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Chapter summary by zzhk from AS:
Not sure if I would call the "spoiler thread" the official thread...then again, I think the problem is having so many specific threads for so many things in the first place (why a whole thread just for spoilers? isn't that what the 123/124 prediction thread is for?)
Anyway, at least we can, supposedly, talk freely here.
And just to repeat myself, 'The Flying Mirage' should be Miria's new superhero name; start making those youtube-videos!
(*Is all too aware he's basically talking to himself)
This thread will be renamed soon to Claymore 124 Disc / 125 Pred Thread. There is spoiler policy on MH that you can't discuss the newest chapter without using spoiler tags (unless chapter is older than 24 hours) outside of threads such as these. Here we can discuss without spoiler tags the moment it's opened.
As for the chapter, I don't like it at all. Firstly, where are these deaths Deneve was talking about? At least some of them should be dead by now, especially since Hysteria declared she will kill everyone besides Nike. I also don't like when protagonists win by opponents going dumber. It's always much easier to make an opponent to do a stupid thing than the hero do a brilliant thing. I don't buy the explanation "Hysteria is too prideful to attack someone other than Miria", that's just silly. Helen should be dead by now, instead Hysteria keeps ignoring her. And the rest is left undisturbed too. What's more after all this time she still didn't cut all the threads that allow Miria to 'fly' (although this idea -Anastasia's super hair - is stupid as a whole but I'll ignore it).
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Miria keeping up with Hysteria also doesn't make any sense. There is no excuse "Hysteria is playing with Miria" now. Clearly Hysteria wants to catch and kill Miria but she can't. And the idea Yagi ended this chapter with (Miria becoming an arrow) is the most stupid of all. By the time they would pull the string Hysteria should have be where they were and cut it killing everyone. Well, I'll grant him that the idea in itself is interesting but it would make sense only if someone would occupy Hysteria. Instead, we're left to believe that whole group managed to perfectly coordinate in the midst of battle (which wouldn't be an easy thing, not only Cynthia needed to synchronize youki but also they had to synchronize the strength they were pulling the strings). But it turns out they could do all that faster than Hysteria could fly/run *sigh*.
Last edited by Goral; March 01, 2012 at 02:37 AM. Reason: Added some things
Mmm...it does suddenly seem silly that Hysteria is focusing solely on Miria when, just last chapter, she had Anastasia at death's door in deadly promise...it's that kind of manipulation that makes me think she's too smart to get herself into something stupid like what Miria has in mind.
By at any rate, she was focusing on all of them last chapter and now seemingly is focusing solely on Miria....yeah, that does seem a little strange when the other warriors seem to just be standing around in one spot this chapter, leaving themselves completely open.
I stand by what I said that, even if she is still vain, it's presumptious to say that, that also means she'd fall for something dumb like Miria's plan, when they are two completely different things (her smarts and her vanity)...still doesn't change though that her focusing only on Miria in this chapter is pretty dumb -___-.
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And Hysteria supposedly 'playing' with Miria seems pretty dumb too....by now, especially after, you know, getting killed by her...you'd think she would understand how much of a threat Miria is.
Hysteria seems to jump back and forth too much between being serious and playing around, like she can't make her up her mind....you might simply call that arrogance, but their comes a point where that's just stupidity and you are making obvious mistakes again and again...Miria is a threat, the other warriors are just standing there, it's silly to fight the other ZAOs, it's silly to be there in the first place....these are all things I believe Hysteria is smart enough to understand; for some reason, she's simply not doing them.
You may say it's simply her vanity at play, but again, it just seems to pop up sporadically at some points; I don't want to call it that, but some people may say it's merely convenience for the Ghosts and others...
And going back to 'The Flying Mirage"...It'll probably grow on me, but it just seems funny right now how truly superhero-ish Miria has been acting lately; you could say her carebear-tendencies have always been similar, but now she is doing poses and everything...paint a Superhero emblem over her symbol, and she's all ready XD
There is also the Dietrich (Dee) thing that makes this chapter silly. She was supposed to be seriously injured an yet she was strong enough to walk by herself and help with pulling an 'arrow'. And I'm not sure but it looks like Helen's range of stretching her limbs is overpowered.
The only part of this chapter I did like was Roxy vs. Cassie fight. I like Roxanne's ability, even tohugh as Ryus pointed out on AS it is a bit similar to Destroyer's. But it's a coll ability nonetheless and very difficult to avoid.
Ehh, mass shooting of projectiles is nothing new...I suppose though mass on this scale is definitely like Raciella - I definitely understand though that some people say this isn't necessarily representing her mimicry, and could just be a standard attack; after all, again, shooting lots of blasts like this is nothing new....hopefully though, as I said before, we'll see much creativity coming from her -- considering her potential and mimicry as a warrior, I'm hoping to see many unique abilities coming from her: much adaptability, like Isley.
