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    Smile Fuji vs Irie

    I've been thinking this for a while and I would love to see this dream match.

    Who would be the winner? What do you guys think? Could Fuji see through Irie's acting and make him play all out? Or would Irie rape Fuji?

    We have to consider that Fuji, since his loss with Tezuka, has improved a great deal, and might have new counters waiting to be released
    Last edited by Kaoz; March 15, 2012 at 08:43 AM. Reason: added prefix

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    There's a problem with the basic question of the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    We have to consider that Fuji, since his loss with Tezuka, has improved a great deal, and might have new counters waiting to be released
    No, just no. Look, if we do see Fuji again, he'll have gained something new, but you can't just extrapolate about the future. You can't say some unseen 7th Counter can break Irie. We haven't seen it, so it doesn't exist.

    Until Fuji plays again, Irie either bagels him or KOs him.

    End of story.

    /thread
    Last edited by FrostyMouse; March 15, 2012 at 10:07 AM.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    I was just wondering what would be the result.

    But yeah, close the thread if you like. If you don't want, don't comment here, what's the point of making threads and you want to end it, I don't understand you. At least there are people who will nicely discuss without coming here and starting to talk shit.
    Last edited by Kaoz; March 15, 2012 at 09:46 AM.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    No insults.

    Also I would recommend adding a poll. If you don't know how to make one, feel free to pm me with the options you'd like.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    I've been thinking this for a while and I would love to see this dream match.

    Who would be the winner? What do you guys think? Could Fuji see through Irie's acting and make him play all out? Or would Irie rape Fuji?

    We have to consider that Fuji, since his loss with Tezuka, has improved a great deal, and might have new counters waiting to be released
    Unfortunately, Fuji has been shown to be weak against Mind-rapers. Niou who Fuji should have PWNED, did a little bit of Mindfuck and took 5 instant games.
    Irie, who is perhaps the captain of mindfuck, would probably do a lot worse. He really messed up Atobe.

    Since Irie could return all of Atobe's smashes, I see him handle all of Fuji's counters eventually. Although 5th Counter will take several games. So Im looking at 6-3 to Irie.
    This is coz 6th Counter can only counter Cord Balls.

    But yeah, Im praying we get MORE than a 7th Counter lol. hopefully like 3-4 new techniques.
    The most popular character besides the plot-powered main character has had practically no screentime and it would make the great Konomi a suddenly shit writer if he gave the not-so-popular-Sanada loads of screentime + MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT and give Fuji little improvement.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Since Irie could return all of Atobe's smashes, I see him handle all of Fuji's counters eventually. Although 5th Counter will take several games. So Im looking at 6-3 to Irie.
    Why would Heca take more than one try? Irie has a massive 7 Tech (at least, who knows whether it isn't higher when he's serious), surely that'd be sufficient to put a great enough counter spin on the ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    The most popular character besides the plot-powered main character has had practically no screentime and it would make the great Konomi a suddenly shit writer if he gave the not-so-popular-Sanada loads of screentime + MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT and give Fuji little improvement.
    Also you don't have to make this point every other post, I'm sure we won't forget all of a sudden. While popularity certainly is something to consider, Sanada always was a leader type character, so just abandoning him in this situation wouldn't work well either. Also, I would guess that Fuji got the most panel time by far out of the characters that didn't have a match so far.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Well, I don't think it'll be too wrong to assume all of the player techniques have improve since he enter the U-17 camp. 5th counter is probably stronger now. It might take Irie by surprise once or twice.

    As for the discussion, I'll go for Irie. I know the premise of the discussion. Fuji must have gotten stronger since then. But until he have his match, we don't know how much he improved. And from what I've seen of Irie, he kick some serious butt.
    Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

    If you knows you're on my ignore list and you quote my post, there's high chance I would ignore you. Or answer you and not look at your response.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Hello everyone! my first time posting in this forum.

    As for the topic,

    Irie is good even Tanegashima a no.2 1st stringer complimented Irie meaning a serious Irie would really roflstomp any middleschooler. and because of his amazing acting I can assume that he only toyed atobe in their match. but even though Irie might be a God or some sort of to be revealed in later chapters which I think would happen, but that doesn't change the fact that Fuji from Seigaku and known to be the second strongest to Tezuka in terms of skills and tactics. Fuji questions himself on why does Tezuka seem to be one step ahead of Him. and tells himself that someday I will surpass you. This said, that Fuji has more up his sleeves and he can improve as to defeat Tezuk. Fuji is a very promising player and I doubt he would lose to Yukimura/Sanada or any middle school player except Tezuka for now. It's really a mistake to underestimate Fuji. keep in my mind that this story revolves for middle schoolers specifically the team Seigaku.

