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Thread: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Look at each additional page after your scan and then reasess the amount of time you're thinking up.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    All we see is the cloak forming, then the bijuus preparing to fire, with Naruto already in Bijuu Mode that then repels them.
    And even if he would be too slow to actually create a full bijuu form ( since his link isn't perfect, Bee was showed to turn into a Bijuu in an istant when he fired the Bijuudama at CT ) he would still be in his cloaked mode, plenty fast to evade any kind of Amaterasu. Evaded that he goes into full bijuu mode, protected by Gaara's sand, maybe?

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Amaterasu < Gaara Sand. Already showed :P

    Amaterasu < Storm + Rain. Put out amaterasu..

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Gaara's sand blocked Enton, not Amaterasu and we saw rain didn't put Amaterasu out during Sasuke's battle with Itachi. Anyway, we saw the only clear way to avoid Amaterasu is to watch and wait for it to come. Unless Naruto is standing there waiting to dodge or continuously on the move, it should be possible to land a hit with Amaterasu. Worst case, cover the field to limit his ability to move.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Flash bijuudama didn't look that fast to make and release. They can still run from it or get close enough to Naruto that it'd be too dangerous for Naruto to release the bomb.

    You ignored the parts where I said there'd be other defense to supplement Rashoumon as well to soften bijuu dama. Let's not forget Orochimaru still survived the minor bijuu canon. I only see Oro and Kisame surviving, but it depends on the power. Anythin equal to four-tailed Naruto's power will destroy Orochimaru (if his own admission is right) while Kisame is a weird unknown since he surivved a one-hit KO, a super punch, and still managed to break out of his shackles.
    Its fast enough for those guys to don't be able to run outside its blast radius. Naruto does not need to aim it direcly at one of them... Just at the area those guys are at. It would not be that dangerous for Naruto to release it close to himself considering he has a super Kyuubi shield up right in front of himself. Bee was able to stop a normal bijudama from Kyuubi and not only that absorb it conpletly (the energy released). That chakra shield should be able to take it... Orochimaru with a sword that can cut adamantine was unable to put a scrach on a 4 tails Naruto shield...

    If you think they are all going to have time to put up defences(and the coordination... What are they the Borg from Star Trek?)... Yeah not going to belive that... Also just shoot more of them lol and shoot in diferent places so they can't defened.
    Nobody is going to live from that shockwave (well ET will :P).
    Also there is no way Kisame is surviving that. That moron's Gui move was weak as hell. Bee charging in his lvl 2 form made A TON MORE DAMAGE to Kisame... It Made a hole in Samehada and mortal damage to Kisame.

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    The bolded is my exact point. How the hell do you say "Flash Bijuudama! Game over!", if the steps to GET to Flash Bijuudama can be nullified in a (black) blaze of glory? "Fight starts and then he uses it" ignores an ENTIRE battlefield of enemies (and friggin allies for that matter), and forgets that he has to take two noticeable steps to get to said ability to use it.
    Naruto had Bee, Kakashi and Gai there and he was more then able to use it. I am sure he can protect them even if all of them need to jump inside his shield. Also Naruto with his lvl 2 RM shield can probably decapitate most of them before they know it(not at the same time). If lvl 1 was up with Raikge in speed (when Naruto uses full speed with shunshin) then image lvl 2.

    He would just place them all in his shield:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/6

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    It's like in the Orochimaru vs. SM Naruto thread. Some genius said "one FRS and it's over", but neglected to explain how Naruto manages to get into SM or connect with the thing to begin with. Naruto's strong and fast, we get that. That doesn't mean he can do anything he wants with no opposition. Especially when the move he makes gives his opposition the ability to oneshot him.
    Well i don't know about that guy but reading your op with SM Naruto i belived he starts in SM. Perhaps he belived the same? If not its obviously harder as Naruto needs to create clones and send them off to get senjutsu chakra and then use some other 100 clones just to buy time... And considering those clones can run in diferent directions... He should be able to hide to get into SM. But that is a diferent topic.

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    As for air going through Susanoo... did you actually just say air does not go through Susanoo? Did you? Because if so, I'd love to see panels of every single time Sasuke or Itachi had to hold their breath inside of Susanoo because air doesn't get inside to fill their lungs. Terrible. Terrible.
    We have 2 explanations:

    1- Air does go trough but its filtered.
    2- No air goes trough and Susano provides what they need to survive. Green Lantern can be in outer space and his ring/shield provides what he needs to stay alive and no air comes from the outside.

