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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
Neither good, nor bad
I've written very long posts about why Claymore needs this for the past 2 years on AS but atm I only have a few moments of free time to finish this post. But a quick sumup, the best chapters of late have been the back stories of Cassandra and Roxanne, Mirias death and return, and anything with Rubel or Dae yet the most boring chapters have been the fights especially once they got going (minus Hysterias intro, which kicked ass... and the intro of Cassandra/Roxanne to a lesser degree but those where more back story anyways). Lets face it everyone knew whod survive ghost/warrior wise so there was no suspence and it took months to complete when we all but knew the outcome... however if Yagi could have done this arc in 6 months not 10 with more back story too boot the arc could have kicked ass. Claymore is really suffering from a limitation of being confined to 31 pages a month and if Yagi could get more pages a month like FMA did for the last half of the story it could go back to the way it was.... SUPERB.
Look at it another way, the last half of FMA would have sucked if dragged out for 3 times longer than it was (since the last few chapters where about 3 times longer than the first few). Some stories just need longer then the standard given episode/chapter size.
Last edited by Ryus; April 26, 2012 at 07:52 PM. Reason: fixed a few glaring typos due to typing this up on my cell phone (beyond that changed nothing)
Strange; we may get the chapter before the spoilers are even out yet? That's happened before, but it's still very weird and feels out of place 0_o
Guess nobody can complain though...Hopefully the next chapter will be an all-talk chapter - a good break from all the action and a chance to tie of tons of loose ends hanging around, and their are plenty.
My respond to Goral's:
Ok I get what you trying to say but many things says the opposite:Quote:
1- Beth wasn't important at that time to be present to fight her (she could've been there but her appearance would ruin her appearance after the War of the North as twins thing) because Alicia was just estimating Riful's powers not to fight her with the high probability of losing her which would be devastating to the Organization.
2- When they said that she was completed they meant it IMO that she finished the 30% improvement so the blades were doubled! Not that she couldn't awaken and go back and if so how would they know about the blades??
I suppose here you just mentioned what I want to say "they don't know about Partial Awakening" because Rubel's personality is like this (I know this because I use this to get out of troubles): He never lies but never tells the whole truth! So whatever he said is actually true 100% but not the whole truth there is more ,but nothing of that affects what he said about that part or anything he said before and if you want a proof to that part of his personality is what he said to Miria which was a small part of the truth but still true! So here I suppose what they meant is increasing her powers as a Claymore (in her human form).Quote:
The first part is the same as before but here I can add this.. Alicia did have strains and Beth even more. This was mentioned by Rubel when he was chating with Galatea about them so I don't think the strains were the main topic they were talking about here but still this is a strong point as it is important to stabilize her.Quote:
Well your logic isn't far away from the truth I believe she simply got N1 because of her importance doesn't mean she was N1 she was the strongest at that time maybe they included her AB form in the ranking that would definitely make her the strongest if you think about it in this way so when she got stronger as a Claymore she got stronger as an AB and this doesn't contrast with anything in the manga! The AOs ranking is definitely as you mentioned Isley apparently had the upper hand against Luciella but I believe Riful is stronger because Isley didn't attack her even though he had a better army so for him to do nothing means that he isn't stronger than her and this I believe ends all the talk about there powers (but like it will ever end).Quote:
This indicates that how hard it is to improve as a claymore so the efforts that they have to make to just increase their powers by 30%.. But this improvement could be nothing if you put it this way:Quote:
From the time of when he said that they will improve her powers to the time when they said she was completed is a very short period and in that they managed to increase her powers by 30% which was enough to kill 11 ABs! So how much she improved in those 7 years in this theory is true??
But for the maximum part, I disagree with that logic because I see a maximum where everyone reaches (Even as humans because for example muscle indeed don’t increase in number under normal circumstances they become larger as you train them so how much you increase it you will reach one day to the maximum limits of us humans so why would Claymores be different?)
For the 7th point the points before respond to most of it but I like to add this: Galatea when she talked about the rival she didn’t just mention Alicia she added Beth so this can mean that Alicia+Beth’s yoki = an AO’s Yoki not only just Alicia.. But still both theories got holes especially here.
Well.. After a while of thinking about this we simply forgot our lack of knowledge in this subject compared to someone who has Yoki just like Riful and Clare and all of the warriors! They have it so they can relate to it in ways we would never understand specially that thing she said it wasn't just for Clare or Jean it was to all 3 of them; Galatea included. Now since she didn't go through what Clare and Jean have been through indicates this can be applied to all Claymores. So All Claymores can become stronger ABs if they train more as Claymore! Sometimes there are things meant to be felt inside and from inside not experimented and experienced and I believe this is one of them unless Yagi provide us with the proof as if the Twins get stronger (with time) and awaken again (They won't change in shape much but they will get stronger if the theory is true). Riful has knowledge we simply don't have because she has the key to the source of Yoki which is indeed in herself and in every Yoki-using being plus she is a genius actually because she gets everything from almost nothing so this wouldn't be any different.Quote:
If I made a typo please forgive me because I wrote this while I was watching my favorite show.. so you know..But I will respond to the rest soon so give me a chance to respond to the rest before you respond to this.
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Ok first for Gernot's translation: Surely I have got nothing to say about it but still it doesn't mean by training it doesn't increase the Yoki; it simply tells us that HA increases overall powers (just like Miria said in chapter 31 to Deneve after HA & Riful said about Clare). Still the idea of training for it to increase yoki is not denied by this and actually tells us what are the principles of HA not Yoki and the probability to increase it.
And for the example, I know Clare's yoki is low but it doesn't mean that her Yoki hasn't increased after 7 years plus Deneve and Helen wouldn't simply congratz each other for the Yoki increase because it would be stupid they simply could've guessed that it will increase but a major increase would be something they will notify us about but a normal increase they are expecting.
This I believe is the key to understand how Yoki functions in claymores and other Yoki-using creatures because understanding how it function is an important step to understand Yoki as a source of power and life(in the case of ZAOs) but still none of that tells us that Yoki can't be increased it simply tells us warriors not only have to increase Yoki to get stronger they can get better compatibility and better usage to get the same result if not better!Quote:
As for Clare, she is a special case being 1/4 and having Tersa inside are things that really makes her an unreliable source of knowledge but still she is a Claymore which in that matter is how we should treat her not as Teresa or another being and by understanding all theses cases she has but yet she still has a little Yoki but no matter who faced her none has lived to see her improvement except for Ophelia which she complimented her improvements but only mentioned speed and strength because at that time she didn't release any Yoki even when she used the Quick Sword she actually released all her yoki in her hand so to be able to sense that would require a good sensory warrior and Ophelia isn't that good (because she didn't get that Clare lived when she cut her from her Yoki, she got it because of Clare's misjudgement). But truly you make me remember Freezing a manga in which only some humans are capable of becoming the warriors that can stop and kill the Novas (just like yomas in Claymore) but the thing is each one of them have a limited amount of how much they can take in and how much compatibility to Stigmas. This means the one with more stigmas they have the stronger they are but sometimes there are some who have less but better compatibility which resulted in being stronger than those and this would be your logic in other words but still that doesn't mean Yoki/Stigmas can't be increased.