    Fuji is Fuji he is a Prodigy/Genius I dont think because of Mind fuck acting of Irie would destroy fuji. I doubt it. Fuji has always been shown to be an extra ordinary player and with drastic improvements every match. remember the match between Fuji and Niou? when fuji showed him a new counter he was speechless. we ddnt even know how it happened. so I'm sure fuji will show other impressive moves in his coming fight.

    and to all thinking that Shiraishi > Fuji LOL. It was a character development in Fuji's part Konomi made to show us how a single defeat would change a character's ability drastically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Why would Heca take more than one try? Irie has a massive 7 Tech (at least, who knows whether it isn't higher when he's serious), surely that'd be sufficient to put a great enough counter spin on the ball.
    5th Counter is yet to be returned in one try. How on earth would Irie know how much spin to put on the ball before he has even seen the technique? It would make no sense if he knew the perfect amount of topspin before he has seen it.
    I reckon it will take a few points every now and then.

    Now that I look at Fuji, he would get annihalated by Irie. Nationals!Fuji stands no chance against the Top guys in the camp.

    It really is an Irie crushing Fuji situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Also you don't have to make this point every other post, I'm sure we won't forget all of a sudden. While popularity certainly is something to consider, Sanada always was a leader type character, so just abandoning him in this situation wouldn't work well either. Also, I would guess that Fuji got the most panel time by far out of the characters that didn't have a match so far.
    Yeah I guess I troll it quite a lot. But its 100% true at least.
    Sanada has had the most panel time by far out the characters that didn't have a match so far actually.

    Im not saying he should be abandoned, Im saying his power should be kept in check. Not let him become strongest in the camp. Since a lot of guys believe Tanegashima is in fact the best in the camp. If Sanada beats Tanegashima, then Sanada is then best in the camp. Im not cool with that at all.

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    [QUOTE=Vanillaicecream;2821891]Hello everyone! my first time posting in this forum.

    As for the topic,


    Quote Originally Posted by Vanillaicecream View Post
    Irie is good even Tanegashima a no.2 1st stringer complimented Irie meaning a serious Irie would really roflstomp any middleschooler. and because of his amazing acting I can assume that he only toyed atobe in their match. but even though Irie might be a God or some sort of to be revealed in later chapters which I think would happen, but that doesn't change the fact that Fuji from Seigaku and known to be the second strongest to Tezuka in terms of skills and tactics. Fuji questions himself on why does Tezuka seem to be one step ahead of Him. and tells himself that someday I will surpass you.
    Yes. Fuji may beat him in the future. We can only deal with the now. There is no use in discussing future plot power.
    Right now, Fuji would only survive using Closed Eye and Cord Ball. Irie's technique is above Tezuka's and Shiraishi's. He would undoubtably bring down the 5 counters within one game , 2 games max.

    6th Counter only works against Cord Balls from what we have been shown. Irie can simply not hit cord balls to avoid it. Irie uses World of Ice for a few games. and its game set soon enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanillaicecream View Post
    This said, that Fuji has more up his sleeves and he can improve as to defeat Tezuk. Fuji is a very promising player and I doubt he would lose to Yukimura/Sanada or any middle school player except Tezuka for now. It's really a mistake to underestimate Fuji. keep in my mind that this story revolves for middle schoolers specifically the team Seigaku.
    ...We are well aware he is promising lol. But he is yet to do anything in Shin PoT. On here we dont talk about stuff that is yet to happen when discussing tiering and strength.
    Until Fuji displays a technique to counter power, Sanada's Lightning and Black Aura will finish him.
    Yukimura and Sanada are the same. Yukimura can see through ALL special shots. The counters would be ineffective. Yukimura's shots ALL got the base line and he would avoid Cord balls meaning 6th Counter is ineffective.

    So are you saying Fuji wont lose to them in the future? Or that Fuji is above them?
    Since yeah, with plot power, Fuji could be at their level or even above but right now, Fuji has shown nothing new since Nationals. and Nationals!Fuji would get destroyed by Yukimura/Sanada, he wouldnt beat Akutsu, Atobe, Tooyama, Shiraishi, Niou(Since he has ZSS).

