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* Except the manga doesn’t present it as such, which is the point.
* Again, if you are claiming that summoning a boss cost a lot of chakra and that Sasuke could do so with only a fraction of his chakra, then you’re claiming he has a massive amount. And not really. The cost of a technique has always been spoken about in relations to how much it would cost an average person, with unique expectations called out for being unique.
*The punch would have only used chakra upon release, and if Sasori separated himself, there would have been no release and thus no chakra usage. And not only were we told she was at her limits, but she was in terrible conditions afterward.
* And where is it mentioned that the one sending Katsuya chakra is using the technique? The manga makes it quite clear that Katsuya is doing the healing, and is merely using their chakra to enhance it, thus the reason it was capable of still doing so even when Tsunade was nearly out of chakra.
* No, Tsunade hasn’t. That best feat she has was protecting everyone, with literally cost her everything and involved people still being injured. And she has done basically nothing impressive with Katsuya this entire war. You have to justify the idea that Sakura was not only capable of using her seal without releasing it to heal and power up, but to do so in a way that she could apparently heal far more people then Tsunade without being drained of chakra, all done with chakra that was only stored up for three years as oppose to Tsunade being completely drained after using chakra stored over a equal and previously longer time.
* And once again, the context implies gaining the seal, not the activation. The very fact that later on we see her and Tsunade activating it supports this, as there would be no reason for her to activate it if it was already activated.
* She didn’t “decide to talk rather than heal”, she spoke as she healed. And if it wasn’t so problematic, then Shizune wouldn’t have been in such an uproar about it.
* But there was barely any blood lost and damage.
* When did he sense Madara? And that doesn’t mean anything, as it’s completely possible he simply judged by the difference in chakra amounts, especially given that the Zetsu’s chakra was undetectable from the regular ninjas, thus the whole reason they needed Naruto’s help .
* You are the one who brought up giving others chakra as a common ability, which completely shoots down the idea that Tsunade would be able to outlast the boys if such was the case.
* The point is that you bring up their lost to a genin means nothing when that’s not unique at all. And we have two difference sources telling us that fighting the Sound Four would require high ranking opponents.
* Where was that at then, if you please. “Everything else” is all their other abilities, such as strength and speed, fighting ability. Even going by the databook, the only areas besides smarts that Sakura was better in were handsigns and genjutsu, the latter something she didn’t even use.
* You suggested Kakashi’s comment was about more than speed, despite the only thing Haku showed before that point was speed. Kakashi didn’t see any of his other abilities, so how could his comment about skills not have been mainly about speed?
* You claim she would be able to hit them, and that’s highly unlikely as far as we have been shown. How was this, and this not easily avoiding her blows?
* Kakashi's comment was that Sasuke shouldn't have been able to use the technique in the first place, which doesn't mean anything when he was capable of using a much larger version several years earlier.
* Her attempting to move it means she's not playing attention to the boys... And Sakura didn't take a direct hit and was still knocked down. That works out perfectly for the boys gaining an opening.
* And again, why could it (them interacting a plan without needing to speak of it) not be replicated here? Exactly what would prevent them from doing that in this situation.
* And she follows them, with them all moving in the same direction. She was right behind them when they began to run away from her…
* Um, that his Lightning Cloak was the source of his great defensiveness. I said that already.
* There’s nothing wrong with my logic.
* So me merely claiming that the boys only win against Tsunade when she’s incapable of doing anything after she gets hit with the effects of her seal, as oppose to claiming they easily kill her with their techniques or abilities, is not giving her the benefit of a doubt ?
* Because the user is reacting to events that will happen, not what is happening, meaning their opponent’s reaction is already known and accounted for.
* She blocked what he told her to block, not where the attack was heading. And the fact that she was incapable of changing where she blocked despite having a clear view of Kabuto coming straight at her fully shoots down the idea that she would be able to block or counter Sasuke coming straight at her, especially when Sasuke would be easily able to change where his attack is going to hit. But that means nothing, since as you yourself has mentioned, that didn’t stop her from hitting Kabuto moments before, so said injuries clearly had no affect on her ability to fight back.
* Um, no, those are two different things. Him reacting to something being wrong is far different then him noticing her get up and come at him like you said.
