Bleach 482 Discussion

[Schabrak]

We've seen multiple vastrolordes in the end they turned out to be very much overhyped.

This again, Kubo mentioned them being VL, but not on which level, just as the SS captains aren't equal at all. And overrated? They had to go 2+ vs every single one of them and lost due to some "tricks". If everyone of the Espada would be like Stark or Ulquiorra, the war would most probably ended differently.

edit: Stark represented a wolf/coyote, Halibel a shark, true VL shouldn't have any kind of animal theme Imo.

[apainlessend]

This again, Kubo mentioned them being VL, but not on which level, just as the SS captains aren't equal at all. And overrated? They had to go 2+ vs every single one of them and lost due to some "tricks". If everyone of the Espada would be like Stark or Ulquiorra, the war would most probably ended differently.

Sorry but he trolled us with the Espada...

1st Hallibel, Was Handling BUISNESS, with multiple captains, and WINNING...
2nd: Stark got done super dirty....another character who handled business in scenarios in which the captains and Vizards he fought should have been LONG DEAD...
Shall I continue?

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I thought the fullbring arc was boring. But now, I realize that there are so many variables introduced into the equation that there are some really interesting possibilities that can make for a rich and complex character development.

That was an ENTIRE YEAR of our lives thrown away for what seems to be NO REASON.

[mattiaildivino]

Yeah. Who said he is weaker than his former self just because he has only one arm?

as Razh said,he can't do Kendo with just an arm. also,how can he be as strong as he was with 2 arms. he can't hit more than one emey ecc. furthermore,I think Kubo said that in the last databook,about which we have talked about in the previous discussion

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The only faction able to challenge the soul society are the vastolordes, not even Aizen go trough the soul society to challege gotei 13, maybe because the zero squad, theyre vastolordes thats the reasson that hollow/ quincy ofendes when ichigo call him arrancar, if the manga are going to end we need to see the vastolordes

Lol,are you kidding? not just kubo,but the manga too has stated the strongest espada were VLs,and that Aizen expected them to be stronger.and now you are modifying the manga?saying the 0th squad members are VLs? they are shinigami! in Pendoloum arc we saw that the previous captain of 12th division became a member of it.Kubo doesn't care about your objections...

[Schabrak]

That was an ENTIRE YEAR of our lives thrown away for what seems to be NO REASON.

Tip: Get a life. If spending 10 minutes a week on a manga has wasted your whole past year, than I honestly have pity for you. Conclusion: Don't exaggerate so much and think rational.

We've finally been told about the origin of the non-Shinigami/Quincy powers and it seems like Ichigo got a reconciliation with the SS out of the whole Ginjo and substitute Shinigami affair [New stauts quo?]. While I didn't like the pacing and other stuff[like many unanswered questions], it was not a waste of time Imo. It's up to Kubo to reveal what happned since Ichigo stood before the Yamamoto.

[mattiaildivino]

Tip: Get a life. If spending 10 minutes a week on a manga has wasted your whole past year, than I honestly have pity for you. Conclusion: Don't exaggerate so much and think rational.

there's a reason if that dude's name is "a pain less end"

[ca12nag3]

This again, Kubo mentioned them being VL, but not on which level, just as the SS captains aren't equal at all. And overrated? They had to go 2+ vs every single one of them and lost due to some "tricks". If everyone of the Espada would be like Stark or Ulquiorra, the war would most probably ended differently.

I agree, actually the only one who got totaled and actually had a 2nd transformation was Ulquiorra. Ichigo beat him be it in a insane state 1v1. As for the others they were done in because of being outnumbered.
Its true that Aizen expected more of them but still they held their ground for a while even when outnumbered. Also Harribel was fine up until Aizen got bored with it and offed her (not since shes still alive acording to the factbook)

I do hope we get to see the Arrancar again and not just these Quicy masked guys .

[Asmodan]

That was an ENTIRE YEAR of our lives thrown away for what seems to be NO REASON.

We found out where Chad and Inoue's power come from.
We saw Ichigo get his power back, with an upgrade (to which extent we dont know yet)
We saw a change in SS and the people that run it.
We saw a lead in to Isshin's past events.
We now have an explanation to Ichigos's shinigami powers and bankai ....... the ability to wear it as a mantle and expel it.
We have seen Ichigo's sister stepping up and taking the role of shinigami.
We have seen the plausibility of blending different factions other than just hollow and shinigami.
We saw what the representative badge is actually for.
We saw the SS tolerance of Urahara lifted and the acceptance of the former captains reinstated.
We saw Ichigo kill a man..... not a hollow, a living human being.
And we saw Ichigo cry....... for the first time since he was a little boy. (This is a major point, even if missed, because it showed what truly matters to the protagonist)
This list goes on and on....

