Akatsuki vs. Edo Madara

[Mack]

Yes, Kages are strong as hell, but som,ebody already did the compare test. Would the \kages stand against entire Akatsuki? No, definitelly. So akatasuki seem to be stronger.

And even kages might have a small chance to win against Madara. They probably are going to win (we will see in manga, if it is true). So what about akatsuki? Yes, akatsuki can defeat edo Madara.

[Skidmore]

How. The hell. Do Itachi or Nagato know Madara's abilities very well? They haven't fought against Shodai, they have no clue.
Tobi is the only one who posses only some threat to Madara (mainly intelligence, not the abilities), other than that it's nope.avi for entire Akatsuki and their efforts. What are they going to do against 5 Susano'o Madaras going against each of the member? They are outnumbered and don't even have the firepower to deal with either Meteor strike or Madara's clone army, which funnily enough is not even a threat to Madara...sealing is.

And yes, Madara is toying with Kages. "5vs1 is the only way to have FUN" - Madara in last chapter.

Well since Madara's abilities are Itachi and Nagatos own, they really know them very well, everything Madara showed to us until now it's no news, we know every single ability he used.

Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, and all the six paths abilities, Nagato know all this shit very well.... It took a combined effort of Bee, Naruto and Itachi to take him down.

And them we have Itachi, it's sad that Totsuka and Yata Mirror are not allowed..... His susanoo with those weapons is superior to that of Madara.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Well since Madara's abilities are Itachi and Nagatos own, they really know them very well, everything Madara showed to us until now it's no news, we know every single ability he used.

Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, and all the six paths abilities, Nagato know all this shit very well.... It took a combined effort of Bee, Naruto and Itachi to take him down.

And them we have Itachi, it's sad that Totsuka and Yata Mirror are not allowed..... His susanoo with those weapons is superior to that of Madara.

It would be pretty unfair imho to add other advantages to the Aka, I mean they are 10 on 1

[shafagh]

Madara would use mighty Kage Bunshin jutsu and it would turn to 100 vs 10 !!!!

this Kage bunshin ruined story ...

[IChallengeYou!]

Well since Madara's abilities are Itachi and Nagatos own, they really know them very well, everything Madara showed to us until now it's no news, we know every single ability he used.

??????? It's the other way around, and they have no clue about Hashirama's Jutsu he posses.

Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, and all the six paths abilities, Nagato know all this shit very well.... It took a combined effort of Bee, Naruto and Itachi to take him down.

What???? You're seriously going to compare Bee, Naruto and Itachi to, let's say, 5 Edo Madara's?! And Nagato has no idea about Susanoo, Amaterasu and Tsukyomi. He did see Edo Itachi use Susanoo and got owned straight away, so maybe i'll let that one pass.

And them we have Itachi, it's sad that Totsuka and Yata Mirror are not allowed..... His susanoo with those weapons is superior to that of Madara.

Itachi may have a better Susanoo, but even his Susanoo cannot withstand meteor and tree spamming, Susanoo defended Madara's going against him. Also, since other Akatasuki bar Tobi, Itachi and Nagato are nothing short but useless against other Madara's, guess what will happen when they're finished? Here's a hint:

It's going to hurt a lot for the three of them, and the real Edo Madara is going to laugh his head off.

[Skidmore]

Itachi may have a better Susanoo, but even his Susanoo cannot withstand meteor and tree spamming, Susanoo defended Madara's going against him. Also, since other Akatasuki bar Tobi, Itachi and Nagato are nothing short but useless against other Madara's, guess what will happen when they're finished? Here's a hint:

It's going to hurt a lot for the three of them, and the real Edo Madara is going to laugh his head off.

Dude, Itachi Susanoo have Yata Mirror. The Susanoo it's almost indestructible, Itachi Susanoo with Yata Mirror makes him near invencible. The Shield can assume any property, and makes any attack Ineffective... It took a full blast of Kirin like it was nothing, the Meteor would do nothing to it.

And a single hit of the Totsuka Sword, Madara is dead... This is the main reason these weapons were not allowed in this Thread. Otherwise Madara would stood no chance to the Aka.