* How is it not several moves when we are shown several versions of Naruto making several different actions at the same time? Aside from the fact that you seem to have missed the part where Naruto wasn't simply running the entire time (he had fallen and had to get up), there's also the fact that Sasuke saw not only what Naruto was doing, but what he was going to do before that, that clearly increases the "average" time.
* Um, the databook, as mentioned earlier. I brought that up the last time you asked.
* And by that point, she'll have lost as the other simply has to wait her out. Said healing would be slow, and by all accounts wouldn't solve the main problem of her being out of chakra, which has been the point.
* Considering the cloak can be extended, range is still there. As for the damage, both are literal explosions upon hit. But they aren't different, that was literally a key point in the manga. Naruto literally used it as an actual Bijuu Blast in his complete cloak to counter the Bijuu Blasts of the other Bijuus.
* And given that the two other examples have no delay of Naruto getting the Kyuubi's chakra after asking for it, how is this example not flawed as claim? I have been explaining exactly why it's flawed the majority of this two, using all the other examples to support said claim.
* Not at all, especially when up against someone neither faster or possessing a range means of attack, not to mention the various means that Naruto has to buy a second or two, like his clones or one of Sasuke's distractions.
* Aside from him being summoned meaning he should be expecting something, the only way that could work is if Katsuya launched the attack before Gamabunta was actually summoned and it can't do that because it won't know when such is done. Because as already shown, once Gamabunta is on the field, it won't have much trouble avoiding or countering the attack.
* They were made in the middle of Ee's shunshin, in between us being shown Ee starting and then ending his attack.
* That doesn't fit with anything the manga has told us. Naruto is always drawing upon the Kyuubi's chakra, thus the reason his control is screwed up, so by that reasoning there's nothing preventing Naruto from drawing it out at will whenever he wishes.
* Again, when was it ever shown that less chakra meant weaker clones? Naruto's fight with Gaara and Neji, and Sarutobi's fight with Orochimaru would all show differently.
* Really? Even though the issue was the claim about a thousand clones using the Rasengan, and the records specifically showing that was not said, you have no clue? Whatever.
* Those clones held on for a little more then that, enough time to fool Neji, and to hold and seal the Edo Hokages. Aside from the fact that Sasuke's taijutsu isn't generic, it's the same style as Lee, there are reasons, such as the fact that even with her strength, she barely did any damage to Orochimaru and no damage to Kabuto.
* But it wasn't, as I pointed out. He didn't try to use it against Orochimaru, which was the far most serious situation. And he only used it against Itachi because he believed it would help against being caught in a genjutsu, as oppose to going up against two S-rank ninjas. And in the Forest of Death, he used his wind ninjutsu, showed killing intent, and a giant summonings. Kabuto wasn't preoccupied with anything and where was this apparent limitation shown at? So what you are now saying is that Kabuto was fully capable of summoning Manda as I said before? And Manda himself counts, not his actions that he took on his own.
* Creating a Rasengan isn't a speed feat, and quite sure it was Hiraishin.
* Because after the events with Orochimaru, Naruto decided not to use the Kyuubi's chakra anymore. He didn't decide to try again to control it til after the events at the summit.
* No it wouldn't, since getting through the cloak would be quiet different then getting through a solid defence. The current arc has shown us how durable the cloak is, and we've seen how durable pure chakra is with Neji. Except we can because we know the power behind Sasuke's fireball. Which doesn't change the original point, that the shout has physical force behind it, since I both it and a weaker example along with the stronger one to show as such. Aside from Sasuke having an electric attack, which would be quite useful against someone in water, she'll eventually have to come up and there's no way that she can adequately defend and claim out of the water at the same time.
I started reading, and then realised that I couldn't be bothered to care enough to respond at this point; the discussion has devolved that much. I'm soundly of the opinion that when you've gone for an extended period where more of the conversation has to do with other characters, spanning the gambit from Oro to Sakura to Temari to the Sandaime Raikage, basic mathematical concepts, parsing language, and I said/You said, rather than the individuals in the match-up, it's probably a lost cause. We pretty much disagree on everything. I think Tsunade wins, you think otherwise. Moving on...