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Translations: Bleach 600 by BadKarma
I think Itachi is being too overestimated while Orochimaru is too underestimated. Orochimaru was moving his hands slowly, but he was moving them. Itachi just struck before he had a chance to dispel the genjutsu.
And then there is the fact that Itachi still must deal with the strain on his body because of his techniques, which will not lessen even with renewed chakra stores. At some point the wear and strain is going to be too much for him to utilise his doujutsu, not to mention how much it will weaken him physically. And as we have seen, any serious use of ms techniques reduces the user to an almost useless combatant. There is no simple way to overcome the high costs of the mangekyou sharingan.
If an individual, or in this case a team, is able to survive against the power of the mangekyou for a reasonable amount of time...the battle turns heavily in their favour. I believe the Sannin have shown the abilities necessary to do just that, even with the added threat of Kisame.
Last edited by Impossibility; March 10, 2012 at 09:31 PM.
Jiraiya solos Itachi and Kisame at best, at worst he ties with them. Under no circumstance do Itachi and Kisame win. However, since Jiraiya has support, he might as well make use of them. Sannin for the win. Orochimaru might die on the way, or Taunade might die along the way, or Orochimaru and Tsunade die along the way, but Jiraiya is last man standing.
Itachi is super overrated, tbh. Very much so. He stands no chance versus The Sannin by himself, he can barely solo Jiraiya, imo. Jiraiya can fight Itachi and Orochimaru can take on Kisame. Tsunade can provide support for either one of them if they need it. If The Legendary Three need more bodies they can summon all their respective animals, and if Susano'o makes an appearance Jiraiya can use Swamp of the Underworld to stall it for a valuable few seconds. If Susano'o throws it's laser discus Orochimaru can summon Rashomon.
People are taking Oro way too lightly nowadays, which is kinda sad. In the current stages of the manga he'd still be one of the most dangerous shinobi.
How does Itachi not stand a chance against Jiraiya or barely solos him? Itachi's a master of genjutsu, very good in taijutsu, and good in ninjutsu. Jiraiya wouldn't be able to keep up with him, and that's if Itachi doesn't use genjutsu to take out Jiraiya temporarily. Jiraiya has not shown anything in his arsenal that could take on Itachi... maybe Kisame, but definitely not Itachi.
Orochimaru can, though, especially since he has partners. Am I the only one who thinks Orochimaru could have broken out of the genjutsu if he had enough time? He was slowly moving his hands, he was close, but Itachi cut his hand off right before that. Which is weird considering Itachi could have cut Orochimaru's head off easily and be done there and then.
Kisame on Jiriaiya:
He is on a whole other level.
Itachi on Jiriaya:
even if we had reinforcements, the result would be no different
Add in Orochimaru and Tsunade, instant Sannin win.
Kisame and Itachi win this with some minor difficulties.
Madaras Susanoo is already enough to take on five Kage, and Itachi's Susanoo is even more powerful thanks to Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuka.
Katsuyu and Bunta get sealed by Totsuka as soon as they pop up, Manda is the only summon which is potentially fast and elusive enough to avoid the blade for extended time, but the purple guy is susceptible to Sharingan Genjutsu so he'll end up paralyzed soon enough... or even worse: turned against the Sannins.
Any attacks the Sannins can launch will get reflected back, and even if one of them somehow manages to sneak behind Itachi to launch an attack from behind, its not like they have the means to break through Susanoo in one go.
And unlike some people seem to believe, Susanoo isn't making the user stationary, but instead Itachi can move around freely, making full use of his Sharingan, speed an skillful movement, thus any of the Sannin will have one hell of a time just dodging the Totsuka Blade.
Add to that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi and on top of that Kisame and you have three dead Sannins pretty soon... unless Jiraiya uses his magical hair of course.
Maybe by means of chapter 144 page 9 no Jutsu... but definitelly not by actual manga feats.Quote:
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How about making a rule against that dreaded page?
Last edited by LnDRash; March 10, 2012 at 09:27 AM.
Well Itachi pretty much stated himself that Jiraiya was too tough for him. Itachi and Kisame pretty much fled when Jiraiya confronted them.
It's a no brainer, Sannin take this no problem.
btw snakes and frogs and slugs are all good with water , its very hard to imagine what would rly happen if kisame launched the water dome , maybe it could be even used against them
That cant be used as proof tbh
So your telling me that I can't accept a character's own view on his own abilities? Itachi says he cannot defeat Jiraiya, this debate is including Itachi and jiraiya why would I not accept that?
Itachi vs Jiraiya from what weve seen should atleast be a 50/50.
In your opinion, that's the problem. Why use opinion when we can use fact?