[RezzieThaRapper]

Actually... I only said the Genjutsu Sword Totsuka isn't allowed...

There are no offensive capabilities for the Yata Mirror... it's allowed 100%

That being said... Itachi is human and not an Edo... he still can overuse Susanno'o... once that would happen he would be a sitting duck...

[DementedKirby]

Pain alone could handle the meteors by Shinra Tensei them away or Chibaku Tensei or even using the missiles from Asura Path to blow them up (as if Deidara wouldn't be able to do that anyways. Also, no one knows how to use the Rin'negan better than Nagato. Nagato can also apparently resurrect people who've just died. If any non-immortal Akatsuki members die he can simply revive them (think Phoenix Down). Nagato can blow away the pollen from Madara's flower forest world. Besides, the moment Human Realm rips out Madara's soul, it's over.

Itachi knows about the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan so Madara's attacks won't be a surprise. Either way, Itachi can keep Akatsuki up to speed as Madara uses the Sharingan abilities. Besides the fact that Itachi is broken and had the Sword and Shield. Itachi can set fire to Madara's flower forest world.

If Madara were to create a hundred wood clones, Sasori alone has like a 100 puppets, Pain has 6 bodies, and Kakuzu has 5 monsters. Konan's exploding paper jutsu can also help out with that.

Tobi can warp people away who are in danger. He really doesn't do anything else besides that, but that within itself is an epic support. Also, he can turn intangible, so how's Madara gonna hit him?

Zetsu can phase into the ground and can drain chakra without even being detected. He can also regenerate like a goop and he's two in one.

Don't even get me started on Kisame, the beast. Samehada, jinchuuriki level chakra. The gargantuan water prison, intelligence, long list of A-rank water jutsu. He alone can provide distraction to Madara and counter Madara's wide range jutsu with his own wide range justu.

Hidan's immortality is challenge in itself. Hidan can get in real close to Madara no problem cuz he can't even die. So he can provide more than enough distraction for Madara while Tobi teleports Human Realm close enough to rip his soul out.

[shinsengumi]

do you seriously believe hidan can distract madara ? not in a billion years

[IChallengeYou!]

Madara doesn't even need to try here, just spam clones who will use different wood+fire techniques, while being covered in susanoo, and the real one summons metorites. It becomes even more than an overkill if Madara decides to allow the clones to use Rinnegan/EMS too.

For Itachi to use his Totsuka (which isn't allowed anyway), he needs to know which clone is real(no time for this, rest of Akatsuki dead), and be close as well to the target...If the clones have the ability to use Rinnegan, he won't come even close by. Assuming Madara will also have shared vision, chance of getting him off guard will be about 0.1%. Madara can use his wood to block Pain's shared vision. Madara can also immobilize or at least slow down Itachi's susanoo with wood. Wood is going to be a major technique from Madara this fight, since it opens so many ways for Madara to attack with...He has it all he needs for this fight: firepower, defense, numbers and intelligence.

Not a chance for Akatsuki.

As for your question on "how will Madara hit Tobi", it's simple...When other Akatsuki are in their graves, Madara clones can hit continiously with fire+wood (since it's going to be a platoon vs 1 guy), and after it wears out, they will "kill" him. Yeah, he'll use Izanagi, but that will only prompt the clones to do the same thing again. Not that hard, and this time Tobi is dead. If Tobi would decide to go and kill Kabuto (assuming they somehow figure out who's behind it), he would have no clue how to stop it properly, kills Kabuto, and there you go we have an Edo Madara who can ONLY be sealed.

Unfortunatly, Akatsuki sucks at that.

[Skidmore]

Madara doesn't even need to try here, just spam clones who will use different wood+fire techniques, while being covered in susanoo, and the real one summons metorites. It becomes even more than an overkill if Madara decides to allow the clones to use Rinnegan/EMS too.

