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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    ^It seems as far as you`re concerned Sasuke can`t beat anyone... regardless of any conditions.

    Asuma had trouble keeping up with Hidan, even though Shikamaru was chasing him with his shadows... and Hidan is basically just a dude with a Scythe, without any jutsu... so what makes you think he`d fare any better against Sasuke?

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-354-22...apter-349.html

    Here you have an example of Sasuke`s swordsmanship without Sharingan. Add to that all his jutsu like Chidori, Hawk Summon, Fire Balls and stuff like Wires and Shurikens and of course also his analytical skills and you end up with with an Asuma in a body bag.

    Asuma may have been better then we think considering he was a guardian ninja etc. but pretty much all of his on-panel feats are mediocre at best, and thats what we have to go by.
    First of all this is Sasuke with no Sharingan.

    Meaning he has no knowledge of his swordmanship what so ever, because his swordsmanship only valid when he was Under Orocohimaru and had sharingan lol.

    Show proof Sasuke no sharingan ever did swordsmanship while he was under kakashi?

    Asuma had trouble keep up with Hidan? u think Hidan is weak? That guy took out 2 tail by himself...if we put 2 tail vs Sasuke without sharingan. U think sasuke have a chance of winning? He has no genjutsu what so ever, cannot read the guy movement.

    Also that guy u post that CS, even a genin able to defeat Curse Seal lv2...The sound of 4 is even powerful than random curse seal that sasuke slash.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Yeah... because you absolutely need a sharingan to learn how to fight with a sword... try telling that to Bee, Mifune, Darui, Omoi, Suigetsu etc.

    Sasuke not being capable of swordsmanship because he has no sharingan is just utterly ridiculous.

    Hidan, as much as I like him, is pretty much the weakest Akatsuki. Don`t get me wrong, thanks to his curse and immortality he`s just as deadly as any of his Akatsuki peers... but when it comes to raw offensive power and diversity then he can`t even hope to compete with any of them. Kakuzu... Deidara... Sasori... Kisame... Itachi... heck even Konan... all of them wield far more destructive power.

    And no, Hidan didn`t take on the 2tails by himself, Kakuzu was there too, who probably did most of the work, since Hidan isn`t even suited to take on such a giant cat made of chakra. But considering the whole fight was off-panel its completely meanigless anyway.

    And last but not least: It doesn`t matter how strong or weak that SC2 fodder dude was, because the scene simply shows off that Sasuke can use his sword skillfully even without use of his sharingan, nothing more, nothing less.
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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    And last but not least: It doesn`t matter how strong or weak that SC2 fodder dude was, because the scene simply shows off that Sasuke can use his sword skillfully even without use of his sharingan, nothing more, nothing less.
    Yea and we can even compare his Sword to Asuma wind ability that can pierce through stone/trees itself. Talk about how skillfull that is, If it was Asuma swing his blade to that CS2. he might even get chop by 1 swing

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-328-13...apter-323.html <- Look how fast Asuma created his jutsu, look at the weapon clearly he just let it go and perform jutsu.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-328-14...apter-323.html <- and Bam he able to get hold his weapon right back while he was performing a seal.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-330-12...apter-325.html <- look Asuma weapon cut off hidan head.

    Since Sasuke does not have sharingan he cannot see color of element chakra.. Pretty much he cant seee where it coming from. (Similar to Kisame and Asuma fight). Kisame couldn't see the color chakra of wind on Asuma weapon, that why his face got slice..

