No-Sharingan Sasuke vs Asuma

[ninjabot]

Asuma makes a huge cloud of Ash and smoke to conceal himself from Sasuke...

Sasuke creates Chidori Eisou, fires it through the cloud, and stabs Asuma directly in the forehead...

Or...

Sasuke summons a hawk, makes it flap it's wings, and blows the cloud away...

Or...

Sasuke summons a hawk and flies above the cloud so that he can see Asuma...

Or...

Sasuke shoots a Katon at the cloud as it's coming out of Asuma's mouth, causing his head to explode from a mouthful of ignited ash...

Or...

Sasuke fires a machine-gun fast volley of shuriken through the cloud at every angle, perforating Asuma, who also can't see through the cloud...

Or...

Sasuke simply outruns the explosion thanks to his divine speed...

You didn't think this one through, lol.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Once again, Bee was cutting so fast he was a literal blur. We've never seen Asuma attack with that level of speed (and never will). And Sasuke parried the vast majority of Bee's strikes without a Sharingan, meaning we know for a fact his naked eyesight is all he needs to parry whatever Asuma's swinging at him. Not to mention 7 knives>>2. Sasuke only had one sword against those 7, but his quick reaction time and expertise in Kenjutsu allowed him to stay alive throughout the beginning of their exchange.

It's gonna be a herculean task trying to convince me Asuma's hand-to-hand techniques are comperable to Bee's. That's a losing battle.

Point being, if they clash, Asuma has the advantage in both element and range since Hien extends pretty far ( thus having a better reach than any of Sasuke's Raiton jutsu except Chidori Sword/Spear ), something that Sasuke doesn't know:
like Bee surprised him by stopping his sword Asuma can too, of course unless Asuma gets lucky it wouldn't be that great of a wound. And parry two wind blades is, again, a bad idea, unless his Kusanagi is indestructible, which we don't know

@Uchiha_Blood

As i said. Sasuke is chaneling chidori trough his sword(not just raiton chakra like Asuma is doing with JUST his wind chakra) and i belive that means his sword is going to take some hits before braking.

Kirin is not that hard to make. It only takes some minutes and if Sasuke can pull it off with 1 jutsu + whatever Amaterasu was providing... He can just chill in the air and make it. Also Asuma has nothing to shoot the bird down lol. So he will be stuck on the ground looking up as the storm is coming.

If Sasuke is dodging Bee with no sharingan Asuma is childs play. Bee displayed speed out of Asuma league and a special unorthodox fighting style(stated by Suigetsu) with MULTIPLE SWORDS that Asuma can't even dream about.

Aside from Sasuke charging in like a moron he displayed clear tactical skills above Asuma. Asuma was more or less asking Shika to come up with something lol.
Let's see:
Vs Orochimaru he was smart enough to hold off up to the point Oro was weak and take his hands out before engaging.
Vs Deidara he was smart enough to fighure out how the mines work and set up a awsome plan to get that idiot off his bird and direcly in his own minefield lol. Then at the last second he formed a plan how to get his but out of there by summoning the snake.
Vs Raikage he placed Amaterasu on Susano so Raikage can't hit him. Not really tactical skill but its something.
Vs Danzou he again formulated a plan and figured out how Izanagi works and HOW to counter it... Karin was able to figure out how its working but not how to counter it as her advice was the wrong one.

What feats do you have for Asuma? Playing that game like chess (forgot its name)? Sasuke has the clear advantage in feats. Asuma has ... Well close to nothing lol.

Kirin isn't hard, but it is taxating, and without Amaterasu's flames and possibly CS2 to empower his attacks, he will need more of those fire dragons, thus being even more taxating; still Sasuke hasn't the Sharingan that drains his reserves, so that can go smoothly.

Regarding Sasuke's tactical skills, I find impressive only those with Deidara and Danzou, since:
-with Oro, he used common sense, not analytical skills ( strike someone who is weak is using common sense )
-against the Raikage he couldn't hope to even follow his movements, so he covered himself with his strongest defence, letal against Taijutsu users

To be fair about Asuma, the guy only fought 3 enemies in the manga, all of three were Akatsuki members. What analytical skills he needed against Kisame if, after wounding him, Kakashi interfered? What analytical skills he needed against Hidan and Kakuzu if he trusted Shikamaru to be the mind of the team? Or what, he should've said "No Shikamaru, I'm the leader, you stay back and don't use your incredible IQ".
He trusted Shikamaru, one of the most intelligent charas of the manga to watch his back, and in they end they ended (lol) Hidan. Shame that Kakuzu reattached his head soon after.
Not to say that he is a genius, but that he didn't had any occasion to show his smarts.