    If air was really able to go trough then that acidic mist from that Kage babe would have burned him allive. So its 1 of the above. Susano provides what he needs or Susano filters out the acidity vapors or whatever in the air and supplies only the good air :P

    Makes sense to me. Of course they still need to breath in there and they where as they had air in there lungs to even speak but that does not explain how his lungs where not turning to paste when that air with that level of acidity was going in his lungs.

    Also as i said. Naruto can TANK with his shield the Amaterasu or just evade it easy.

    We have Naruto going full biju form from RM lvl 2 fast as hell... Before those other biju's where able to close the distance and he was able to do this TO BIJUS:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/5

    Those are 5 blasted bijus blasted back with chakra scream alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Gaara's sand blocked Enton, not Amaterasu and we saw rain didn't put Amaterasu out during Sasuke's battle with Itachi. Anyway, we saw the only clear way to avoid Amaterasu is to watch and wait for it to come. Unless Naruto is standing there waiting to dodge or continuously on the move, it should be possible to land a hit with Amaterasu. Worst case, cover the field to limit his ability to move.
    Lvl 1 RM Naruto with shunshin was fater then Raikage at full speed and he has no need to power himself up like Raikage. Now curent Naruto with Kurama and lvl 2 RM he can dodge it easy... Or hell tank it with his shield. That would actualy be a goot tactic... Allow himself to be on fire and then just move 2-3x times faster then Raikage at full speed and place Amaterasu on all of them lol(hell as i said above he can decapitate most of them before they know it...).
    Just look at this speed and power:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/3

    Repeling/deflecting MULTIPLE BIJUDAMAS that destroyed mountains with his speed alone... Amaterasu? HAHAHAHA right (the hahaha was not meant as an insult to you but to Amaterasu :P)...
    Last edited by xXan; March 07, 2012 at 03:06 AM.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Lvl 1 RM Naruto with shunshin was fater then Raikage at full speed and he has no need to power himself up like Raikage. Now curent Naruto with Kurama and lvl 2 RM he can dodge it easy... Or hell tank it with his shield. That would actualy be a goot tactic... Allow himself to be on fire and then just move 2-3x times faster then Raikage at full speed and place Amaterasu on all of them lol(hell as i said above he can decapitate most of them before they know it...).
    Just look at this speed and power:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/3

    Repeling/deflecting MULTIPLE BIJUDAMAS that destroyed mountains with his speed alone... Amaterasu? HAHAHAHA right (the hahaha was not meant as an insult to you but to Amaterasu :P)...
    I don't doubt that if Naruto knew it was coming, he would be able to avoid it. But in a situation where he's focusing on another opponent or otherwise preoccupied, I don't think he would be able to react to an instant attack like Amaterasu. We saw the last time he was confronted with it that even though he had better reflexes then Ee, he still didn't manage to move until after it had been shot. And even in the event of Naruto avoiding being hit, covering the field would still limit his range of movement.

    Allowing himself to be set on fire wouldn't be that good of a tactic, since Sasuke is fully capable of turning the flames off on an ally. Not to mention that concentrating is what makes Amaterasu truly dangerous, otherwise the burning is slow. Anyway, since Sasuke's side has multiple means of taking to the air, that should reduce the odds of them getting blitzed.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan
    1- Air does go trough but its filtered.
    2- No air goes trough and Susano provides what they need to survive. Green Lantern can be in outer space and his ring/shield provides what he needs to stay alive and no air comes from the outside.
    Niether. For the first one, that makes the jutsu more complicated than it actually is. It's just chakra. Just chakra. For the second one, Hal and the other Green Lanterns use the external power from the rings to protect their bodies. It sustains their bodies. Sasuke's Susanoo does the exact opposite. It's made from his body. It comes from him. It takes AWAY from it.

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    If air was really able to go trough then that acidic mist from that Kage babe would have burned him allive. So its 1 of the above. Susano provides what he needs or Susano filters out the acidity vapors or whatever in the air and supplies only the good air :P
    It did. You saw his arm feeling the mist and burning. The acid mist she spat out was mainly liquid vapor, and most of the fog was kept out, but not the part that was small enough to flow in the okygen that naturally leaks through Susanoo.

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    Makes sense to me. Of course they still need to breath in there and they where as they had air in there lungs to even speak but that does not explain how his lungs where not turning to paste when that air with that level of acidity was going in his lungs.
    Because again, only the thinnest part, the part that was mostly air, managed to get through. The entire thing couldn't because the majority of the fog was dense acid clumped together. Enough got through on the oxygen that was going through his Susanoo bubble.