    LoL.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Can Sasuke use chidori and its variants? And does he have his sword or a sword considering Orochiimaru wouldn't give a shit about Sasuke without Sharingan? If yes to those, then I see Sasuke winning. Asuma's wind blade most likely won't stand a chance against Sasuke's chidori sword, so the blades may break if Sasuke hits the right place. Since Sasuke knows about weaknesses, Sasuke will likely do fire jutsu and go for raiton only when he's up close or needs to attack at range. If he gives Asuma time to do seals, his raiton attacks will be countered though, so it's all about the timing and speed of his attacks.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Can Sasuke use chidori and its variants? And does he have his sword or a sword considering Orochiimaru wouldn't give a shit about Sasuke without Sharingan? If yes to those, then I see Sasuke winning. Asuma's wind blade most likely won't stand a chance against Sasuke's chidori sword, so the blades may break if Sasuke hits the right place. Since Sasuke knows about weaknesses, Sasuke will likely do fire jutsu and go for raiton only when he's up close or needs to attack at range. If he gives Asuma time to do seals, his raiton attacks will be countered though, so it's all about the timing and speed of his attacks.
    How is it Asuma wind blade dont have any chance against Chidori Sword? It was specify there in naruto verse. Wind > Lightning. So asuma have advantage over Chidori sword. If both clash each other, Chidori sword will be the one to get cut not Asuma wind blade..

    Sasuke uses Fire / Raiton.
    Asuma uses Fire / Wind

    Sasuke may have Fire Jutsu, but asuma Fire Ash have advantage over Sasuke Fire jutsu.

    Asuma Fujin no jutsu... It only take 1 hand seal, Bird. So im guessing that creating 1 hand seal is faster than Fire jutsu hand seal to perform..

    Asuma can also penetrate like Raiton.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-322-17...apter-317.html

    So far Asuma Wind element can Cut and Pierce through...Same thing for Chidori sword it can cut and pierce through. But Asuma wind have advantage over lightning.
    Last edited by Lemonadez; March 04, 2012 at 03:36 PM.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Sasuke doesn't need to see chakra to know what element is being used. He didn't see "earth" chakra inside of Deidara's bombs, he just saw what handseals he was using and deduced they were earth jutsu, because they were earth handseals he was using (just like when Kakashi saw Kakuzu's earth handseal when he made his earth armor).

    Likewise we don't know if Asuma's wind blades work against Sasuke's Chidorigatana despite the elemental difference because Killerbee's raiton blades are sharper than fuuton, and they weren't sharp enough to cut through Sasuke's sword. By that logic Chidorigana is so strong the elemental difference won't matter. Remember, elemental affinity won't help if the attack is so strong it makes up for the weakness.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Asuma seems to be really powerful on paper, I believe he is a very underrated character. In saying that I can't see any scenario in which he could win. We have seen what Sasuke can do we haven't really seen the full extent of what Asuma can do.

    So from what we know this goes to Sasuke.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Sasuke doesn't need to see chakra to know what element is being used. He didn't see "earth" chakra inside of Deidara's bombs, he just saw what handseals he was using and deduced they were earth jutsu, because they were earth handseals he was using (just like when Kakashi saw Kakuzu's earth handseal when he made his earth armor).

    Likewise we don't know if Asuma's wind blades work against Sasuke's Chidorigatana despite the elemental difference because Killerbee's raiton blades are sharper than fuuton, and they weren't sharp enough to cut through Sasuke's sword. By that logic Chidorigana is so strong the elemental difference won't matter. Remember, elemental affinity won't help if the attack is so strong it makes up for the weakness.
    LoL, but you forgot that it was the Sharingan see through the hand seal. Maybe you forgotten to read that part? Where he said No matter how fast your hand seal My Sharingan can see through it.

    Yea the same thing for Kakashi, Kakashi was using his sharingan to see through it.

    But the point is that Chakra color aren't visible to normal eye.. As it was already shown against Kisame. U should have know how fast Kisame reaction speed, based on the pencil Bee threw he can see the raiton. But when Asuma uses wind on his weapon, Kisame couldn't see through that (because wind aren't actually visible in human eye).

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-38994-...apter-470.html
    LOL Where did it say there killerbee Raiton Pencil have sharp penetration than Futon?. It didn't say his Raiton blade are sharper than futon. If we look at Naruto Futon Rasen Shuriken and compare it to Killer Bee Raiton Pencil based on sharpness. It clearly FRS win because it can cut down all the way to cellular level..

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-322-14...apter-317.html <- just read what Asuma said.

    Because the wind blade he used against Kisame was so thin and cut his face, He couldn't see through it. LOL while he can see through Pencil Raiton.

