Fairy Tail 272 Discussion

[Shiro Tsuki]

Meh! :/
You kinda get pissed off! Obviously, he is making us hate RT - and its kinda working on me!
The whole crowd booing Lucy seems almost confusing...
I mean - She dominated the fight - Had some tough punches on her opponent - (who btw was shaking with fear at some point)
They don't seem to understand anything about magic - Bunch of mindless trolls!

It is actually groundbreaking to have 'The Lucy' lose - She almost relied on her own powers -
Alas - That just didn't make it...
But I doubt FT will suffer more losses...

[matzik1212]

Come to think of it your right it is odd that none of the other contestants noticed anything....I mean at the very least you'd figure the DS's from Sabertooth would. Then again we have no idea exactly what Obra did. Maybe FT figured it was RT just because from their point of view its clearly obvious they're out to humiliate them. I hope that Raven Tail will play a part in another story in the future to though. Wouldn't want their role to just stop at playing dirty in the tournament. All this taunting by the crowd reminds me of the Dark Tournament.

Well seeing this chapter has made me think that in the end RT were just overrated characters that mainly rely on cheap tricks to advance further and nothing more. Only freaks . I just can't wait to see them defeated.

We still couldn't see the reaction of Blue Pegasus and the other guilds , i'm really curious to see if indeed only FT noticed there was outside assistance.

[masgrande]

The people from the future are @$$h0le$.

Raven tail really made me mad this chapter, I really hope they get last place in the tournament!!!

[Uranometria]

Ppl does read manga backwords....the reason lucy learned uranometria is because of gemini. Gemini can copy persons abilities and thoughts sooo while lucy forgot gemini would remember and also the reason she used gemini to perform the attack is because uranometria requires alot of magic power and even with lucy's power up it wouldnt work so basically gemini turned into lucy which gave gemini lucy's power up as well makiing it enough for the spell. Think of it as a unison raid.

[Raicrune]

Its amazing how Mashima trolled us with "noble loser" thinkin she would surrender which was about to happen but wasnt over yet and made her lose by letting RT cheat so that we can hate RT even more. Nice Mashima Nice.

Its kind of sad Mavis the first fairy tail master didnt even notice flare's hair right behind her. Even Makarov was near but oh well even Natsu would not know if he didnt hear Lucy.

[Quantized]

LOVED the chapter, but where is the justifying of interference from outside the match?
I seriously hope we'll see something about it, minimum 2 panels from the judges or something similar, can't be too much to ask for.

I need a good reason for why Raven Tail won through unfair play and didn't get disqualified. Natsu's words pretty much made it almost sure that they won't get disqualified or give Fairy Tail the victor next chapter, so hopefully, no troll next chapter! This has to be justified, or it's a troll.

I aint gonna fall for that kind of story development without such an important writing detail, if I have to fully emotionally let me flow with Fairy Tail and cheer on them, then I want a damn good reason why they didn't win through Raven Tails unfair play.

[OtakuModeEngage]

Wow, lol, talk about one track mind, everyone is only concerned about how Lucy lost. Well at any rate, putting up runes to block outside magic would not work, because runes use magic too, so they would just be absorbed or negated or whatever. Some of you mentioned that Lucy should learn to control how much magic she uses, but we don't know that the spell Lucy used would have normally even consumed all her power; after all, it was stopped by absorption guy, so its not far fetched to say he took the rest of her power in the process. Many of you say Fairy Tail will be the underdog that unexpectedly makes it to the top, but with absorption guy around, they can't even fight. Remember, all their attacks use magic, so there's no way they stand a chance at winning unless they can deal with him. Also, I think the more pivotal scene was not the Lucy cheat scandal, but when Zeruff was brought into view, I can't help but to wonder how he is a part of this 'dark magic' behind the tournament, and uncover what his insidious plot is.