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan
    Repeling/deflecting MULTIPLE BIJUDAMAS that destroyed mountains with his speed alone... Amaterasu? HAHAHAHA right (the hahaha was not meant as an insult to you but to Amaterasu :P)...
    Huge difference. Bijuudama is dense like a solid. Think, beach ball. Amaterasu however is amorphous and not solid, even though it's clumped together. Like a water balloon. If a beach ball comes at you you hit it, and it bounces away (like the Bijuudama). If a water balloon comes at you and you hit it, it bursts and you get covered in water.

    That's what would happen if Naruto decides to try to deflect Amaterasu. He'd just swing his hand/chakra limb/tail right through it, setting himself aflame.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I don't doubt that if Naruto knew it was coming, he would be able to avoid it. But in a situation where he's focusing on another opponent or otherwise preoccupied, I don't think he would be able to react to an instant attack like Amaterasu. We saw the last time he was confronted with it that even though he had better reflexes then Ee, he still didn't manage to move until after it had been shot. And even in the event of Naruto avoiding being hit, covering the field would still limit his range of movement.

    Allowing himself to be set on fire wouldn't be that good of a tactic, since Sasuke is fully capable of turning the flames off on an ally. Not to mention that concentrating is what makes Amaterasu truly dangerous, otherwise the burning is slow. Anyway, since Sasuke's side has multiple means of taking to the air, that should reduce the odds of them getting blitzed.
    Naruto has just to many counters, speed, reaction times, knows Sasuke and Amaterasu, shield, is going to be in some 100 places with some 20-30 RM clones and some 50-70 SM clones... When this fight starts he is looking direcly at the opponents so no. Also Bee was not burning down instantly when he got hit by a focused Amaterasu.. If Bee in full form can take it so can Naruto.

    @ninjabot

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    Niether. For the first one, that makes the jutsu more complicated than it actually is. It's just chakra. Just chakra. For the second one, Hal and the other Green Lanterns use the external power from the rings to protect their bodies. It sustains their bodies. Sasuke's Susanoo does the exact opposite. It's made from his body. It comes from him. It takes AWAY from it.
    How is the fact that it makes the jutsu to complicated relevant? Makes no sense to me. Chakra in this manga can do just about anything.
    Sasuke needs his lifeforce to keep it up but that does not mean the jutsu itself can't protect his body in that way... Take Naruto.. He get's ripped appart but also healed by that chakra. Again this means nothing.

    Yoy find it ridicolus that a jutsu design to defend its user from outside interferance can protect the user from air toxins or whatever? Please... Its even a jutsu based attack.

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    It did. You saw his arm feeling the mist and burning. The acid mist she spat out was mainly liquid vapor, and most of the fog was kept out, but not the part that was small enough to flow in the okygen that naturally leaks through Susanoo.
    Emm no. Sasuke got damaged only after Susano melted...That becomes irrelevant as the thing defeneding his arms was gone. If the mist was bypassing Susano the first things that would be burning are his eyes, hair and so on. Also his lungs would be paste.

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    Because again, only the thinnest part, the part that was mostly air, managed to get through. The entire thing couldn't because the majority of the fog was dense acid clumped together. Enough got through on the oxygen that was going through his Susanoo bubble.
    Sasuke was not even coughing or hurting his eyes. There is no way that thing had absolutly any effect on him considering the acidity in the air.

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    Huge difference. Bijuudama is dense like a solid. Think, beach ball. Amaterasu however is amorphous and not solid, even though it's clumped together. Like a water balloon. If a beach ball comes at you you hit it, and it bounces away (like the Bijuudama). If a water balloon comes at you and you hit it, it bursts and you get covered in water.

    That's what would happen if Naruto decides to try to deflect Amaterasu. He'd just swing his hand/chakra limb/tail right through it, setting himself aflame.
    No its not. He was able to deflect them with SPEED alone. How is Amaterasu going to hit him? Now considering the wind he created when running how about Amaterasu getting sent the other way from the wind presure? Think of what happends when you blow wind on fire, it goes the other way (the flames) and yes they increase but they are still going the other way :P.

    The hand that was swinged would be on fire and that is chakra that can be discarded. Not focused Amaterasu had done 0 damage to Karin back (aside from her ending up KO'ed) and Bee was screaming for a good time before anything happened and that guy was in flesh form, Naruto shields are diferent. Also some 100 target to pick from for Sasuke.
    Now if Sasuke is using Amaterasu off the bat and targeting Naruto Kakashi is using Kamui off the bat and targeting Sasuke. Sasuke dies. Oh and i hope you are not going to tell me he is using Amaterasu and summoning Susano at the same time.

