A & 3rd Raikage vs Naruto & Minato

[Lemonadez]

Yeah... so I made a mistake regarding Bee because memory falsely told me he had his shroud on. Doesn`t matter though because Bee isn`t part of this threat and you can clearly see on those panels that Raikage`s head and throat is still protected by the armor, so no actual physical contact was made.

It actually matters because it shown that even with Raiton Armor, You can still be touch. As Rikodou King claim Minato cannot touch [A] because he has Raiton Armor on. When it was clearly visible there that [A] was touch by Bee without any chakra.

Even Oonoki can touch [A] -.- man are u all blind?
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/11 <- look Oonoki hands is inside the raiton armor lol
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/12 <- take a good look. Oonoki touching raikage body.

Remember Lightning > Earth. That Raiton armor should have harm Oonoki in the first place.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/13 <- Here clearly Oonoki is inside Raiton armor

[Rikudou King]

Now ur claiming chakra is tentacle?

WTH where does it say Biju are tentacles?

On several post you claim Biju are nothing but made of chakra. Now u coming up with this Tentacles....

Saying he cant be tag and cant be touch.

Fact Bee manage to touch A while his Raiton armor is up..... What do u want more from that proof.

What are you talking about? The Hachibi's tentacles is made of solid chakra.

And you really seem confused about what's being argued. Nothing was said about the Raikages not being physically touchable. What was said was Ee is fast enough to avoid being touched and even of they were, they can simply drop their cloak to get rid of the tags.

[LnDRash]

It actually matters because it shown that even with Raiton Armor, You can still be touch. As Rikodou King claim Minato cannot touch [A] because he has Raiton Armor on. When it was clearly visible there that [A] was touch by Bee without any chakra.

Nope, he didn`t touch Raikage, he just touched the armor, which is the whole point.

Even Oonoki can touch [A] -.- man are u all blind?
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/11 <- look Oonoki hands is inside the raiton armor lol
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/12 <- take a good look. Oonoki touching raikage body.

Remember Lightning > Earth. That Raiton armor should have harm Oonoki in the first place.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/13 <- Here clearly Oonoki is inside Raiton armor

As you can see Ooonoki is completely inside the armor, which only means Raikage has enough control over the chakra flow in the armor to extend it to other nearby people. Oonoki was just inside the armor because Raikage wanted him to be inside, and not because he pressed himself into it by force... thats so blatntly obvious that I don`t even know why you bring this up.

Also, claiming the armor would hurt Oonoki is the same nonsense as your claim Samehada would eat Kisame`s own water jutsus. Ninjas have control over their own weapons and techniques, so they can alter some techniques in specific ways they desire, which includes not hurting an ally.

For example if Shino engulfs you into his bugs, those bugs won`t cause any harm to you unless Shino wants it... Raiton Armor works the same way.

[xXan]

How can teleporting himself weaken or tire Yondaime when he effortlessy teleported a gigantic Bijuudama from a full-powered Kyuubi without even breaking a sweat?

He should get tired eventualy. It should take a very long time but it should happen eventualy. Minato teleported the Kyuubi that has what? 5000 times more mass then he does? So the number on teleporting numbers is good enough to not run out of them in this fight.

Minato teleports instantly, by the time Ee is running towards him (which is insanely fast) he is leaving himself open for an attack from Naruto or moreover Minato.

Assuming we believe Minato has Kunai everywhere, meaning on trees etc, he could simply teleport to one on a tree, Ee tries to follow through, Minato uses Hiraishin level 2 and feeds him a Rasengan to the brain.

Or Naruto could simply keep Raikage at bay, which he is more than capable of doing while Minato dances with Bee.

And your last anology is pretty bad, you cant ask someone to reenact something that is deemed possible in a Manga.

And about Bee and Raikage, there is Physical Contact

I sugest you read why you replay to. We where debating Raikage vs Minato and how his tactic would work. Its obvious Naruto solos this with his clones allone.

Minato can teleporting instantly but his problem is reacting to Raikage running to him. He only showed to react after Raikage had run METERS (7-10 or so) to him. So Minato teleports there and he could get owned before his brain can notice full speed Raikage moving his way.

As for Rasengan... It would bounce off LIKE NOTHING. Naruto used a SAGE MODE Rasengan to hit the 3'rd Raikage and that shield showed no real damage. And going from SM Rasengan to normal Rasenga is a good way. oh yes and the raiton armour is the same thing, the 3'ths special body had nothing to do with it.

And your last anology is pretty bad, you cant ask someone to reenact something that is deemed possible in a Manga.

You really lost me there... Like what is that? if you are refering to Raikage running to Minato and Minato reacting the diference in distance makes this irrelevant. If Minato is showed to react after Raikage runs some 10m to him then it stands to logic that he can't react if Raikage only has 5m to run to him (random numbers on the distance just to make a point).

PS. There was NO contact.