[Kuzumikun]

What i think is going on with the crowd (including Fairy Tail audience) and the rest of the contenders is some type of magic that eliminates the exposure of showing any cheating, helping, etc. Also seeing how Mavis and Makarov didn't notice the hair until Natsu pointed it out. But the only thing that contradicts this is that Yajima noticed something, and so did the Fairy Tail audiece so idk lol.

[liductan]

Well,it's seems like most people are falling to hate RT, I find them mostly annoying..I wish to know their reasons for wanting to humiliate Ft so much, I don't see a point. I think they are a good plot source to help FT, become stronger in the future fights. I am not surprised that Lucy lost, it makes sense..I'm not a big lucy fan,but I have to say for the first time she didn't disappoint me at all.

[Quantized]

Wow, lol, talk about one track mind, everyone is only concerned about how Lucy lost. Well at any rate, putting up runes to block outside magic would not work, because runes use magic too, so they would just be absorbed or negated or whatever. Some of you mentioned that Lucy should learn to control how much magic she uses, but we don't know that the spell Lucy used would have normally even consumed all her power; after all, it was stopped by absorption guy, so its not far fetched to say he took the rest of her power in the process. Many of you say Fairy Tail will be the underdog that unexpectedly makes it to the top, but with absorption guy around, they can't even fight. Remember, all their attacks use magic, so there's no way they stand a chance at winning unless they can deal with him. Also, I think the more pivotal scene was not the Lucy cheat scandal, but when Zeruff was brought into view, I can't help but to wonder how he is a part of this 'dark magic' behind the tournament, and uncover what his insidious plot is.

It's far from unexpected that they will reach the top though..
A) It's a shounen, they will prevail, somehow!
B) Trend of the manga, they always make it despite of how gloomy it looks without a solid explanation (only bad part about Fairy Tail, imho though).
C) Natsu foreshadowed it, if they still loose after this build up, it would be mental wrong and kill off a lot of readers, to be blunt.
D: The story has it's focus on Fairy Tail, it would be pointless to tell/talk about this story if it didn't end good. Regardless of it being real story or not, you only tell good stories (of these types), of which will end good.

Think it's pretty sure that they will win in the end, no surprises, imho we already know for certain that they will ^_^
Although the last arc had constructive opportunities for Fairy Tail to loose, and they would have to fight their way back up, however it's different in this tournament.
If they loose this tournament, not only will it be a waste of time for the readers point of view, (loosing a real fight is much more interesting to say the least), but the rest of the world will pretty much look down on them for a long time to come, and they would have real difficulties to prove themselves, (boring plot development).

In the previous arc some of us had hoped for more intelligent story development, but as said in point B above, the manga simply sometimes just don't come with solid explanations to why things goes they way they do.
If emotions can rapidly increase ones chances to win, it should be solid fact, or it leaves many readers in doubt, uncertainty and annoyed.

So now, I think we're all prepared after all this, we won't be surprised by how it turns out in the end, I really doubt that.
Last arc caught many off guard, but it won't happen again.
As for why Lucy lost is such a big discussion... well it's kinda the same thing that was disliked about the last arc, and point B mentioned above.. Where is the explanations?
We, the readers, are left in the shadow pondering while the story just moves on, leaving the reader behind pondering over what the heck happened

[OtakuModeEngage]

It's far from unexpected that they will reach the top though..
A) It's a shounen, they will prevail, somehow!
B) Trend of the manga, they always make it despite of how gloomy it looks without a solid explanation (only bad part about Fairy Tail, imho though).
C) Natsu foreshadowed it, if they still loose after this build up, it would be mental wrong and kill off a lot of readers, to be blunt.
D: The story has it's focus on Fairy Tail, it would be pointless to tell/talk about this story if it didn't end good. Regardless of it being real story or not, you only tell good stories (of these types), of which will end good.

