Naruto 576 Discussion

[Rikudou King]

After all, Gaara can't be the only Kage capable of sealing techs... right?

I could see Mei having something involving her lava or Onoki having something involving earth, but Tsunade and Ee seem highly unlikely.

LOL, scratch your eyes out huh. I dunno, if he isn't defeated and the Edo Tensei is just ended that seems kind of lame. You have 5 of the strongest ninja in the world, unable to do a damn thing against one man. I would like to see the 5 Kages formulate a winning strategy to beat Madara similar to how Gaara and Oonoki did for the 2nd Mizukage.

At the moment they don't seem like they really have a plan and are just trading blows with Madara, which is disappointing.

It would be even more lame for Itachi to have gone through all this effort to stop Edo Tensei and end up not needing to do anything, since Madara and Muu are apparently the only ones left. It would turn most of his scenes during this war into pointless filler. As long as the Kages do something to push Madara into actually seeing them as a threat and getting serious, that would be more then enough for me.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-...apter-510.html

Tobi doesn't seem to agree with you. I personally have a hard time understanding how its an Uchiha technique yet you need the Senju powers as well. But this is what Tobi says.

Given the later context when he describes Danzo's as incomplete, I would say the introduction of Senju Dna probably enhanced the time and effect above that of what a regular Uchiha would be capable of. With Hashirama's cells, Danzo and Tobi were able to use it to great effect in battle, probably something a regular Uchiha wouldn't have been able to do.

[Adv2011]

Solution/
1. switched eyes with tobi to keep his MS safe and used izinagi and lost 1 eye!
2. he gave tobi his eye back and tobi returned the MS eyes to him
3. activated rennigan and created zetsu and died
4. tobi needed someone to keep renigan so he found uzumakis with powerful chakra untell he revives madara back

[Invader]

Shodaime was no idiot

You see - I don't know about that. The 1st kind of WAS an idiot. Here his cells have incredible magical powers that allow OTHER people to do all kinds of crap with them. He had to have known that his body would be gang-raped by anybody and everybody who wanted to get thier mitts on his powers. Why did he allow his body to survive? Why didn't he disintigrate himself, or pull that ANBU trick where they vanish in a ball of light? But oh no - he just leaves his stupid corpse behind so Orochimaru, Tobi, Madara, Kabuto, and anyone else who wants to gain immortality and mastery of the Kyuubi can just slurp on his DNA like a Big Gulp. To me that kind of makes him an idiot. He really should have known better.

Along those lines - howcome every Tom, Dick, and Harry who comes down the pike knows EXACTLY how to use Senju DNA? How come Senju's weren't stealing Uchiha eyes all the time? For that matter, why weren't just REGULAR old ninjas stealing Uchiha eyes all the time? It has been proven that pretty much any dumb schmuck can plunk a Sharingan in his skull and get full access to thier powers. Why wasn't that happening all through history? Howcome it is only the 1st's DNA that is getting taken on an un-restricted joyride?

[bigman]

It would be even more lame for Itachi to have gone through all this effort to stop Edo Tensei and end up not needing to do anything, since Madara and Muu are apparently the only ones left. It would turn most of his scenes during this war into pointless filler. As long as the Kages do something to push Madara into actually seeing them as a threat and getting serious, that would be more then enough for me.

There is still the ET Torune with Kabuto. Not that it directly threatens the alliance in anyway but, Itachi will most likely have to go through him before Kabuto. So I hope by than, 5 Kages can construct a strategy to defeat Madara. Kind of like what the 2nd Mizukage was trying to teach Gaara about them needing to be able to defeat him with their own skills to prove themselves worthy of the Kage title.

Given the later context when he describes Danzo's as incomplete, I would say the introduction of Senju Dna probably enhanced the time and effect above that of what a regular Uchiha would be capable of. With Hashirama's cells, Danzo and Tobi were able to use it to great effect in battle, probably something a regular Uchiha wouldn't have been able to do.

Eh... maybe. I dunno. I just go by what Tobi said. If it didn't need Senju DNA to work then I don't see the whole point of him going into the whole explanation of The Sage of the Six Paths and saying only someone with both Uchiha & Senju powers can do it.