@huynhlan

I am starting to think you can wrap your mind around some stuff... My point from the beggining was not that Raikage can most defenetly hit Minato... Just the fact that his tactic would work to some extend to allow him to get a draw... I sugest you read the entire debate before posting nonsese.

To tag A he would have to get his hand trough that shield...

And again the evidence up to this point only show minato facing bee, so it's logcal to said that minato observe the biju dama from bee, unless you can provide evidence that show minato fought against another jin. If you can't then to bad because my logic actually have some evidence that allow me to come to that conclusion.

This is bad logic. The asumtion is on both parts. You and me... You can't posibly prove that Minato learned it from Bee as that would imply he never noticed any other biju's or read about the biju dama somewhere... You would need to provide evidence that Bee's bijudama is the only one he ever noticed and you can't do that... So again i can't prove that Minato ever noticed the bijudama anywhere for it to be fact on my part and you can't prove that Bee is the only one and thus is not fact on your part... Try to keep up, its asumtion on both parts.

About minato tossing his kunai, how the hell would A be able to notice it, all minato did was lift his hand up a few inches here not a few feet, plus he was so focus on minato's face it's normal for him to not notice it, it's not like he have the sharigan or something, he was moving at the speed of lightning for god sake.
Dude you can't throw a knife with two finger alone, there will be movement in you hand, here why don't you try it, tie you whole arm and hand to your body, leaving two of your finger untie and try tossing that knife with only your finger no hand movement what so ever and tell me how easy is that. It's possible to do if you are holding the knife between you index and middle finger, but in minato case he was holding it with all of his finger. so how is that possible.

He lifted his hand in both scenarios. The point is that letting go of it is way less obvious then trowing it. Minato lifted his hand, Raikage got in close and when he teleported out of the way he let go of the kunai. That is the most logical scenario.
Raikage was defenetly not focusing on Minato's face. No real figter does that.. You would have to be a MORON for that. When you fight someone you take his entire body as a sphere so you can notice his legs, arms and so on. This is from real life marcial arts.
Raikage was also not traveling at the speed of light ... What are you talking about?
Anybody can trow a knife with 2 fingers as long as they are not impaired somhow. Just hold the knife with 2 finger and then trow it up.. Its perfecly posible as long as you are not using something really havy... Now consider the fact that there are nins from a manga that have insane stg.
Also how he was holding the knife last time we noticed him its irrelevant. He could change his possition on the kunai at any time.

[jaymizzo]

xXan

I sugest you read why you replay to. We where debating Raikage vs Minato and how his tactic would work. Its obvious Naruto solos this with his clones allone.

I know what your debating, and i told said why Raikages tactic of guessing where Minato is going to teleport isnt going to work. Like i said, Instant movement > Fast movement. At the first sign of danger Minato can simply teleport to any tag he wants.

Minato can teleporting instantly but his problem is reacting to Raikage running to him. He only showed to react after Raikage had run METERS (7-10 or so) to him. So Minato teleports there and he could get owned before his brain can notice full speed Raikage moving his way.

No, the only reason Raikage was able to do what he did was because he was A) at full speed and B) Surprised Minato with his insane speed. Had Minato known how fast the Raikage was, he would have kept a greater distance.

As for Rasengan... It would bounce off LIKE NOTHING. Naruto used a SAGE MODE Rasengan to hit the 3'rd Raikage and that shield showed no real damage. And going from SM Rasengan to normal Rasenga is a good way. oh yes and the raiton armour is the same thing, the 3'ths special body had nothing to do with it.

When Did Naruto use an SM Rasengan on the Raikage? Im actually curious as to when this happened. If its when he was using it to redirect his own attack, look at the size of it, and think what it was meant for. We have seen how the Rasengan works, it rarely makes contact with the body.

ohh and at your other post, You told someone to go to theyre kitchen and get a knife and try throwing it with theyre finger. Which was in contrast to what you were trying to say about Minato.

[xXan]

@jaymizzo

Emm you where not "up" with what we where debating or you would not have used Naruto in whatever you stated there.

I know what your debating, and i told said why Raikages tactic of guessing where Minato is going to teleport isnt going to work. Like i said, Instant movement > Fast movement. At the first sign of danger Minato can simply teleport to any tag he wants.

Invalid. The act of teleportation is instant, the act of noticing Raikage, noticing the danger(like the neurons in his brain exchanging information) and knowing he has to teleport and then the act itself of activating teleportation is not instant. In that time Raikage can act. Again Minato needed some 10m distance from Raikage for his brain to be able to register the attack and move out of the way. Given this fact a distance of 5m would not be enough to move out of the way.

No, the only reason Raikage was able to do what he did was because he was A) at full speed and B) Surprised Minato with his insane speed. Had Minato known how fast the Raikage was, he would have kept a greater distance.

Invalid. This happened 2 x times vs Minato(not once and the second time it was not a surprise) and another time vs Naruto where Naruto replicated his father feat of speed, it was like Minato doing it all over again to prove himself to Raikage.