For all the whining and moaning of certain people, the last arc was actually important and was a good lead into the next stretch of story. I for one thought it was nice to get away from the norm just for a little while and explore other aspects of this world. A world that has been written and drawn by one man for the better part of a decade. Perhaps the last year of your life would have been better spent writing and drawing a better manga than Bleach by yourself, instead of creating unrealistic expectations only to be disappointed on a weekly basis and accusing the poor man of wasting your ever so important time. Just enjoy the ride man.

And now my predictions............... I dont have any predictions, just more questions, it's like I'm watching "Lost" again. When Ichigo said "you have business with me" to Ivan, he's response was pretty telling "You? dont be so arrogant". I think that he was there to talk to Ishida. It would make sense. It would also make sense that his father knew this was coming, which is why he made Ishida promise that he would have nothing to do with the shinigami.

It occurs to me that if you had a bow that huge, it would be very difficult to see your target..... maybe thats what the eye piece is for.

On a side prediction note, Old man Yama isn't going to have any trouble with the intruders, sure he only has one arm but..... look at the pictures of them,.... none of them have any arms!!!!!

[tret16]

i agree, i like the arc because it gave quite a few answers. also when it comes to Yamamoto and his arm. It's not that he has too much pride to be healed be a human like Orohime. It's more like he has too much pride of thinking about the old way's. You wear your wounds with honor and the choices you make in life should have a permanent impact on your life. Not some bail out of a wrong choice. It's like when a 15 year old or somethin has a child. That child has to lived with the decision she has made, not just say "oops i made the wrong choice but i'll just have a do over..." it doesn't work that way. I like that Yama kept his wound from fighting Aizen. Show's that he didn't regret his choices and isn't second guessing himself.

[Schabrak]

none of them have any arms!!!!!

XD that's quiet true, do they have people to dress them up or how could they close those overcoats? I wonder if they are protecting themself somehow, maybe those suits/ponchos hide their reiatsu,... maybe he just styliized those into something wearable.^^

And of course they had to be seven, the tall one in the back for Zaraki?

[Kshunsui]

We've seen multiple vastrolordes in the end they turned out to be very much overhyped.

The only ex vastolo0rde was halibel and that was just in the anime, hitsugaya speculates that the Soul Society "would be doomed" if their enemy Sōsuke Aizen gets at least ten Vasto Lordes, ulquiorra, grimjow and even stark were arrancares not vastolordes

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as Razh said,he can't do Kendo with just an arm. also,how can he be as strong as he was with 2 arms. he can't hit more than one emey ecc. furthermore,I think Kubo said that in the last databook,about which we have talked about in the previous discussion

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Lol,are you kidding? not just kubo,but the manga too has stated the strongest espada were VLs,and that Aizen expected them to be stronger.and now you are modifying the manga?saying the 0th squad members are VLs? they are shinigami! in Pendoloum arc we saw that the previous captain of 12th division became a member of it.Kubo doesn't care about your objections...

the only know vastolorde was halibel, and that was in the anime she was a former vastolorde, ulquiorra and stark were arrancares

[Schabrak]

You mean Adjuchas as every transformed hollow was an Arrancar. Also, don't trust the anime, it's not canon, especially in filler scenes within real canon story lines.

I think someone posted about the top 4 being VL, not so sure anymore, but Ulquiorra was definitely in their power range Imo.

[apainlessend]

This Arc will be all about Ichigos mom ressurected as queen of hueco mundo
I dont care if iit explained his powers....iit wasnt a GOOD explanation....It was pulled out of a hate the same as this entire fullbring arc...

IT was like reading a FILLER.
The writing, plot threads etc have gotten soooo terrible that I bet this guy wiho looks like a quincy is a BOUNT

[Jorge D. Dragon]

In the last Databook it was stated that Yammi, Starrk, Barragan, Harribel and Ulquiorra were Vasto Lords. I don't remember for sure, but Bleach Mods might correct me, but if I'm not mistaken Nnoitora was also Vasto Lord.

About those new freacks... It would be interesting to see them fighting Shinigami and Vaizards. The thing is they are Arrancars, but as we know Arrancars release their Hollow powers and these ex-Quincy release their bows (like Shinigami's Zanpaktou) and thus increase their Quincy powers with maybe Hollow powers. Hope we'll see some talk between this new Quincy-Arrancar guy and Ichi. Also hope to see Ishida in this talk

[Quantized]

In the last Databook it was stated that Yammi, Starrk, Barragan, Harribel and Ulquiorra were Vasto Lords. I don't remember for sure, but Bleach Mods might correct me, but if I'm not mistaken Nnoitora was also Vasto Lord.