    Anyway why are you using Bee Raiton Vibration and compare it to Sasuke Chidori Sword?. Bee never used his Raiton vibration over sasuke. I dont know where u get that Idea bee used Raiton on sasuke sword.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-416-19...apter-411.html <- Here it was shown where Sasuke Chidori sword. Look closely at Bee Blade, it doesn't have any Raiton vibration
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-416-20...apter-411.html <- Here you can see Sasuke Chidori sword hitting Bee blade and look what Bee did, He just channeled his chakra. He didn't use any Raiton Penetration.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-416-21...apter-411.html <- You can even see it on this next page. There is no Raiton knife what so ever.

    If Kisame also see Asuma throwing his Kunai it would be the same as killer be Raiton pencil vibration..

    Bee Pencil raiton penetrated to Trees and stop at the ground.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-38994-...apter-470.html
    Asuma Wind blade penetraded through trees and pierce the rock with limited chakra.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-322-17...apter-317.html

    So Asuma wind blade are even far more superior than Bee Raiton Vibration..
    Last edited by Lemonadez; March 04, 2012 at 04:17 PM.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    oh whoopsie, got my elemental weakness confused, haha. I still think Sasuke will win as his chidori variants are more versatile. Chidori nagashi can take out Asuma for a while if he gets too close, while Sasuke can extend the length of his chidori blade to stab Asuma while he's distracted.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    If he's using only one handseal there's no way he'll use his hands fast enough that he won't notice the one movement, especially since his hands stay in that position throughout the attack.

    He doesn't have to see the color to know what element it is because it's never been canonically proven that different elements have different colored chakra. Not to mention it's a projectile and he won't use it at point blank range. How do you think ninja without the Sharingan know to cancel an oncoming projectile with a projectile of their own? He choreographs the attack on his own by breathing in and then spitting the jutsu out.

    As for all the crap you posted underneath, you saw in the first scan you posted that his swords have greater piercing power than Fuuton. Kisame states it in the first scan. And stop trying to make his raiton sword look different in two instances where it was the exact same damn thing. He only calls his swords "Super Vibrato Knives" as a name for his raiton charged weapons, there's no difference. That means when he was using it against Sasuke he did the same exact thing he did against Kisame. It was just a blade with raiton charged through it. Likewise the pencil was just a pencil, not a specially made weapon meant to allow chakra to flow through it like Sasuke's sword or Asuma's knuckle knives. It would've done the same damage otherwise.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    @Ninjabot.

    You said a while ago

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Likewise we don't know if Asuma's wind blades work against Sasuke's Chidorigatana despite the elemental difference because Killerbee's raiton blades are sharper than fuuton, and they weren't sharp enough to cut through Sasuke's sword. By that logic Chidorigana is so strong the elemental difference won't matter. Remember, elemental affinity won't help if the attack is so strong it makes up for the weakness.
    I replied with this
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-38994-...apter-470.html

    It doesn't say there that its "Sharper". all it say there that it has more "Penetration". Cutting and Penetrating are not the same...

    Yes different element has different color chakra, otherwise Sasuke wouldn't say anything about the "Color Chakra". LOL. Like it said the color chakra (Nature chakra) isn't visible to human eye..
    Last edited by Lemonadez; March 04, 2012 at 04:43 PM.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    That was Tenten and the Elemental Fan...
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    Ino is like the Magikarp of Naruto lmao.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    No Asuma destroyed the mask.

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Quote Originally Posted by vanyar View Post
    No Asuma destroyed the mask.
    No, Ten-ten destroyed the mask with the Banana Palm Fan: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/533/2

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    Re: No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

    Nah... it was Asuma who did it.

    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/533
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/533/2

    Infact, TenTen just says "Wow, he took out the Lightning Mask!" Then starts talking about the fan she just found.

    ---------- Post added at 03:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:07 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonadez
    I replied with this
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-38994-...apter-470.html

    It doesn't say there that its "Sharper". all it say there that it has more "Penetration". Cutting and Penetrating are not the same...
    Yes it is. You're thinking of piercing and cutting being different. There's no doubt that raiton increases piercing power, but it also increases cutting power, or else Sasuke wouldn't bother coating his sword when performing slashing attacks.

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