For Itachi to use his Totsuka (which isn't allowed anyway), he needs to know which clone is real(no time for this, rest of Akatsuki dead), and be close as well to the target...If the clones have the ability to use Rinnegan, he won't come even close by. Assuming Madara will also have shared vision, chance of getting him off guard will be about 0.1%. Madara can use his wood to block Pain's shared vision. Madara can also immobilize or at least slow down Itachi's susanoo with wood. Wood is going to be a major technique from Madara this fight, since it opens so many ways for Madara to attack with...He has it all he needs for this fight: firepower, defense, numbers and intelligence.

Not a chance for Akatsuki.

As for your question on "how will Madara hit Tobi", it's simple...When other Akatsuki are in their graves, Madara clones can hit continiously with fire+wood (since it's going to be a platoon vs 1 guy), and after it wears out, they will "kill" him. Yeah, he'll use Izanagi, but that will only prompt the clones to do the same thing again. Not that hard, and this time Tobi is dead. If Tobi would decide to go and kill Kabuto (assuming they somehow figure out who's behind it), he would have no clue how to stop it properly, kills Kabuto, and there you go we have an Edo Madara who can ONLY be sealed.

Unfortunatly, Akatsuki sucks at that.

Dude, you are overestimating Madara, the clones are not at the same level of the real one, the are limits.... And you have to consider the 11 vs 1 factor, and one of them its Nagato, who is stronger than any of the Five Kages.

If we go only by power, I could say that Hiruzen and Jiraiya could kill the entire Akatsuki.

Jiraiya use the Sound Genjutsu, Hiruzen do some KageBushins + Death Jutsu = Akatsuki Down. They can do that, but it's too many people for them to fight at the same time, they would probably be killed before the chance to do that.

[vanyar]

Madara takes this.

If it was Madara in his prime, funny enough he would lose. But Modified Edo Madara takes this.

Most of Akatsuki would be taken down by 25 Susanoo'd Wood Clones. This will allow him to focus on the stronger members of Akatsuki all the while maintaining an excellent defence and invincibilty.

[Mack]

Madara takes this.

If it was Madara in his prime, funny enough he would lose. But Modified Edo Madara takes this.

Most of Akatsuki would be taken down by 25 Susanoo'd Wood Clones. This will allow him to focus on the stronger members of Akatsuki all the while maintaining an excellent defence and invincibilty.

Then explain it. Who are the weaker ones and who are the stronger ones? And how are the weaker gonna lose quickly?

[vanyar]

The weaker ones like Sasori, Hidan, Kakuzu and Deidara will be killed of easier considering they have no way to penetrate Susanoo's defences.

Add to the fact that they could be against 25. They will eventually be shot down. The more difficult ones would be Nagato, Itachi and Tobi. They would go down eventually

[IChallengeYou!]

Dude, you are overestimating Madara,

I'm not overestimating Madara when he made 5 KAGES look like damn fools.

the clones are not at the same level of the real one, the are limits

We will see that in the upcoming chapters.

.... And you have to consider the 11 vs 1 factor, and one of them its Nagato, who is stronger than any of the Five Kages.

??? There are 12 Akatsuki members (including Oro), 9 of them will get stomped by Susanoo clone platoon. Say, 5 on each of the members? And then when those 9 die, the 45 other Madara's are going to continue humilating the rest of the three. Madara is seriously having an upper hand here, how you cannot see this I do not understand, especially when those 9 members are no where near to what the Kages have shown us.

If we go only by power, I could say that Hiruzen and Jiraiya could kill the entire Akatsuki.

???? That's why your argument of "outnumbered" or "akatsuki are stronger than kages" doesn't work. Firepower barely means anything against Edo Madara. He MUST be sealed or for Kabuto to cancel the jutsu.

Jiraiya use the Sound Genjutsu, Hiruzen do some KageBushins + Death Jutsu = Akatsuki Down. They can do that, but it's too many people for them to fight at the same time, they would probably be killed before the chance to do that.

The problem is neither of them have Rinnegan and EMS for offensive attacks. They don't have ultimate defense, which is Susanoo. We are yet to see Madara to skillfully use his other EMS techniques (Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi), and just to think that the clones can use them too, Akatsuki won't defeat Madara at their best day, seriously.