About those new freacks... It would be interesting to see them fighting Shinigami and Vaizards. The thing is they are Arrancars, but as we know Arrancars release their Hollow powers and these ex-Quincy release their bows (like Shinigami's Zanpaktou) and thus increase their Quincy powers with maybe Hollow powers. Hope we'll see some talk between this new Quincy-Arrancar guy and Ichi. Also hope to see Ishida in this talk

If they truly were Vastro Lords, then we have to think about it in a new way, imho.
I can't help but to also speculate about it...

Look at the Lieutenants of Gotei 13, are they all equally strong? For example, Urahara wasn't even a Lieutenant as far as I recall, but a third tank, yet he was very much cable of being a captain, many would say he's far stronger than most of the captains (speculation).
So, among the captains themselves, we also have weak and strong candidates, such as a captain like Yama for example, vs. a captain like Sajin Komamura.
The power difference seems absolutely huge, yet they're both captain class.
One could say that Komanura amounts to one captain class, and Yama is at the very least 2x captain class, possibly 3-4x.

So could the same be said about the Vastro Lords? Is the difference among them absolutely mental like above?
One can only guess, but it's likely. Also it was said that the general average Vastro lord is stronger than the general average captain.

That leads to another speculation. What if strong arrancarfied Adjucas combined with weak arrancarfied Vastro Lords was all Aizen really had control over?

Roughly put:
Weak people = Needs a leader
Strong people = their own leader

Which is generally true in Bleach as well, although people like for example Kenpachi did choose Gotei 13 out of benefits, he's still lives with the mentality of a strong person.

What this leads me to believe is that Aizen only managed to gain control on arrancarfied strong Adjucas and weak arrancarfied Vastro Lords.
The real thing, something at the strength of old man Yama + Arrancarfied (does one even dare to imagine that?) did possibly just give Aizen the finger, honestly, who would want to follow Aizen unless you're weak or forced?

Yet another possibility is Hollows / Arrancars from hell, true evil villains? Ftw!
These could be Yama/Ichigo class heavy weight fighters, but with the little slight detail... highly trained Arrancars cable of bankai.
Ichigo (possibly still needs to learn his shikai/bankai version of hollow, his resurrection forms).

Are the Arrancars still out of this arc or might be explained next chapter? It's still a possibility I think, it seems like Kubo is playing around with us lately, tbh
We'll see This new guy seems more like a fighter type than the talkative type, unfortunately

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Me. At the very least, he can't do Kendo with only one arm

Don't know what the deal is with that. Soifon managed to heal her arm. Maybe Yamamoto sacrificed the soul of his arm or something like that when he was using that Kido, which is why SS methods don't work. Still, I don't see why Orihime's powers couldn't do it. Perhaps the old bastard is just too proud to receive help from someone like Orihime.

Or, like union said, he's so hardcore that he doesn't treat his scars or wounds with special powers.

Someone once mentioned that it's likely due to when someone's reatsu is much higher than her own, then she has a hard time controlling her abilities.
Seems pretty legit, for example the time Ichigo died, she had a hard time removing the reatsu that killed him.
Imagine her heal Yama? O.o
Sorry if this was mentioned already, but her abilities are not magic even if Aizen called them God like powers, it's still a reatsu based ability.

We've seen multiple vastrolordes in the end they turned out to be very much overhyped.

Still the possibility that we only saw weak Vastro Lords (If they even were, and not just strong Adjucas).
Let me ask you, who would follow Aizen? Honestly? If a monster strong self Arrancarfied Vastro Lords saw Aizen, I'd imagine they only stared evil at him and ignored him.
Something along the lines of giving him the finger.
Was Aizens collection weak? Yes. Was the reason to hype the Vastro Lords wrong? No.
They do possibly exist, we just haven't seen them yet.
It was Aizen who was overhyped in his ability of gathering strong allies, he only found weak ones, imho.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Yes, I think it was quite obvious that Captains and Vasto Lords aren't equal among their own ranks. It was always shown that among Gotei Captains there are tiers, thus I believe we will see stronger Vasto Lords who might also become natural Arrancars. I can see them as future enemies (at least as one of the groups), but I don't think that we will see many of them who exceeds Ukitake's or Kyoraku's level. There are not that many Captains, even if we take in account Isshin, Urahara, Yoruichi and Tessai with the help of Vaizards who are left in the Real World, thus it would be difficult to have many opponents who can take the likes of Komamura, Soi Fong and Mayuri. Even though the big tanks like Ichi and Yama will fight together, it would be difficult to protect everyone, especially as we know the "gooddies" have to much of a deadweights like Ishida, Chad, Inoue, Rukia and tons of others who will be trashed in a blink of an eye by the enemy who is at least of a low-level Captain.