Performing the jutsu and merely extending the time and effect of the jutsu are two big distinctions he could of made in his explanation.

[hopehelp]

Eh... maybe. I dunno. I just go by what Tobi said. If it didn't need Senju DNA to work then I don't see the whole point of him going into the whole explanation of The Sage of the Six Paths and saying only someone with both Uchiha & Senju powers can do it.

Performing the jutsu and merely extending the time and effect of the jutsu are two big distinctions he could of made in his explanation.

Then why it was called as a forbidden jutsu? There is no reason to call it forbidden for uchiha, if someone never can use it.

In my opinion, in this page madara was just trying to state that in order to use izanagi completely, they must have a hashirama's cell.

[Rikudou King]

There is still the ET Torune with Kabuto. Not that it directly threatens the alliance in anyway but, Itachi will most likely have to go through him before Kabuto. So I hope by than, 5 Kages can construct a strategy to defeat Madara. Kind of like what the 2nd Mizukage was trying to teach Gaara about them needing to be able to defeat him with their own skills to prove themselves worthy of the Kage title.

Alright, three Edo summons remain. The point is still that the Kages defeating Edo Madara would pretty much make Itachi's efforts to stop Edo Tensei needless, since Madara is really the only real danger left.

Eh... maybe. I dunno. I just go by what Tobi said. If it didn't need Senju DNA to work then I don't see the whole point of him going into the whole explanation of The Sage of the Six Paths and saying only someone with both Uchiha & Senju powers can do it.

Performing the jutsu and merely extending the time and effect of the jutsu are two big distinctions he could of made in his explanation.

Yeah, but he was talking about a complete Izanagi, otherwise he wouldn't have considered Danzo's incomplete given they both did the same thing. The only difference between their Izanagi were the amount of time it granted.

[bigman]

Alright, three Edo summons remain. The point is still that the Kages defeating Edo Madara would pretty much make Itachi's efforts to stop Edo Tensei needless, since Madara is really the only real danger left.

I get what you're saying but can't the same be said about Madara, especially if a Kage or two or three die and Itachi ends the Edo Tensei? I mean, there aren't really any normal ninja in that area to protect anymore I don't think. They're either all dead or ran away or went after Muu. So theoretically the Kages could retreat, but they won't because its some silly symbolic fight about defeating the source of hatred.

If Madara just crumbled to dust because Itachi succeeded... wouldn't that make the whole "We'll protect you from this Madara and beat him and correct out past mistakes" crap be worthless?

[nichendrix]

I could see Mei having something involving her lava or Onoki having something involving earth, but Tsunade and Ee seem highly unlikely.

Hey Tsunade uses one seal that is aways said to be legendary, and even more legendary is the fact that she uses it to store chakra, make herself pretty, young and with a huge cleverage.

[M3J]

You see - I don't know about that. The 1st kind of WAS an idiot. Here his cells have incredible magical powers that allow OTHER people to do all kinds of crap with them. He had to have known that his body would be gang-raped by anybody and everybody who wanted to get thier mitts on his powers. Why did he allow his body to survive? Why didn't he disintigrate himself, or pull that ANBU trick where they vanish in a ball of light? But oh no - he just leaves his stupid corpse behind so Orochimaru, Tobi, Madara, Kabuto, and anyone else who wants to gain immortality and mastery of the Kyuubi can just slurp on his DNA like a Big Gulp. To me that kind of makes him an idiot. He really should have known better.

Along those lines - howcome every Tom, Dick, and Harry who comes down the pike knows EXACTLY how to use Senju DNA? How come Senju's weren't stealing Uchiha eyes all the time? For that matter, why weren't just REGULAR old ninjas stealing Uchiha eyes all the time? It has been proven that pretty much any dumb schmuck can plunk a Sharingan in his skull and get full access to thier powers. Why wasn't that happening all through history? Howcome it is only the 1st's DNA that is getting taken on an un-restricted joyride?

