Naruto 576 Discussion

[bigman]

I want to see the previous jinchurikis again,especially since Yagura was shown different compared how he was in the mist,he was good! and I want to see him explaining why he is the representative of the gins.

Maybe because he was the only perfect jin there and hes also a former kage.

[jaymizzo]

LOL, scratch your eyes out huh. I dunno, if he isn't defeated and the Edo Tensei is just ended that seems kind of lame. You have 5 of the strongest ninja in the world, unable to do a damn thing against one man. I would like to see the 5 Kages formulate a winning strategy to beat Madara similar to how Gaara and Oonoki did for the 2nd Mizukage.

At the moment they don't seem like they really have a plan and are just trading blows with Madara, which is disappointing.

Its not just one man, its the closest living thing to Rikudou sennin. If These five Kages can even last long against Madara, it means that they can probably breathe long enough to see Rikudou sennins face if he was ever to fight them, which is utterly unacceptable.

I want Madara to get serious and lay waste to them. Literally bin worthy waste. I want them to be completely outmatched, render this will b.s. useless in the face of someone with his kind of power. I mean all weve heard about the older generation is pure hype, i mean people even debated than Minato/Sasuke/Naruto/Itachi could proabably take on Hashirama. I want Madara to prove to us that the older generation were seriously strong, especially Hashirama and himself.

So far we see that Hashiramas power is just waay to haxed lol. I just really want there to be no question as to who would win between Madara/Hashirama/Tobirama when faced against the current generation. I want it to be a complete and utter bloody murderstomp untill near the end of the Manga. I just dont want anyone to use Hashirama/Madara in the same sentence as any current ninja, I want it to be as funny as someone saying that the Hulk could take on Superman.

[syx]

I forgot about Hashirama's cells being implanted in Madara. But Madara woke the Rinnegan during the fight with Hashirama, so he got beat even with that.

Madara gained Rinnegan shortly before his death. Who knows in which condition he was. Besides there are indications that Madara didn't die after his fight vs. Hashirama.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Madara gained Rinnegan shortly before his death. Who knows in which condition he was. Besides there are indications that Madara didn't die after his fight vs. Hashirama.

You're exactly right my friend. Kabuto stated he learned that Madara acquired the Rinnegan towards the end of his life. Based on the way he phrased that it seems to me that Madara may have lived a full life even after his battle with the First. Or, it's possible that the wounds from that fight killed him over-time. But you're correct. It's been more or less said (more times than once to boot) that Madara survived his battle with the First.

It's possible for two people to have a deathmatch and for both of them to survive. In Madara's case we learned from Tobi that he used Izanagi to trick the First into thinking he had killed him and he then went into hiding.

[bigman]

I want it to be a complete and utter bloody murderstomp untill near the end of the Manga. I just dont want anyone to use Hashirama/Madara in the same sentence as any current ninja, I want it to be as funny as someone saying that the Hulk could take on Superman.

I didn't know what you were talking about until i did my quick research and watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGGEm0EJkms

That is kind of funny.

[GetToSomeSleep]

It's possible for two people to have a deathmatch and for both of them to survive. In Madara's case we learned from Tobi that he used Izanagi to trick the First into thinking he had killed him and he then went into hiding.

WHERE?

[badluckartist]

WHERE?

We didn't learn that because it wasn't said. It's heavily implied that's how he escaped, but his eyes survived with full vision. He may have recovered his vision after implanting Hashirama's cells and gaining the Rinnegan, though (if Izanagi was the case).

[ZERO PHOENIX]

WHERE?

Pft, I'm not going to hunt down the chapter. It's when Sasuke and Danzo are fighting and Danzo uses Izanagi against Sasuke. Then Tobi talks about the technique and how he used it in his battle with the First.

We didn't learn that because it wasn't said. It's heavily implied that's how he escaped, but his eyes survived with full vision. He may have recovered his vision after implanting Hashirama's cells and gaining the Rinnegan, though (if Izanagi was the case).

Very good theory. I like it but I don't agree with it. I don't think he recovered his vision after implanting Hashirama's cells although that could be the case. Don't forget he has a substantial collection of Sharingan he's been storing.

[Chojin]

Tobi said nothing of the sort. He simply said it is a forbidden technique among Uchiha, full stop.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Tobi said nothing of the sort. He simply said it is a forbidden technique among Uchiha, full stop.

Full stop my ass. Link me to the page.

[bigman]

Full stop my ass. Link me to the page.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-44811-...apter-478.html

In the next chapter he goes into a more thorough explanation about Izanagi but never does say that's how he fooled Hashirama.

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In fact what Tobi says here implies Madara did not use Izanagi to fool Hashirama

http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-...apter-510.html

He says its an Uchiha technique but can only be used by someone who has both the Uchiha and Senju powers. Unless we are to believe Madara got Hashirama's power mid-battle and used Izanagi. Seems unlikely though.

[syx]

I think he is talking about this page where Tobi fought Konan. But again, he never explicitly said that Madara used Izanagi against Hashirama. Back then many thought so, but now the real Madara is back with both of his eyes.

There is a huge room for speculation and interpretation.

[KiSwordsman]

Pft, I'm not going to hunt down the chapter. It's when Sasuke and Danzo are fighting and Danzo uses Izanagi against Sasuke. Then Tobi talks about the technique and how he used it in his battle with the First.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-45540-...apter-479.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-45540-...apter-479.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-45540-...apter-479.html

I don't see any mention of Hashirama and Madara fight by Tobi. He's just explained the technique and what it can do.

[success81]

Ok. I figured it out. Madara is Tobi and the edo tensi. The clues are all there. When Madara fought Hashirama Senju he damaged him greatly pieces of his flesh were splattered on the battlefield(This is evidenced in Madara disscussing Hashiramas healing capabilities. If it wasn't tested, it wouldn't have been brought up.) He gained the Rinnegan before he died so he had the ability to transfer life, so close to death he transfered half of his spirit into a tree that Hashirama built during the battle(Evidence: Tobi said of Nagato, "He was supposed to use the resurrection jutsu for my sake." Its as if he knew he was going to die or he knew he was already dead.) This tree now had the Flesh of Hashirama and the spirit,chakra, and possibly flesh of Madara. He then created the Zetsu. The Zetsu was his helper(The reason Zetsu can grow trees and travel through the trees is from Hashriama). The Zetsu helped create Madaras body out of Zetsu copy parts. The Zetsu also took Madara's rinnegan eyes. The Rinnegan eyes were then placed in an Uzamaki(Nagato Uzamaki) so they can grow stronger.

[Chojin]

What room for interpretation are you talking about? Tobi said that Izanagi requires both Senju and Uchiha DNA to be used. Both Tobi and Danzou have both Uchiha and Senju DNA therefore they can use Izanagi. Madara before fighting Hashirama could not use Izanagi because that is why he fought him in the first place as a pre-requisite for achieving the eye of the moon plan which was his ambition from the beginning. This is stated by Kabuto and Tobi so I see no interpretations here. Unless someone can give proof of the technique being used by a mere Uchiha, that Madara was on his fight then full stop. Fact.