Suigetsu vs. Sasori

[RezzieThaRapper]

Fight takes place in the same place Sasori fought Sakura and Chiyo

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Sasori starts with Hiruko
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[jdw]

I cannot imagine anything suigetsu could do to Sasori, and not much Sasori could do to Suigetsu. Suigetsu is one of the worse pieces of trash in the manga, but he is a beast at surviving. I'd say Sasori eventually traps him in a sphere of magnetic iron sand. Fight over.

[Impossibility]

I'd say Sasori takes the win comfortably. Suigetsu would offer little threat to Sasori, while Sasori is literally a one man army capable of dishing out an array of attacks for any situation.

[Rikudou King]

Seeing as Suigetsu is completely immune to any physical attacks and there's a lake right outside, I would say Suigetsu takes this. The only thing Sasori has that could work is his poison and we have no idea how that would work on Suigetsu's body. Suigetsu grows giant and simply crushes every puppet.

[jdw]

Assuming Suigetsu can even get out of the cave, which is kinda a big deal considering that Sasori can flood the field with combatants or use magnetic iron sand to restrict Suigtsu's movement. If Sasori can prevent Suigetsu from getting to the water, Suigetsu surely loses. I cannot really see suigetsu manhandling Sasori to escape the cave.

[KiSwordsman]

Once again, the only thing keeping Suigetsu alive is his ability to survive because of his body. They may not have a way to kill each other, but Sasori does have a way to incapacitate Suigetsu with the iron sand. But in order for him to do this Suigetsu would have to flush him out of Hiruko first.

If the fight takes place in the same place that Sasori fought Sakura and Chiyo, wouldn't Suigetsu have to leave that place in order to obtain any sort of advantage?

[Rikudou King]

Assuming Suigetsu can even get out of the cave, which is kinda a big deal considering that Sasori can flood the field with combatants or use magnetic iron sand to restrict Suigtsu's movement. If Sasori can prevent Suigetsu from getting to the water, Suigetsu surely loses. I cannot really see suigetsu manhandling Sasori to escape the cave.

But Suigetsu showed that he can simply turn to water and flow away. I'm not seeing how Sasori can prevent water from flowing. Besides, the lake is right outside the entrance. Suigetsu wouldn't have to go that far to get to it.

[ninjabot]

Why can't Suigetsu simply pump his arm up with muscles and slash straight through the cave wall? Instant door. It's not like he hasn't done it before. As for the Iron Sand, I can't see it causing any real problem if Suigetsu managed to get inside the lake. I really don't think he has enough sand for that, and if Suigetsu can use his regular body mass to give himself super strength, wouldn't having a 100 times larger mass of water give himeven more potential muscle mass? He could turn into an aquatic Incredible Hulk and just beast his way out of the Iron Sand.

Anyway, it's implied Suigetsu can use water bullets (Mizudama? Suidama?) like Niidaime Mizukage. And if that's true then I don't see much stopping him from rapid-firing them to skeet shoot puppet after puppet. And if he's a water giant? Forget about it. He'll literally make it rain. Bullets. And if he's poisoned he'll just pinch off the chunk of water that has the poison in it. Yep.

[jdw]

But Suigetsu showed that he can simply turn to water and flow away. I'm not seeing how Sasori can prevent water from flowing. Besides, the lake is right outside the entrance. Suigetsu wouldn't have to go that far to get to it.

He can block the door or encase Suigetsu. Suigetsu will become dehydrated and lose.

Iron Sand

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Why can't Suigetsu simply pump his arm up with muscles and slash straight through the cave wall? Instant door. It's not like he hasn't done it before. As for the Iron Sand, I can't see it causing any real problem if Suigetsu managed to get inside the lake. I really don't think he has enough sand for that, and if Suigetsu can use his regular body mass to give himself super strength, wouldn't having a 100 times larger mass of water give himeven more potential muscle mass? He could turn into an aquatic Incredible Hulk and just beast his way out of the Iron Sand.