Hysteria and Cassandra on the other hand don't have as much creativity and simply focus on pure performance in their respective categories: Strength for Cassie, Speed for Hysty. Cassie doesn't seemingly have many attacks but her raw power just tears at everything, whereas Hysteria now has wings and is fast enough to out manuever just about everything.
I hope it clears up things here. If you still have any question, feel free to PM me or any other Global / Admin.
I wonder though what will Roxanne do once she runs out of these projectiles. Hopefully she will have something else up her sleeve, otherwise it would be really disappointing. For now I still think she's the most powerful of the three but I guess we'll see. Anyway, I would prefer that Hysteria vs. Miria fight would end as soon as possible since I already see that the more it lasts the more stupid it becomes. So Yagi should just make Hysteria cut her limbs and wing off just to give a handicap to Miria (after all, he thinks that Hysteria being prideful is an excuse for every stupid thing Hysteria does) and die. That way we could return to more interesting things like the other fight that's going on a village and a half away from here or what MiB are doing or what's Raftela, the twins and other Claymores doing or (most of all) what's going on in Rabona. I'll repeat it till it happens - we need Clare back.
Last edited by Goral; March 01, 2012 at 03:02 AM. Reason: clarifying
Thanks for the clear-up - I'm new around here, go easy on me :P
What I'm hoping next to see from Hysteria is arms, once she has that, she'll truly be 'complete'; then again, it doesn't necessarily have to happen right here and now and can come later.
But I feel the same way Gooral...right now, I'm starting to feel this is just dragging on for too long; I expected their to be a scene-change to Claire or somebody in order to make tension, but I figured now it's not gonna happen because it would leave to much hanging in the air and Yagi perhaps wants to make way to give 100% focus on Claire and Priscilla when the time is right...
However, I'm starting to honestly not care anymore - whatever happens, I'm hoping that some sort of resolution happens to everything at Staff soon, whether naturally or just a scene-change or break inbetween, because I'm honestly getting tired....I want to see the Rabona Girls, especially Claire....just something else for a change.
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Ugh, this is essentially just a talk between you and me....we need more people >_<
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Glad other people are noted how silly Hysteria's single mindedness is. Pride or whatever shouldn't make her completely devoid of a brain. She seems to have no problem figuring out ways to transform her body in order to continuously maintain and evolve her use of speed. Yet for all her intelligence and battle savy it really feels like she's being set up to die or at least be severely injured n a really stupid way. Let's just pray that she doesn't get killed off too soon.
So as not to go back to the old topic
Your comment about Roxanne being able to kill off Cassandra easily at any time is alittle silly. The very concept of the Abyssal ones has to do with them all being of comparable power. If any one of them were so much stronger then the other that they could just 'kill' them then there wouldn't be much of a fight to begin with. It would much more similar to Priscella fighting Alicia and Beth, she played around but when she got serious for even a moment it was all over. Roxanne has struggled in this fight and taken her share of damage as has Cassandra.
Cass and Roxy are equals and for one of them to really win they're going to have to take some critical damage, just like when Isley took on Luciela. There's no easy win in Abyssal vs Abyssal, which is why it's so interesting for us reader's.
Comparable yes....comparable - Isley and Alicia were both stronger then Riful or Luciella despite all falling into the same category, plus their are other factors like Cassandra's mental state.....Roxanne hasn't lost any of her cleverness whereas Cassandra is now just a rampaging bull - even if their are minor differences in power, she should be able to squash Cassandra is she merely plays her cards right....unfortunately, she's too busy 'having fun' and that could very well be the thing that kills her.
Have to go to bed, will try to reply more tomorrow
Those points are moot
No Abyssal one has ever gone beast mode on one of their own, only Priscella has ever had that kind of power. Isley after fighting Luciella was almost dead himself, he didn't just 'toy around' because he couldn't and neither can Roxanne. Riful was already quite injured from the Abyssal feeders AND was fighting an awakened being specifically designed and honed for killing its own kind. Roxanne does not have the luxury of being custom made by human researcher's. both Isley and Riful had said it themselves, a fight between Abyssal ones is an uncertain thing, there is not clear winner every single time and everything shown to us so far support's the idea that battle between Abyssals' are a coin toss.
Cassandra isn't a raging bull AT ALL ^^ trashing talking alone proves that she knows what she's doing. Her personality did a 180 but that doesn't mean that she's some kind of rage driven retard. Beserker's tend to attack and attack and keep attacking without much regard for technique of defense. prime example: Clare attacking Priscella in a rage even while the destroyer was firing death rods all around them. She dodged only enough to save her life one time and took every other attack, she didn't use a single technique or skill she learned, no quick sword no wind cutter, just plain old swinging and Yoki release until she calmed down enough to try to awaken. THAT was raging bull aggression, Cass is in control,she's just being a b**ch.
Pooooorrrrr....... O_O Another chapter of transition. Waiting for a chapter....waiting for a mounth.....It's orrible to see too many transition chapters. Bla bla bla...words...words....nothing to see, a part the same scenes.
What the hell is this? Where is Priscilla? Why this battle is so long?
I can't see the pics.
Can someone help me???