    Also as long Sasuke is using Amaterasu right in front Naruto that is never going to hit and getting behind his back when Naruto is just going to go full biju mode is not really going to be possible considering Sasuke has so many other people around. Sasuke charging in that direction is going to be suicide.
    Last edited by xXan; March 08, 2012 at 02:15 AM.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Naruto has just to many counters, speed, reaction times, knows Sasuke and Amaterasu, shield, is going to be in some 100 places with some 20-30 RM clones and some 50-70 SM clones... When this fight starts he is looking direcly at the opponents so no. Also Bee was not burning down instantly when he got hit by a focused Amaterasu.. If Bee in full form can take it so can Naruto.
    Naruto already had the counters of speed, reaction time, and foreknowledge. And as far as we have seen, Naruto can only make a max twelve and only they would be a problem to Amaterasu usage. Sasuke didn't focus after he had launched Amaterasu at Kirabi, but even then he was nearly covered and in pain. So the only real trouble will be Naruto's clones and they can be handled by Deidara, Mei, and Onoki, who's techniques can't just be hit away.
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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

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    What Sasuke used at Bee was a clear focused Amaterasu. Nobody ever in this manga kept it foucsed and concentrated it after it hit its target. How Sasuke used it vs Bee that is how a direct Amaterasu works. If you have better feats from it do provide.

    Naruto had a limit of 12 when he had only part of Kyuubi power, now with full Kurama help he should be able to make more as he has more chakra, this was always about chakra to his limit. Also the other clones needed to be targeted to. What if the real Naruto is 1 of them? Of coruse nobody can take out even 12 clones before 1 of them goes full biju form and does a flash bijudama... Hell they even have Bee that can do one to. They can't EVEN SEE RM lvl 2 Naruto. Kakashi was asking himself wtf was that? Naruto? Well Sasuke probably can with his sharingan.
    Then you aparently posted some other 3 people that actualy can't take on SM Naruto (well perhaps Onoki can if he flies up as Naruto can't get to it) ignoring that Naruto is not alone there... What you expect the other to just look at the fight? Onoki tries to shot something and Danzo uses his special ability and makes him belive that is not Naruto but Sasuke and then he turns around and blasts most of his team to pieces as he belives Naruto is back there. Hell Kakashi can snipe some 4 people before he goes down with Kamui.

    My side is way more hax then yours bub.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    What Sasuke used at Bee was a clear focused Amaterasu. Nobody ever in this manga kept it foucsed and concentrated it after it hit its target. How Sasuke used it vs Bee that is how a direct Amaterasu works. If you have better feats from it do provide.

    Naruto had a limit of 12 when he had only part of Kyuubi power, now with full Kurama help he should be able to make more as he has more chakra, this was always about chakra to his limit. Also the other clones needed to be targeted to. What if the real Naruto is 1 of them? Of coruse nobody can take out even 12 clones before 1 of them goes full biju form and does a flash bijudama... Hell they even have Bee that can do one to. They can't EVEN SEE RM lvl 2 Naruto. Kakashi was asking himself wtf was that? Naruto? Well Sasuke probably can with his sharingan.
    Then you aparently posted some other 3 people that actualy can't take on SM Naruto (well perhaps Onoki can if he flies up as Naruto can't get to it) ignoring that Naruto is not alone there... What you expect the other to just look at the fight? Onoki tries to shot something and Danzo uses his special ability and makes him belive that is not Naruto but Sasuke and then he turns around and blasts most of his team to pieces as he belives Naruto is back there. Hell Kakashi can snipe some 4 people before he goes down with Kamui.

    My side is way more hax then yours bub.
    Itachi did when he countered Sasuke's Great Fireball and Sasuke did when he shot Danzo. Keeping it focus makes it burn faster.

    That doesn't make any sense. Naruto had quite a lot of the Kyuubi's chakra, and he made the clones before he even began to really use it up. And why would the other clones need to be targeted to? His cloaked form is the only real threat. And since Sasuke's side has the advantage of flight, they can avoid being directly hit y the blast and outside that, surviving it isn't a major issue. Why can't they take his clones on? They all have long distances AOE techniques to target the clones from above. And neither Danzo or Kakashi is a threat with the rain making it hard to see, in addition Mei and Zabuza can hide their side using their mist and Deidara bombing the field. That would counter them all but Gaara, and from the air, targeting them wouldn't be that hard. Since Kabuto can summon Muu, if Onoki get's turnt they can eliminate him and just call upon Muu to take that role. And Kakashi has never shown to be able to use Kamui in quick secession. Regardless, a couple of Dust techniques will clear the field and protect Sasuke's side from anything thrown at them, including a Bijuu Blast.