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanillaicecream View Post
    Fuji is Fuji he is a Prodigy/Genius I dont think because of Mind fuck acting of Irie would destroy fuji. I doubt it. Fuji has always been shown to be an extra ordinary player and with drastic improvements every match. remember the match between Fuji and Niou? when fuji showed him a new counter he was speechless. we ddnt even know how it happened. so I'm sure fuji will show other impressive moves in his coming fight.
    What technique would Fuji use against Irie who made Atobe's smashes look soft?
    You think the counters would work for Fuji to win 6 games? No way.
    Bottom line. Fuji wont beat Irie til he gets something new.
    I remember Fuji VS Niou. He could only counter coz Niou became Shiraishi with the golden arm weight and hit a cord ball. I dont think it can be used against non-cordballs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanillaicecream View Post
    and to all thinking that Shiraishi > Fuji LOL. It was a character development in Fuji's part Konomi made to show us how a single defeat would change a character's ability drastically.
    Shiraishi > Fuji. Konomi trolled us and told us that Shiraishi was playing with a freaking gold weight during the match. End of.
    Until Fuji learns something new, its Shiraishi > Fuji.
    If Shiraishi faced 5th Counter without the golden weight, he would avoid cordballs.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Well, Irie has high technique and mental, so he could deal with the counters.

    Still, Fuji<Irie<Yukimura. Yukimura would defeat them both, but I see Fuji in the future being able to surpass both Irie and Yukimura.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Well, Irie has high technique and mental, so he could deal with the counters.

    Still, Fuji<Irie<Yukimura. Yukimura would defeat them both, but I see Fuji in the future being able to surpass both Irie and Yukimura.
    Fair enough if we're judging Fuji's future improvement since its not a far off conclusion considering all the top guys are aiming for Tezuka.
    Also lifts Kaidoh's chances of becoming a real top player since I believe his aim is now Tezuka after their tie-break.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Fair enough if we're judging Fuji's future improvement since its not a far off conclusion considering all the top guys are aiming for Tezuka.
    Also lifts Kaidoh's chances of becoming a real top player since I believe his aim is now Tezuka after their tie-break.
    Guys with hidden potential are unbeliveable strong in the future, I hope Fuji surpasses Irie and Yukimura and Kaidoh at least becomes good enough to defeat a player like Tachibana in the future (I would be surprised if that happens tough).

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Guys with hidden potential are unbeliveable strong in the future, I hope Fuji surpasses Irie and Yukimura and Kaidoh at least becomes good enough to defeat a player like Tachibana in the future (I would be surprised if that happens tough).
    Its one of those things. This question really depends on how much Konomi will troll us.
    He trolled us by having the 11-19 BJB take over arc happen at the same time, and didnt necessarily explore matches enough meaning we didnt see much improvement with the biggest trolling being 2nd Court being instantaneously replaced in the turn of a page.

    Had he shown 8 random players of the BJB one-by-one defeat the 2nd in a proper shuffle we would have known everyone's improvement level better perhaps. Since 2nd Court are definetely better than the 3rd Court players since Tanegashima did say from 5th Court onwards going up a court is like going up an entirely different skill level.

    Ah well. Fuji's improvement is intensely anticipated I guess. Praying he faces a Top 5 member. Praying he becomes better than Sanada. Just Praying.

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Its one of those things. This question really depends on how much Konomi will troll us.
    He trolled us by having the 11-19 BJB take over arc happen at the same time, and didnt necessarily explore matches enough meaning we didnt see much improvement with the biggest trolling being 2nd Court being instantaneously replaced in the turn of a page.

    Had he shown 8 random players of the BJB one-by-one defeat the 2nd in a proper shuffle we would have known everyone's improvement level better perhaps. Since 2nd Court are definetely better than the 3rd Court players since Tanegashima did say from 5th Court onwards going up a court is like going up an entirely different skill level.

    Ah well. Fuji's improvement is intensely anticipated I guess. Praying he faces a Top 5 member. Praying he becomes better than Sanada. Just Praying.
    Just hope you're right and Fuji surpasses Sanada. That would be some hell of improvement.

    And yeah, second court could definitely defeat everybody from the old 3rd court except Irie, so the losers improved a great deal. I hope in the next episode of the anime we'll see things like how Sanada hurt his eye and how much they improved (at least we will know how strong they're right now).

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    Re: Fuji vs Irie

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Just hope you're right and Fuji surpasses Sanada. That would be some hell of improvement.

    And yeah, second court could definitely defeat everybody from the old 3rd court except Irie, so the losers improved a great deal. I hope in the next episode of the anime we'll see things like how Sanada hurt his eye and how much they improved (at least we will know how strong they're right now).
    Anime is not canon. There are a few seemingly canon moments that Konomi stuck in, such as those stat sheets, but that's it.

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