Naruto 576 Discussion

[ninjabot]

I'm kind of surprised that this revelation about Hashirama has came across as unbelievable to so many people. Unlike summoning meteors, we've actually gotten a taste of that ability before. More than anything, I think it just shows what a chakra beast he must have been.

I don't know if anyone finds it unbelievable. I fully expected it considering it fits the strong body motif, and creating trees is essentially creating life. That said, most people are probably just annoyed that we keep finding out that his DNA grants him powers that puts him head and shoulders above most ninja of his ilk. We've yet to hear anything that makes him dangerous outside of the blessings of his DNA, which further promotes the "you have to be Senju or Uchiha to be worth a damn in this manga" belief.

the so call win that the uchiha have were probably being able to complete their mission first because remeber they were hired that mean they were needed to do something, so even if the uchiha did get some win over the senju it doesn't mean much. Them competing over missions doesn't mean much because those fight weren't to the death, they were fighting to kill but it wasn't to the death. the fight to the death between them was at the VOTE and that's the one that count.

Oh no you don't. The scan in the manga says "When one side hired Senju, the other side hired Uchiha, and vice versa." That means they were rivals because people throughout the world knew the best ninja to take down a Senju was an Uchiha, and the best ninja to take down an Uchiha was a Senju. Likewise it was the Senju who backed out of their constant rivalry, not the Uchiha.

Madara alongside Kyuubi, not Madara alone.
Kabuto said so, Madara himself said so, the history said so, Hashirama was superior in skill, but Madara was smarter and acquired a stronger power from his loss

Where in the hell did you see those exact words?

[bigman]

I'm kind of surprised that this revelation about Hashirama has came across as unbelievable to so many people. Unlike summoning meteors, we've actually gotten a taste of that ability before. More than anything, I think it just shows what a chakra beast he must have been.

Its not so much the ability itself, but more about who it has been given to. And this is the second chapter in a row we learn, "oh... Hashirama could do that too... okay".

So who knows what other knowledge Madara will drop on us next week about Hashirama. Maybe when Tsunade displays her technique to control chakra to destroy the ground or punch with ridiculous force Madara will say, "HA! Silly woman... Hashirama could punch much harder than this".

[Smokes]

Its not so much the ability itself, but more about who it has been given to. And this is the second chapter in a row we learn, "oh... Hashirama could do that too... okay".

So who knows what other knowledge Madara will drop on us next week about Hashirama. Maybe when Tsunade displays her technique to control chakra to destroy the ground or punch with ridiculous force Madara will say, "HA! Silly woman... Hashirama could punch much harder than this".

LOL... I wouldn't doubt that there is more to come. I guess we need Madara to spill all the beans about Hashirama since Hashirama is gone for good....well, except as an Uchiha accessory. I'm wondering, if Tsunade is your typical Senju, how the heck didn't the Uchiha wipe them off the map before Hashirama made his appearance. They had 1 guy in the entire history of the clan with a powerful KG......that's probably why they practically don't exist anymore.

[xXan]

Madara alongside Kyuubi, not Madara alone.
Kabuto said so, Madara himself said so, the history said so, Hashirama was superior in skill, but Madara was smarter and acquired a stronger power from his loss

If only Hashirama had some special, perfect counter to the Kyuubi like wood element... Ah w8...

Also you don't know if its superior skill... He could have used overwhelming power just as well.

[ninjabot]

The Senju weren't just the descendants of Rikudou Sennin.

The Senju clan gained their fame in the era before the founding of the hidden villages. Where other clans focused on mastering one particular skill, the Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu. Because of this, they were feared as "the clan with a thousand skills" (「千の手を持つ一族」, "sen no te o motsu ichizoku"), which gave them their name Senju (千手, "a thousand skills", "a thousand hands").

This is from the wiki, and may or may not be from databook so take it with a grain of salt. But I also think I remember reading somewhere the Senju also joined with multiple clans which is probably what granted them access to all these other impressive techniques.

[Smokes]

The Senju weren't just the descendants of Rikudou Sennin.

The Senju clan gained their fame in the era before the founding of the hidden villages. Where other clans focused on mastering one particular skill, the Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu. Because of this, they were feared as "the clan with a thousand skills" (「千の手を持つ一族」, "sen no te o motsu ichizoku"), which gave them their name Senju (千手, "a thousand skills", "a thousand hands").

This is from the wiki, and may or may not be from databook so take it with a grain of salt. But I also think I remember reading somewhere the Senju also joined with multiple clans which is probably what granted them access to all these other impressive techniques.

