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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Indeed Googlez. But it isn't about how the animals are treated before slaughter, because that would be associating a human feeling to the animal of "feeling reprieved". It's in the same vane of "well, I gave someone an hour in the gardens before execution when I could've executed him immediately, doesn't he feel privileged?"
The important part is the circumstance of death. The manner of death involved in our steak can be considered torture (think it's beheading or bleeding to death). The manner of death in bullfighting can also be considered torture (chasing an animal that was likely scared out of it's wits.) Compare and contrast.
Because I do agree that it's out of date, and personally I wish it would be stopped. But on "my list" of what needs hell of a lot more attention regarding animal welfare, bullfighting is not a top priority! Factory farming animals on the other hand is. Factory farming animals not only suffer a stressful death just like the bull, but if the bull has lived a life on a grass paddock and a factory farming animal had a utterly horrible life and maybe been transported to the slaughterhouse crammed together in a truck with other animals for -too- many hours, which subject deserves our attention more?????
It's not that we should forget about bullfighting. Or can't deal with several issues at a time. But I just think that animals suffering when they are alive needs more attention than a bull suffering the last hour or so of it's life.
I disagree, this is also how animals are treated before slaughter. A lot of animals raised for food live in condition which can be compared in term of cruelty to the corrida. And it's not hours that we speak here but months. Not so much for beef, but quite common for chicken and porc industry. In comparison the several years (not 1 hour) that the corrida bulls live before the fight are paradise.
As for the farm animal death, in developed countries they are laws and regulations concerning the way animal are slaughtered and it shall be done the less painful as possible. Most of the time animals are KO before they are killed. Even religious slaughterings such as Casher and Halal meat allow it (I know since it was a recent debate in France).
And as for the animal death, yeah, I too live in a developed country, but nonetheless animals are sometimes not slaughtered properly (cases where pigs have been slaughtered just with a captive bolt, and nothing else, -and I do not appreciate halal as the animal is not unconscious when it get killed)
your message wasn't there when I started writing hence the repetition.
Totilas, that was my claim. I'm not preventing you from discussing anything. It's not like I have power over what you discuss here.
But still, isn't it attributing a human sense of mercy to say that suffering a lifetime versus suffering before death is different to an animal?
Imo, it's not about saving or who deserves more attention, this is a discussion place, it's about saying if bullfighting is abusive or cruel. Imo, it's abusive and cruel. In what proportion and if it's more or less abusive than other situations, then it would be another discussion (not saying you guys shouldn't have those other discussions here >< I'm trying to say that one topic doesn't mean that the other isn't a bad situation, and we don't need to pick wich one is the worst, or imply we shouldn't comment about one when there are others worse).
Yeah, thing is, since it's abusive and cruel to most people, we should be against its cultural heritage, even if there are worst cases ._. Again, one thing doesn't negate the other. But... that's IMO xD
Is it okay to judge bullfighting if you are a meat lover yourself?
Is it okay to judge the spanish people when we maybe in other developed countries are supporting something that is much worse? (for intance factory farming)
It's just not that simple IMO........
Well it is up to you to select the meat you choose to eat. There are some quality label that ensure that animals are treated correctly.
its an animal abusing cultural heritage : ) but i cant begin to critisize them when we have sacrifice feast ourselves (im against it too but its a much bigger taboo,its religion -_-)
and poeple made a good point about the animals in food industry . they are not even treated as living things
when i think about all of these together , i start to hate humanity very deeply to the point that i hope ice age comes soon and wipes us out and then the world can replenish itself
we are dangerous
back on the topic tho, bullfighting just sounds worse because they are doing it as a sports activity ,not for survival or anything ,they are doing it just for the fun of it and since its also internationally famous , attracts more attention than others
I kinda agree with k-dom, I don't think 'death' itself is a cruel thing.
And LOL Gumi, you're mad XD
im not mad ,im just too objective and trying not to look at things from only humankind's perspective . we are killing the planet the same way cancer kills a metabolism