Think it's pretty sure that they will win in the end, no surprises, imho we already know for certain that they will ^_^
Although the last arc had constructive opportunities for Fairy Tail to loose, and they would have to fight their way back up, however it's different in this tournament.
If they loose this tournament, not only will it be a waste of time for the readers point of view, (loosing a real fight is much more interesting to say the least), but the rest of the world will pretty much look down on them for a long time to come, and they would have real difficulties to prove themselves, (boring plot development).

In the previous arc some of us had hoped for more intelligent story development, but as said in point B above, the manga simply sometimes just don't come with solid explanations to why things goes they way they do.
If emotions can rapidly increase ones chances to win, it should be solid fact, or it leaves many readers in doubt, uncertainty and annoyed.

So now, I think we're all prepared after all this, we won't be surprised by how it turns out in the end, I really doubt that.
Last arc caught many off guard, but it won't happen again.
As for why Lucy lost is such a big discussion... well it's kinda the same thing that was disliked about the last arc, and point B mentioned above.. Where is the explanations?
We, the readers, are left in the shadow pondering while the story just moves on, leaving the reader behind pondering over what the heck happened

Not necessarily; they don't always win in Shonen. Sometimes they lose because it's either important to get stronger from the loss, its later revealed to be something they shouldn't actually win, or some kind of plot twist will result from their loss. I do however agree with the statement that they will find a way (if the mangaka so intends), after all, I did not state victory is impossible from them, I was merely predicting that to obtain it they would 'have to deal with absorption guy first.' Furthermore, I simply don't believe winning this tournament is as important as you're all making it out to be; you're missing the bigger picture. In fact, the tournament may even be interrupted or cancelled due to the dark ploy that is behind its existence. What is the real reason for the tournament, and why does Zeruff have something to do with it, why does dark magic surround it, is winning the tournament even a good thing? These are questions that should be asked due to their foreshadowing, but the Mangaka was able to keep you locked on Lucy and the tournament, this is a plot device to make it so that when the truth is exposed you remain shocked regardless of the foreshadowing.

[Kisame Hoshigaki]

is anyone else itching to see sabertooth in action this week? one of those two dragon slayer guys versus laxus or gajeel or jura from lamia scale

i definitely want to see some type of epic battle between powerful mages that DOESNT involve cheating ass raven tail this week

one thing is for sure, this magic tourmanent arc is shaping up to be pretty damn badass

[OtakuModeEngage]

is anyone else itching to see sabertooth in action this week? one of those two dragon slayer guys versus laxus or gajeel or jura from lamia scale

i definitely want to see some type of epic battle between powerful mages that DOESNT involve cheating ass raven tail this week

one thing is for sure, this magic tourmanent arc is shaping up to be pretty damn badass

Actually, I'm rather curious as to whether Natsu is even on their level or not. I mean, he was given some of Laxus's power, but it seems to have weakened and I wonder if it will run out all together, or if it already has? It pisses me off that the slayed their parent dragons though...

[Marche]

I will not comment in detail, because before I want to read chapter 273, but for now I think that the chapter sucks (in fact I am the one who voted bad in the poll).

In the truth only the end sucks, I really liked the beginning of it, but what happened at the end ruined everything.

To tell the truth is not even the fact that Raven Tail cheated that ruined everything, what really sucks is what happened to Flare's characters.

In fact at the beginning (at the beginning of the fight) she was like this http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/270/4 http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/270/24, but at the end of the fight she was so http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/272/12 http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/272/14 http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/272/15.
She has become really pathetic.

In fact I would accepted (also if whit some difficult) also if the Raven Tail cheated if only Flare tried to stop Lucy's attack, instead she was so frightened that she could not even move, she was petrified with fear, she has made **** in her pants.
And the fact that she was humiliated by Lucy has worsened it.
Because also if I was sure that Lucy would have obtained the most power up together to Natsu, this is too much, also because she did not even used Leon and Acquarius (but for Acquarius is a natural thing, there was not water there).

[Krono]

Speaking of black lightning... He's not gonna be the Lightning God Slayer, is he?