I could seriously buy that, if it wasn't for the fact that they had supposedly inherited the "power of the body". So they would need to be descendents, wouldn't they? Meh. It's a mess. Kishi doesn't seem to really care so I guess it isn't something I could expect in-manga clarification on. At this point, they seem to just be foils for the Uchiha. Plus, the only one of note was Hashirama anyway.
But I appreciate the Wiki. I don't think I've seen that before.

[ninjabot]

I could seriously buy that, if it wasn't for the fact that they had supposedly inherited the "power of the body". So they would need to be descendents, wouldn't they? Meh. It's a mess. Kishi doesn't seem to really care so I guess it isn't something I could expect in-manga clarification on. At this point, they seem to just be foils for the Uchiha. Plus, the only one of note was Hashirama anyway.
But I appreciate the Wiki. I don't think I've seen that before.

Oh yeah, they've got the body too, thanks to being descendants of RS. But I seriously doubt that that would be enough to make them as renowned as they are since only one of them can use Mokuton. He may be the only regenerating Senju aswell. That said, one would think the thousand techniques wouldn't matter much against the Uchiha's ability to copy handseals... hell, Kakashi is proof that a Sharingan can make you as well versed in multiple techniques as anyone out there.

[roggie]

LOL... I wouldn't doubt that there is more to come. I guess we need Madara to spill all the beans about Hashirama since Hashirama is gone for good....well, except as an Uchiha accessory. I'm wondering, if Tsunade is your typical Senju, how the heck didn't the Uchiha wipe them off the map before Hashirama made his appearance. They had 1 guy in the entire history of the clan with a powerful KG......that's probably why they practically don't exist anymore.

well, to begin with there was tobirama alongside hashi. and from what we've seen from the uchiha, besides the genius that awaked MS, they weren't that impressive, just itachi seems to be worthy at least half the clan.
I believe the sharingan is a great headstart, but alone it doesn't make for a top ninja.

[Masterpice]

I'm still waiting to hear from Madara that Hashirama was completely immune to Sharingan too.

[UchihaHunter]

I am ready to see Itachi v. Kabuto. I'd like to see Itachi lose, not because I dislike him, because I actually don't dislike him, but because Kabuto needs a boost. He is looking really shitty right now, soft like creamy baby poo. I want to see him fight Itachi and show us he deserves to be among the living and treated as a real threat in the manga, which he cannot do if Itachi takes him out.

I also do not want Kabuto to fight Sasuke right now, because all that will be is Sasuke's unleashing some unseen shit on Kabuto and taking him out as easily as Itachi took out Oro, twice. Kabuto needs to actually build some hype before he falls.

True. When Itachi first set off to face Kabuto, I was one of the ones who said that Kabuto HAS to defeat Itachi otherwise he's been a waste of time, but as soon as it became obvious that Itachi was going to meet Sasuke, I've accepted that Sasuke is probably going to be involved in that fight. I feel like Kabuto can recall Madara to help him (and he might still have another trick up his sleeve), but I've also come to terms with Kabuto getting an Uchiha beatdown and thus being a waste of time =/

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Hmm. Just realized another interesting possibility...if Sasuke actually does teeter toward the side of not being a psychopath, that certainly opens up cooperation with Juugo/Suigetsu/Karin, instead of him just killing them all, lol...so does Sasuke "take control of the war?"

I maintain that Juugo and Suigetsu are decently powerful, and with whatever Orochimaru left behind, things may get more interesting.

[Smokes]

well, to begin with there was tobirama alongside hashi. and from what we've seen from the uchiha, besides the genius that awaked MS, they weren't that impressive, just itachi seems to be worthy at least half the clan.
I believe the sharingan is a great headstart, but alone it doesn't make for a top ninja.

If you go back to Sasuke's flashback about his childhood, he had some internal dialogue. He was thinking that the Uchiha were known for their katon techniques and their minds. So it seems they tended to be pretty smart. Add to that the ability to read through and copy techniques, to see chakra and it's color, and complete dominance in genjutsu. That's a pretty big headstart.
The Senju should have been at least equally impressive in their own way. Problem is, they haven't been in the story so we have no idea what made them superior. It's funny. The sage of six paths was considered a myth. But we have more confirmed knowledge about him than we do the Senju clan. Heck, they weren't even around when the Uchiha massacre happened that Tobi blames on them.

And that's it for my off topic Senju rants.

