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Thread: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    I never particularly got the whole thing about animal's rights and the self righteousness behind it. I completely agree in that needlessly torturing animals is wrong (more along the lines of pointless though) and we should protect the ecosystem but I don't quite see how either of those is being accomplished by fighting for this issue. Bullfighting bulls have no place in the ecosystem and the moment this is forbidden they also have no place in any form of farm (perhaps underground and clandestine bullfighting would be a nice place for them if such a thing ever does indeed become a thing). Its not like animals in their natural state don't kill for fun either. Once this stops are we going to stop dolphins, lions, mongooses and a number of other cute and not so cute animals from killing other stuff (such as sharks, baby lions and whatever runs into a mongoose) for the fun of it (or in the lion's case simply to get laid)?

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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shinsengumi View Post
    im not mad ,im just too objective and trying not to look at things from only humankind's perspective . we are killing the planet the same way cancer kills a metabolism
    surely if mankind goes on this way,we will suffer too much. as Itachi told kisame in volume 54 of naruto( ) those who kill others must be ready to be killed as well. if a torero (bullfighter) kills bulls,then he isn't allowed to complain if he will be hurted or even killed by a bull.If people want to prevent that,they better stop doing these actions.
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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    I wouldn't want bullfighting in my county but the traditional Spanish culture which created it was overall kinder to animals than the post-enlightenment West. In medieval, Catholic Europe there was no vivisection nor factory farming. But today Brits who stuff their face with battery chicken and use cosmetics tested on a rabbit's eyes, start lecturing the brown Dego people on how to treat animals after seeing something on the television. But they don't want to know about the cruelty involved behind closed doors to sustain their chosen decadent lifestyle. They know about it alright, they just don't want to be reminded, horrible little creatures.

    Anyways, I admire the values bullfighting claims to represent, but when Spaniards start talking about 'honour' and 'respecting the bull' when bulls are run through the streets with fireworks attached to their horns, they're insulting my intelligence lol. Today's bullfighting like the Roman arena has degraded to a tasteless, crude and populist spectacle, like soccer just with death and blood in it, and associating such televised mass entertainments with talk of nobility and high culture is absurd. But I've better things to do with my time than bash Europeans IMO. Animal protection activists here should start by banning the Jewish and Moslem ritual slaughter of animals, cosmetics tested on animals, and fur from animals raised for reasons other than food.
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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    The way i see it, both fighters (human and bull) put their lives on the line for the fight. Outsiders have no right to interfere with their business.

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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    Quote Originally Posted by nyamonyamo View Post
    The way i see it, both fighters (human and bull) put their lives on the line for the fight. Outsiders have no right to interfere with their business.
    That holds up until you realise that one party does not want to put its life on the life for a fight and has little choice regardless.
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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    Well, that's a very provoking topic.

    First of all, I'm against corrida in itself, since I don't like the cruelty no matter if it is against human or animals.

    The problem is a bit different. Even in Spain, from where corrida originated it's 50-50. So around half of the country is pro and half of the country is against it, but you should take in consideration several facts. Some of them were already discussed, but I would dare to repeat some of them.

    1. These bulls wouldn't even exist if not for corrida, since these types of bulls are specially breeded for the sole purpose of participating in corrida.
    2. These bulls live a long and great life, compared to other bulls and cows who live for the sole purpose of beeing eaten.
    3. When they get to the arena, they have the same chance to kill torreros and it happens quite often that torreros die. Well, it's a risky thing, so it's noit like these bulls can't defend themselves.
    4. These bulls aren't just some pets like cats who can't defend themselves. They are breeded for fighting a nd killing for centuries.
    5. Corrida industry actually gives quite some jobs in Spain and since they have an enormous unemplyment rate (around 25 % of the population), it isn't the time to provoke even biger problem for economy and society.
    6. The meat that remains after the killed bulls goes to the shops for people to eat, so it serves another purpose.

    P.S. No matter what, I'm against corrida, but the problem is more complicated than it looks from the first glance. We should first try to resolve other problems like cruelty towards other people, wars and staff like that, before we try to make lifes of animals better, since it just doesn't look right, when people think more about animals, than about their fellow spicies...
    For example, if people say that the bull doesn't want tofight, but then when you have a consitutional to go to army forces, but you don't want. But it's not a choice, you still have to go. Isn't it the same?
    So how come we can think about such problems, when we can't even resolve our own problems?

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    Re: Spanish Bullfighting: Animal Abuse or Cultural Heritage?

    cultural heritage, but I think it should be limited.


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