The a) part is complety irrelevant...

When Did Naruto use an SM Rasengan on the Raikage? Im actually curious as to when this happened. If its when he was using it to redirect his own attack, look at the size of it, and think what it was meant for. We have seen how the Rasengan works, it rarely makes contact with the body.

It was the 3'th Raikage yes. That was a normal size rasengan but empowered by senjutsu chakra... That means Minato's rasengan with normal chakra has nothing on this rasengan... So in other words he is probably going to have to ram a good numbers of them in the same spot before Raikage can reinforce his shield or act and that is not possible.

ohh and at your other post, You told someone to go to theyre kitchen and get a knife and try throwing it with theyre finger. Which was in contrast to what you were trying to say about Minato.

I don't understand what is that i am supposed to get here? Anyway i stated that a normal human can trow a kunai up with 2 fingers half a meter in distance, its about what a normal human can do. Again i don't understand what you wanted to state here.

[jdw]

I am not sure why the retarded tactic of Raikage randomly running to kunai keeps rearing its ugly head. The tactic is doomed to failure because Raikage has to keep guessing where Minato will go, if he goes anywhere at all, and Minato can hirashin from a location to another and back before Raikage can even move a few inches. If you guys want to come up with something else, fine, but fail is fail.

[xXan]

I am not sure why the retarded tactic of Raikage randomly running to kunai keeps rearing its ugly head. The tactic is doomed to failure because Raikage has to keep guessing where Minato will go, if he goes anywhere at all, and Minato can hirashin from a location to another and back before Raikage can even move a few inches. If you guys want to come up with something else, fine, but fail is fail.

Sure it is retarted to Minato fans that whant to see him as a GOD. On the other hand for some other people it makes perfect sense.

Keeping his shield and reaction times up he can look around and see where Minato is poping before Minato even knows he teleported there (biological limitation of his brain).
Now for the last time. Minato can react to Raikage running his way ONLY AFTER SOME 10 METERS. So if he teleports to a kunai 3 meters from Raikage HE IS DEAD before he can teleport again as his brain is not fast enough to react to Raikage running his way at max speed from that distance... But then again the point was not even about Raikage killing Minato with that tactic but Raikage using that tactic efficiently to some extent to keep up with Minato to get a draw... Something that is more then logical.

[jdw]

His reaction time is clearly faster than that considering he was able to warp away and back befor Raikage could even move a few inches. Raikage had not traveled 10 meters when Minato was gong to stab his spine. You are looking at one example of reaction and not the other, more impressive example which shows definitively his reaction time with respect to Raikage's max speed.

[xXan]

His reaction time is clearly faster than that considering he was able to warp away and back befor Raikage could even move a few inches. Raikage had not traveled 10 meters when Minato was gong to stab his spine. You are looking at one example of reaction and not the other, more impressive example which shows definitively his reaction time with respect to Raikage's max speed.

That is because Raikage stoped or lowered his movement speed by a good margine after Minato teleported out of his face. Bee had the posibility to grow some 10m of tentacles before Minato was able to swing down.... Its obvious that if Raikage moving at max speed and at some 10m distance from Bee then Bee can't posibile move his tentacle faster then Raikage's max speed AND covered a lead of 10m that Raikage had... Its just not posible if Raikage had not stoped.

So this would be irrelevant as this is NOT Minato reaction to Raikage moving at max speed....

Of course it could be version B where Bee's tentacles are WAY, WAY faster then Raikage's fastest attack and even faster then Minato with his ST included but that is just bullshit.

We have Minato teleporting from 1 cm or so when Raikage made his first charge.
We have Minato again teleporting from 5 cm or so when Raikage made his second charge.
We have Naruto replicating his old man's feat of speed teleporting out of the way when Raikage charged with his full speed at the same distance (like father like son). So its like we have 3 examples of this speed and Minato teleporting out of the way after the same distance.

[Lemonadez]

@xXan how did you come up with this distance length?

do you even know how close is cm? (Centimeter)....look at ruler and look at the inches and centimeter length. LOL

[Rikudou King]

I am not sure why the retarded tactic of Raikage randomly running to kunai keeps rearing its ugly head. The tactic is doomed to failure because Raikage has to keep guessing where Minato will go, if he goes anywhere at all, and Minato can hirashin from a location to another and back before Raikage can even move a few inches. If you guys want to come up with something else, fine, but fail is fail.

How is it doomed to failure? Ee only has to worry about and keep watch of the tags near him, since those are the only ones in range of him and usable for Minato to attack him from. And with his cloak, Ee can allow himself to take a hit to achieve his own hit.

[xXan]

@xXan how did you come up with this distance length?

do you even know how close is cm? (Centimeter)....look at ruler and look at the inches and centimeter length. LOL

By using your eyes. Of course some aproximation is used but its more then reasonable.