[Oathencrantz]

It would seem like Hashirama's accolades are ruffling a couple feathers. Not surprising, really. He did beat the strongest Uchiha there ever was. I mean, how do go from complaining that not enough has been shown of him to be able to defeat Madara, to complaining that now it's too much to swallow? It needed to happen at some point. No one's moaning about Sephiroth meteor jutsu or Susano'os that can throw laser frisbees.

I thought it was common knowledge that if you're going to be facing off against a possible Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o and all the other God-like abilities that come along with a Sharingan, as well as natural skills, you're going to need an equally epic skill set to even stand a chance. Imo, it's about time that what made Hashirama so heads and shoulders above the rest was revealed. Personally, I don't see the problem, considering the 101 techniques that are afforded the wielders of a Sharingan.

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If you go back to Sasuke's flashback about his childhood, he had some internal dialogue. He was thinking that the Uchiha were known for their katon techniques and their minds. So it seems they tended to be pretty smart. Add to that the ability to read through and copy techniques, to see chakra and it's color, and complete dominance in genjutsu. That's a pretty big headstart.
The Senju should have been at least equally impressive in their own way. Problem is, they haven't been in the story so we have no idea what made them superior. It's funny. The sage of six paths was considered a myth. But we have more confirmed knowledge about him than we do the Senju clan. Heck, they weren't even around when the Uchiha massacre happened that Tobi blames on them.

And that's it for my off topic Senju rants.

Exactly. This is kind of what I'm trying to say.

[abyozuu]

Ahahaha Madara...

Tsunade's heals are more than impressive given her condition : she is simply not as gifted as her grandfather. Madara is just bashing her because she simply doesn't have natural advantage like him or Hashirama. Typical and expected from the arrogant Uchiha.

Yet there are people who are joining him in his bashing. Awesome.

I confess that I'm not accostumed to see Itachi making such open smile. First time we see that.

Other than that, good chapter overall. I'm dying to see if Tsunade can do something roughly at the same level as Jiraiya's going all out or not.

basically, kabuto wanted to amuse himself and said madara that tsunade is grand daughter of hashirama, she had a short temper but insanely powerful, but only shows her great strength when she is enraged. or, kabuto is talking by the mouth of madara.

[huynhlan]

What makes you think they wouldn't have been to the death? We saw that the results of their fights lead to seemingly quite a lot of deaths, and we also know that Madara and Hashirama had at lease one solo fight against each other. We're talking about ninjas here, simply allowing the opponent to leave would me no sense at all. And again, we saw that Madara survived and Hashirama was not in very good condition from the scenes we saw. So clearly Hashirama wasn't take much stronger then Madara, especially now that we know of his regenerative powers making his appearances even more meaningful.

Dude do you know what fight to the death even mean, it mean the fight only end when one of them die, if it was really fight to the death between them everytime then how come they were still alive, it wouldn't be call fight to the death. They were fighting with the intent to kill, but like we saw with minato fight like that can get interrupted. Also hashirama healing power depend on his chakra so it make sense that his face was a little mess up after the fight, it just mean he was low on chakra that's why his healing was a little slow, but still he didn't look that bad when he was talking to kuubi just look like he got a bruise and is a little tire that all.

[rell250]

It would seem like Hashirama's accolades are ruffling a couple feathers. Not surprising, really. He did beat the strongest Uchiha there ever was. I mean, how do go from complaining that not enough has been shown of him to be able to defeat Madara, to complaining that now it's too much to swallow? It needed to happen at some point. No one's moaning about Sephiroth meteor jutsu or Susano'os that can throw laser frisbees.

I thought it was common knowledge that if you're going to be facing off against a possible Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o and all the other God-like abilities that come along with a Sharingan, as well as natural skills, you're going to need an equally epic skill set to even stand a chance. Imo, it's about time that what made Hashirama so heads and shoulders above the rest was revealed. Personally, I don't see the problem, considering the 101 techniques that are afforded the wielders of a Sharingan.

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Exactly. This is kind of what I'm trying to say.

And both clans seem to have techniques that tie along with the story of the Elder Son(eyes,power) and Younger Son(body,love). The Uchiha Clan derive from the Elder Son known blessed with powerful eyes hence all of their powerful eye techniques of destruction while the Senju derive from the Younger Son who passed down his traits of a powerful body hence Hashiramas ability to heal himself as well as Naruto. It should be no surprise that the strongest Senju/Uzumaki can heal themselves.