That would be my first guess based on the title.

Several days is a short amount of time in the grand scheme of things. It was supposed to be a high-level spell, someone like Lucy shouldn't be able to master a spell like that in a few days. She definitely shouldn'tve had enough time to complete it in the current arc. A short few months would seem a bit much to me but I guess I could see it....but almost all of the 3 months in which she could've trained was lost when they went to the Stellar Spirit World. Which means she would've been able to do it last arc if she had learned it, which makes me wonder why she didn't seeing as FT was almost screwed alot of times in that arc. If Lucy at any point grew so much she could use Uranometoria by herself, Mashima should've wrote about it.

Not using it last arc does not mean she could not have begun learning it until after the arc. She could have memorized the chant even before Edoras, and easily memorized it before Tenrou Island. She could easily have been practicing casting it before Tenrou Island, but unable to properly pull it off even with Gemini's help until after Ultear's power up. Or one of multiple other scenarios. The bottom line is that "She didn't use it on Tenrou Island" just means she couldn't use it effectively then. It does not mean "She couldn't have so much as learned the name of the spell until after Ultear powered everyone up."

Srsly Mavis, Makarov and the rest of the guild are there but no one notices her hair, except Natsu. Wasn't his trait good nose instead of ear? Or am I mixing it up with Toriko? Not important anyway, just disappointed at the rest of the guild. I understand Mashima intended to make us hate RT, but this scenario made me look down on Mavis and Makarov (once again). Could have been written better/differently I think. Starting with the RT girls magic power.

You're mixing things up with Toriko a bit. Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy all have better than normal senses of smell, and hearing that seems different than normal as well. For example, back in the Phantom Lord arc, Natsu was the only one to overhear the comment about Lucy being captured in the middle of Fairy Tail retreating from the Phantom Lord base.

As for Mavis and Makarov, the hair would have been blocked by Asuka from their line of sight. The rest likewise would not have had it in their line of sight. They would have seen it if they looked down at Asuka, but their attention, like hers was fixated on the battle, leaving it below their view.

As for not sensing it, sensing small bits of magic isn't particularly common in Fairy Tail. If Fried can leave magical runes all over the place and no one detects them until they actually run afoul of them, including Makarov, why should Flare's hair be so easy to sense?

As to Lucy's Uranumetria, Im not sure why she can use it. If I remember right, she couldn't recall using it the first time, so why can she she use it? There are no hints in the manga that she learned it from Hibiki and giving his reaction I hardly think she asked him. Lucy's Uranu and Natsu's lighting fire, Mashima should explain these more properly instead of leaving it to the readers imaginations. Hopefully there are some explaining coming in future chapters.

As I was saying to exacta, her not remembering it immediately afterwards is meaningless. To put it another way, in showing the aftermath of the Festival Arc, we never see Makarov explain Laxus's DS lacrima to everyone. Yet several chapters later it's mentioned that he did just that. We don't see everything that happens in the way of resolution, but obviously the completely natural stuff such as exchanging stories, and asking questions. Otherwise for example, none of them except Natsu and Happy would know what happened to Cobra, everyone but Hibiki would be in the dark as to what happened to Angel, only Gray, Leon, and Sherry would know what happened to Racer, Gerard and Erza the only ones that know about Midnight, etc. So she'd learn about it in the aftermath of the OS arc, and from there it'd be a matter of her looking the spell up and trying to learn it for herself.

Actually, I'm rather curious as to whether Natsu is even on their level or not. I mean, he was given some of Laxus's power, but it seems to have weakened and I wonder if it will run out all together, or if it already has? It pisses me off that the slayed their parent dragons though...

By all indications, the power he received from Laxus ran out after the Hades fight. The lightning-fire mode had weakened because Natsu was now performing it entirely on his own. Now he's got the power up from Ultear, though whether that'll strengthen the mode, or just allow him to use it without exhausting himself is up in the air.