P.S almost forgot, he also fought those 8 oto's fodders lol.
How easy is to forget about them

[xXan]

@Uchiha_Blood

Let's say he needs 2x the numbers of dragons. Then only some 2 minutes later tops the clouds where already there. Its something he can pull off considering he can chill on his bird as Asuma has nothing to take him down.

Well that is the hole point. He has lame battles with no feats. The absense of feats is not working in his favor when Sasuke has clear feats.

[Uchiha_Blood]

@Uchiha_Blood

Let's say he needs 2x the numbers of dragons. Then only some 2 minutes later tops the clouds where already there. Its something he can pull off considering he can chill on his bird as Asuma has nothing to take him down.

Well that is the hole point. He has lame battles with no feats. The absense of feats is not working in his favor when Sasuke has clear feats.

Well, he would be exhausted after that, and the hawk isn't exactly fast or durable.

And it isn't like Asuma had lame battles, the guy wounded Kisame and avoided to be slaughtered in a close-range fight, and against Hidan most characters of the manga would be in the same situation than him, since even Shikamaru needed a good bit of time to figure out Hidan's powers.
He wasn't lame, he simply didn't have any occasion to show off

[ninjabot]

Sasuke wouldn't need greater heat just to create Kirin, because he was about to use Kirin against Naruto, Sai, Sakura, and Yamato back at Orochimaru's hideout. The extra heat from Amaterasu only made the attack bigger. And Sasuke doesn't need a mountain-buster to stop Asuma. A weaker, smaller Kirin that still hits as fast as the original Kirin is still enough to end the fight.

And where is it ever shown that Sasuke's hawk isn't fast? It's a HAWK. By nature it's fast if it's flying, provided it has time to pick up speed. When trying to shoot birds out of the sky hunters line up their shots according to how they're flying. Asuma would need to do the same if he ever wanted to shoot Sasuke's hawk down. The difference here is the birds shot down by hunters don't ever watch the hunters and time their dodges to avoid bullets. Sasuke's hawk would attempt to avoid Asuma's attacks by way of knowing Asuma is the enemy, just like how he dodged Danzou's Fuuton inorder to help Sasuke get in to kill Danzou.

The Danzou instance also brings up another big point. I forget who said it, but they claimed that fuuton would be an advantage against Sasuke's hawk. Why would Asuma's, if Danzou's didn't?

Point being, if they clash, Asuma has the advantage in both element and range since Hien extends pretty far ( thus having a better reach than any of Sasuke's Raiton jutsu except Chidori Sword/Spear ), something that Sasuke doesn't know

Any of them? He doesn't have better reach than Chidori Senbon, which is a projectile or Chidori Nagashi, which can travel along the ground or around him in an AoE manner. Not to mention both of these jutsu are higher in rank than Hien.

[xXan]

Well, he would be exhausted after that, and the hawk isn't exactly fast or durable.

And it isn't like Asuma had lame battles, the guy wounded Kisame and avoided to be slaughtered in a close-range fight, and against Hidan most characters of the manga would be in the same situation than him, since even Shikamaru needed a good bit of time to figure out Hidan's powers.
He wasn't lame, he simply didn't have any occasion to show off

He had lame battles. Kisame was using no jutsus at that point... Also the fight was very short.
I also said "lame battles" not that he was lame... Big diference and lame battles is what they where as he was not able to show off anything special.

As for how exhausted Sasuke is going to be after Kirin... Why is that relevant as Asuma would be gone?
Also the hauk is a damn bird, it is fast enough and Asuma has nothing to shoot it down if Sasuke takes for the sky.

[Oathencrantz]

Nah... it was Asuma who did it.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/533
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/533/2

Infact, TenTen just says "Wow, he took out the Lightning Mask!" Then starts talking about the fan she just found.

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Yes it is. You're thinking of piercing and cutting being different. There's no doubt that raiton increases piercing power, but it also increases cutting power, or else Sasuke wouldn't bother coating his sword when performing slashing attacks.

Look at the very last paragraph of Kakuzu's entry: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kakuzu

Also, from what I could see from that particular manga page, you see Ten-ten use the fan and the lightening heart getting splattered. Looking at the angle, you could be right but I dunno.

Also, would it be possible to refer to the fan as 'he' rather than 'it', or is that too improper?

[ninjabot]

I didn't know the wiki stated it, but I do see that in that manga panel she's standing on the side of the attack, while it not only looks identical to Asuma's attack, but it's coming to her side, like she's just watching it approach:http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/533/2

I guess she may have controlled the wind and guided it to Kakuzu, or strengthened the attack with the fan.