Anyway, it's implied Suigetsu can use water bullets (Mizudama? Suidama?) like Niidaime Mizukage. And if that's true then I don't see much stopping him from rapid-firing them to skeet shoot puppet after puppet. And if he's a water giant? Forget about it. He'll literally make it rain. Bullets. And if he's poisoned he'll just pinch off the chunk of water that has the poison in it. Yep.

From these images, the wall suigetsu cut through looks remarkably less substantial than the cave wall. Add to that, the cave wall seems to be narrowed down where the entrance was. Suigetsu can spend his time knocking on the wall looking for a section that is as thin as what he has been shown capable of (or a section with mostly wood). If he has cut through more substantial walls, that that do not have wood doors in the middle, then I will stand corrected. As for firing bullets, I am not quite sure. Maybe he was going to fire a water bullet into Sasuke's head, or maybe he was going to do something else. Who knows. Either way it does't look good for suigetsu as he is losing precious water (if he can even fire said bullets, which I am not sure he can, or maybe they are not powerful or accurate, who knows, he may not have the skill of an actual Kage).

[Rikudou King]

He can block the door or encase Suigetsu. Suigetsu will become dehydrated and lose.

Iron Sand

Would Sasori be able to create a prefect airlock to block any possible means of Suigetsu leaking through? Not to mention it would take him time to summon the Third Kazekage and set up the block, enough time for Suigetsu to reach the water.

[ninjabot]

From these images, the wall suigetsu cut through looks remarkably less substantial than the cave wall. Add to that, the cave wall seems to be narrowed down where the entrance was. Suigetsu can spend his time knocking on the wall looking for a section that is as thin as what he has been shown capable of (or a section with mostly wood).

Or he can just... I dunno. Hit harder? He cleaved through the stone perfectly, as per your scan (twice). It's a clean cut. If the door was made of solid stone as the wall was it would've caved just as easily as the stone he cut through before getting to the wooden part of the door. Not to mention he only strengthened one arm. And if I had to stretch things I'd simply let him tank a blow from the Iron Sand, cause it to fly through him and burst the cave wall open for him. Works perfectly fine, especially if Sasori is throwing multiple sand formations to sneak the sand around him to trap him.

As for the water bullets, maybe he can't use them. If not, then he's limited to swinging gigantic aquatic limbs at bunches of puppets, guaranteeing atleast some of them are smashed to bits while also limiting the amount of kawarimi Sasori can pull before his heart canister is haphazardly smashed.. We've seen that Suigetsu tires out when not hydrated, sure. But the lake would prevent that problem.

EDIT: Oh yeah. Sasori starts in Hiruko. How does he even manage to get to the Sandaime puppet before a hole is cleaved through the wall? Doesn't he need to escape Hiruko first?

[jdw]

Suitgetsu may or may not run for water first. It is an unknown of battle. If we can assume he will go for the water straight away, we can assume Sasori will go for Sandaime puppet straight away when the fight begins (even if he begins in another puppet). Didn't take him any real effort to summon it the puppet, and Suigetsu has not been shown to be a speed demon.

I am also doubtful of Suigetsu's ability to cut through the wall with what was shown. The walls of the actual battleground and the wall in the hideout are not really similar and the cave looks far thicker.

[Rikudou King]

But summoning the Kazekage, then releasing the sand, and then forming the blockage completely would all take time. Anyway, Suigetsu has been implied to be somewhat fast, with him appearing behind Sasuke and then at the summit. Not to mention Sasori wouldn't be expecting Suigetsu's ability straight away.

[ninjabot]

Far thicker? It's thicker, but not by any significant amount. And even if it's far thicker:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-353-22...apter-348.html

There wasn't even the slightest hint of difficulty shown with him one-hand cutting down that door, through the stone around it. No difficulty at all. We could assume he'd have some difficulty with the cave wall if he tried to one-hand it like he did that door by nature of it being thicker, but once he two-hands it I don't have any reason to believe he'd fail at putting it down. Not to mention all it takes is a hole the size of maybe his head to get through. He's friggin' water.

And yes, Sasori can go straight for the Sandaime puppet, just like Suigetsu can go straight for the water. I don't see a reason why not.

[KiSwordsman]

@original poster

Does the battle take place where Sasori actually fought Sakura and Chiyo or does it occure in that general area?