How can he control what he does with his body after death? Maybe he wanted or expected his comrades to destroy his body or bury it really well, seals and all. Maybe he didn't really expect his cells to work for anyone (Danzou tried) or even knew about it. I mean, even his direct descendants couldn't do Mokuton. Apart from Danzou, we're not even sure if anyone else tried to steal Uchiha eyes. It's not like every Uchiha tried to steal Hashirama's cells, from the looks of it. Just Danzou (once again) and Madara, probably Tobi as well.

[EnvyOS]

Given the later context when he describes Danzo's as incomplete, I would say the introduction of Senju Dna probably enhanced the time and effect above that of what a regular Uchiha would be capable of. With Hashirama's cells, Danzo and Tobi were able to use it to great effect in battle, probably something a regular Uchiha wouldn't have been able to do.

I think it's more about family linage.

We have the original Uchihas made from the evil son of the Sage. Who were still technically Senju and Uchiha mixed. They had eye powers as well.
But as their heritage progressed the Senju from their blood became little to nothing. Which is why no current Uchiha has been shown to use Izanagi except for people with Senju DNA implanted.

[leeyandrow]

Itachi may get Kabuto but there may be a chance that he needs another edo tensei to get to him–maybe Madara. So a battle with Itachi and Sasuke vs Madara would be interesting (battle of Susanoos and other Uchiha/Rinnegan stuff) and is >>>> than 5 kages who fail against Madara. There may be an unpredictable factor where Sasuke helps Itachi with his mission rather than leave him alone so that’s what I hope will happen. Plus it makes for a dream battle–Kishi approved.

[ninjabot]

@EnvyOS: Actually, the reason you don't see other Uchiha use Izanagi isn't because they don't have Senju DNA. It's because it was deemed a forbidden jutsu amongst the clan. That forbade it's use because you sacrifice an eye to use it. Even with Senju DNA you still sacrifice your eye. The price in most cases is far greater than the reward.

[xXan]

I don't see a problem with Kages winning vs Madara. Itachi will still stop Kabuto that can summon EVEN MORE ET zombies in the future. So he IS stoping the ET production and Kages stop Madara. Its like part of an army stoping the tanks on the battlefield and another part of the army busting up the factory that is producing them. Both sides are doing something important and valid.

[Rikudou King]

I get what you're saying but can't the same be said about Madara, especially if a Kage or two or three die and Itachi ends the Edo Tensei? I mean, there aren't really any normal ninja in that area to protect anymore I don't think. They're either all dead or ran away or went after Muu. So theoretically the Kages could retreat, but they won't because its some silly symbolic fight about defeating the source of hatred.

If Madara just crumbled to dust because Itachi succeeded... wouldn't that make the whole "We'll protect you from this Madara and beat him and correct out past mistakes" crap be worthless?

Not really, because in the end, Madara is nothing more then Kabuto's pawn. Tobi's the one who needs to be defeated for the whole symbolic root of all evil thing. The only reason they need to fight Madara is simply to keep him from running around and screwing things up for everyone else, but the two other events going on hold more importance then defeating him.

Hey Tsunade uses one seal that is aways said to be legendary, and even more legendary is the fact that she uses it to store chakra, make herself pretty, young and with a huge cleverage.

Eh, creating a seal to store chakra is nothing special. Every village has one, since that's what they use to create Jinchuurikis. And her looks are another technique.

I think it's more about family linage.

We have the original Uchihas made from the evil son of the Sage. Who were still technically Senju and Uchiha mixed. They had eye powers as well.
But as their heritage progressed the Senju from their blood became little to nothing. Which is why no current Uchiha has been shown to use Izanagi except for people with Senju DNA implanted.

But that would still defeat the purpose of it being a forbidden technique of the Uchiha clan, if none of them could even make use of it in the first place.

[mattiaildivino]

in fact,we don't know how the uchiha knew about izanagi,probably they knew that less than how they knew the MS.perhaps toni was referring to the whole clan uchiha as a legend which talks about the power they could have had if they had merged with the senju again. and it was forbidden because they were in war,therefore it would have been a betrayal.