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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

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    No, they just used the jutsu. There is no extened focus of the eyes, its just like vs Bee, shoot and forget.

    He started using the clones after a night of running trough the forest, something that Bee stated is exremly dangerous as it was taxing on his chakra and it could kill him, even the 9 tails stated he was trowing away its chakra.
    Now when he got the chakra from the 9 tails it was not even 9 tails of it. Asuming he could do beter now that is fresh and with full Kurama suport... Makes sense.

    Naruto's SM are dagerous. They can be taken out but going with those HUGE rasengans like vs the Kyuubi vs the enemy is not something you can ignore.

    Also they don't have the advantage of flight as my team can:

    Snipe them with Kamui (hell almost worked vs Deidara and now Kakashi is better).
    Make them kill there own team (danzou).
    Shoot biju blasts the size of Kona in a instant (well close to) that you can't dodge (Naruto).
    Other biju blasts from Bee and that huge tornado thing that cleared the hole forest (should clear the mist to as it is a wind vortex thing).
    Water balls from Bunta that where countering those small blasts from the 1 tails and are the size of houses.
    Prep genjutsu from Ma and Pa
    A sand avalance to darken the sky from Gaara. He was able to chase down with it Deidara.
    And more i am sure but its enough.

    The rain is not going to make it hard to see lol. Those people have a SHARINGAN that detects chakra ... It can rain all it wants. Danzou was able to use his ability when his eye was completly covered by fabric.
    The special mist is more of a problem but we got people that have good aoe like Naruto and his people. Also the mist will make there own people blind as a bat. That is not that good considering there own team can't see shit.

    Kakashi was able to use Kamui a good number of times in the same fight, not exacly instantly one after another but i don't see why not. Even asuming he needs some seconds to do it again its not a problem.
    Sasori is also there to poison them. A rain of needles at random in the mist is going to get some of them as they can't see shit.

    Also Tsunade places a radio with her slugs in all of them so better coordination.
    Also Danzou has 10 mins of god mode so he can do a lot of scouting and perhaps even killing people as he can pop behind them.
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    Re: Hax Attack: Multi-Village Team Death Match!!!

    Itachi and Sasuke were focused, while against the Hachibi Sasuke was forced to close his eye before he could finish.

    Kirabi's comment was due to his belief that the Kyuubi would devour Naruto's chakra during that time, which wasn't happening. If the number of clones he could make was dependent on how much of the Kyuubi's chakra he had, then why would he be limited to a set umber when he had plenty of Kyuubi's chakra left even after creating them? And yes, Sage Mode is dangerous, but not so much when fought from a distances.

    As for the counters to flight:
    - Kakashi was shown having trouble targeting someone at a distances moving, unlike something close. And given the angles, he would only be able to take out those using Onoki's flight method and once he took someone out, he would be targeted himself.
    - Anyone Danzo takes control of can be killed and that would end that problem.
    - Why wouldn't they be able to dodge or counter? The blast doesn't move any faster then an ordinary one.
    - Kirabi's twister would do more damage to his side then to them in the air.
    - Even more blockable then the Bijuu Blast.
    - Would take even more time then usual to actually reach them.
    - Now this is the only other actual threat, but an be dealt with the same way as the Bijuu Blast, with Dust release.

    The rain would make it hard to see and target, especially for Kakashi who gets effected after each use of Kamui. When the majority of them are flying on Deidara's clay birds, it's gonna be hard to figure out who is who when Kakashi and Danzo can only see the same source of chakra for them all. Sasuke and who ever he's carrying would be easy to find, but still not easy to target with his hawk in the way. Only those like Onoki would be open. The mist wouldn't interfere with them being able to drop clay bombs and Dust techniques down on the field to clear it beforehand. Any especially dangerous people can be targeted by Sasuke and his Amaterasu arrows/magatama. Sasori's poison needles would run into the same problem as Kamui. I don't see how helpful coordination will be other then to warn each other to run before certain attacks. And Danzo "popping" up behind people wouldn't prevent him from being dealt with again like he was against Sasuke.

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