on the scale the Straw Hats did. I also find Kidd's bounty a bit unreasonable considering what the Straw Hats did before getting to Sabaody.

[kkck]

I doubt he did something that outrageous but I could see his crimes piling up. We have seen what he is like. He is a loose gun, he would kill on a whim and his ability itself would seem to be an ideal way to fight the marines. Metal is something found everywhere to say the least, even as a rookie taking him out without rather high level marines would have been difficult or plain impossible IMO. What could, say a battleship, do against him? He would stop the cannon balls with his ability and it would be remarkably useful at destroying the ships too. It is a matter of him making them float and throwing them off somewhere. Heck, we have seen the scale a few fruits can have once properly developed (WB, admirals and so on). Imagine kid reaching his potential and being in a naval fight... He could potentially destroy several battleships at once to say the least and cannon fire would be useless. Kid might not be the son of dragon but in many ways I would argue it is easy to see how he could be one of the more dangerous supernova. Considering his rather violent personality, it is easy to see how at every island he could have stopped he could have gotten in trouble with the marines and cause a hell lot more destruction against marines and civilians alike. I guess it depends on how oda makes this however kid being the psychopath he is is in many ways more dangerous than luffy.

[Zehahaha]

Well, Kidd crazy attitude has been displayed already, and he admitted that he killed anyone who dared mock him. But I don't know man... The Marines hold some double standards here that I don't get. They seem to take on consideration bloodline (Luffy & Ace), and people who know something that may causes harm to the very foundation of the WG (Robin for example), if a person attacks civilian or not, if a person attacks Marines or not... But sometimes, they seem to completely disregard civilians from the equation (Roger didn't seen like the kind of guy who would kill civilians just because they'd mock him, although he'd do it they mocked his Nakama). And yet, Roger must have been the most wanted man before Dragon.

Put aside Luffy's bloodline and his connections with extremely strong and dangerous people (Shanks, Rayleigh...), he attacked directly the WG, managed to escape from ID (a feat that was made only by Shiki), and rampaged in the war (he was an ant, but certainly left an impact in that war). Out of all the Supernovas, he's the one with the most outrageous acts, as far as we know, Kidd didn't take out EL/CP9/Shichibukai, I can see it easily that he just fought against other Marines/Pirates... I doubt he faced an Admiral, or Shichibukai. I doubt he had enough trouble like Luffy had.

[Shinobuden]

I just don't think Kidd's actions or his personality warrant such a huge bounty, no matter how many casualties he caused along the way. We've seen plenty of pirates with rotten personalities who have no qualms about killing anyone, yet some of those don't even have bounties exceeding 50 million.
Granted, Kidd has a very powerful devil fruit which renders most weapons with a metallic/iron nature useless, effectively neutralizing navy forces simply by using that. But I still don't see how that along with his dangerous personality got him such a huge bounty.
In that regard, I'd expect others such as Law and Bonney to have higher bounties aswell. They're clearly not as violent as Kidd, but their devil fruits are pretty powerful and I don't think we've seen the full extent of their abilities yet.

[matzik1212]

Well but still... I think Oda screwed big time when he made Kidd have a bigger bounty than Luffy. He took out 2 Shichibukai, invaded EL, defeated CP9, declared war on the WG... If Kidd did half of this shit, I'd bow down to him but I doubt he did something that outrageous.

Yeah but you have to take into account that while Kidd is a pirate who kills right and left and likes to brag about his power , Luffy isn't that type of guy , i mean he didn't even care that WG covered many of his doings like him being the one who took down Crocodile or Moria . that's why i think they gave Kidd a higher bounty but anyway that 300 mil Luffy had didn't exactly reflect his real threat lvl IMO .
The things will change from now on i'm sure , NW is a dangerous sea and if the SH's take down important pirates than i'm sure that will be reflected in their bounties.
As for the SN's bounties if you ask me i think none of them did much except they are merciless pirates and killed innocent people (even Law is a creepy guy though he helped Luffy he definitely has a plan ) unlike the SH's that's why i think their bounties can't be compared with Luffy's bounty.

[kkck]

I never quite got the impression law had any ulterior motives to help luffy, I do think he did it on a whim. IMO if there had been a particular reason for him to do that then odds are ivankov or jinbe would have had at least a mild suspicion of it.

Honestly though, I do think the supernova bounties in general were inflated to a great degree. Why else would pekoms, a haki user with a zoan fruit from big mom's crew, have a bounty similar to that of rookies which he can easily defeat? I think the bounties that the supernova had were meant to be long term, they were not meant to change for a long time except for some exceptional circumstances. Supernova bounties reflect their potential in general, their strength is only a minor thing when it is considered. the supernova were said to be many times during the manga the ones who will shape the future, the ones who will define the next piracy age. I think the world government acknowledged this thus their specific high bounties. Drake probably had his high bounty due to being a former marine though. He was familiar with the pacifista and probably has some other information about the government...

[Oni Giri]

with his damage to WG luffy's bounty should have been by far the highest but some of his outrageous actions were covered while kid's crimes were publicly known. and i remember jinbei saying something like "it's harder to increase your bounty after 300 mil."

[kkck]

jinbe said he thought luffy's bounty would increase but he did not expect it to reach 400 mil. He never said anything about how hard it is to increase his bounty after a particular point.

[Oni Giri]

well, i don't know if it's a mistranslation but here it is