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Did you forget that the very same serve you were amazed by was returned by Nationals Yukimura, and then proceeded to have an entire rally? Some boost. If Yukimura (who is significantly worse than Kazuya at this point) was able to rally completely fine against TMnK Echizen, Kazuya would have beat him. Not to mention the whole cool drive thing was completely on purpose.Quote:
If you blindfold Sanada, tie one of his legs, and tell him not to use Lightning's teleport or Shadow's protection against insight, then yes.Quote:
Last edited by Fayte; March 27, 2012 at 11:44 PM.
Yukimura is stronger than nationals Echizen. Sanada is stronger than Atobe and nationals Tezuka, and Yukimura is stronger than nationals Echizen, Sanada, Atobe and nationals Tezuka.
Right now, being able to hit 10 balls, Echizen has surpassed Yukimura in base skill. Echizen would defeat Yukimura right now without TnK, just the fact that he can hit 10 balls and that he has Hyakuren and Saiki are more than enough reasons to defeat Yukimura. I don't think Yips would work on Echizen in case they play a rematch.
And of course, Tnk Tezuka>>Sanada, Yukimura and Atobe. Instead, I think Echizen and Tezuka are equal right now, we don't know how many balls Tezuka can hit, and Echizen improved greatly since he went to the mountains.
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Last edited by LetalHawk; March 28, 2012 at 07:30 AM.
Ok, here is my theory in why Echizen did not use Muga and it's doors in NPoT so far.
Has anyone thought that maybe he can't use them? Muga is a place you go when you surpass your own limits, and perhaps Ryoma has raised his own limits during training so he has yet to surpass them again. Also, since the doors come after the initial activation of Muga, the doors: Hyakuren, Saiki and Ten'imuhou that Echizen had unlocked before, are not accessible anymore (at this time). So even though Ten'imuhou multiplies base skill level, if you cannot pass that skill level first, you cannot use it.
Yukimura and Sanada are NOT equal. Yukimura returned EVERYTHING Sanada had with ease. Remember Yukimura didnt say he got serious till that shot flew past him and tore off his head band. Yukimura had shut down all the techniques Sanada had. Its not til Black Aura arrive did Sanada stop being shut down.
The Aura means everything.
Saying it was on purpose is just silly. Regardless of whether it was plot power or not is irrelevant as Konomi officially gave him the power to see through special shots. Yukimura returned it first time and Tokugawa couldnt. End of story.
Tokugawa is not as high up as you think he is. Although he is amazing.
TMnK IS the difference that made him win. Nothing more to it.
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Also Kaoz has said this several times before. Ryoma didnt know he would stay in the camp if he forfeited his own Tie-break. So why would he not go all out?? Its that simple. For now we can assume he cant access TMnK at will. He has only accessed it twice in 2 pinches against Tooyama and Yukimura.
Why else would Fuji's and Chitose's pupils have been shivering? Re-watch the Nationals. It will help. I cant believe you can watch the series and not notice that the first time we see TMnK was against Tooyama.
They were amazed no doubt, but if it was TnK, at least Echizen would have different hair or something, the ball was split in half due to Samurai Drive.
Chitose and Fuji said the words TMnK. This happened prior to Nanjiro talking to them about it.
Start from Nationals Ep. 14.
The proof is the big flash, and more importantly, the fact that Konomi had characters say that he used it. That is CONCRETE proof. He exited TMnK the moment he finished Samurai Drive. Which means the smoke prevented us from seeing the effect on his hair. This had to be done since it was not the finals. Why would Konomi show the FINAL technique before the Finals?
How you dont understand that TMnK was used then baffles me. It was made perfectly clear by Chitose and Fuji.
To be fair though, I originally limited it to TnK only. However if he doesn't use any of the doors in his next match, I would remove them from his skill set for the time being.
I'm fairly certain that he can still use the basic Muga though, simply because Sanada was also able to enter it in the Kantou finals, even though he wasn't anywhere near his limit (he still had Rai and In, even though he chose not to use them).
In Echizen's case the difference between Muga and the doors is that, while he is actually able to control Muga (maybe the best out of everyone we've seen so far), he gained all the doors in a sudden burst of growth, so it's possible that he hasn't actually figured out how to control them properly.
I think the reason why we haven't seen Muga anymore is the same as why Yukimura and Sanada don't use it, they are stronger without it.
Personally, I think that he did use TnK for that one shot against Kintarou as Chitose and Fuji said, but as Nanjirou's comment implies, it was only some sort of proto type and not the real thing, which can also be seen as the cause for him not being able to get both halves of the ball over the net.
Lol. And Sanada returned EVERYTHING Yukimura had with ease. Why do you think they were still rallying for the first point while every other match was ending? Why do you think Yukimura got the first point only when Yips activated? You're telling me that wasn't a stalemate up until that point? Don't be silly.Quote:
And somehow this means something? Why did you even mention this? Only an idiot would say Nationals Yukimura is better than Kazuya. Kazuya can easily hit 10 balls at the same time, and Yukimura barely hit 2. You're telling me Kazuya didn't miss the Cool Drive on purpose (when the anime cleared up the fact he did)? Cool story bro.Quote:
You mean besides the fact that after everyone was suggesting it was TMnK, Nanjiroh said it wasn't?Quote:
Rai grants you inhuman speed, it automatically sends you to where the ball is. Even if you can't move, you can still teleport.
Also what your now saying is irrelevant. The point was you said that Auras mean nothing against Yips. Its a baseless thing to say considering its not been overcome without an aura. end of.
Last edited by Airgrimes; March 29, 2012 at 02:30 PM.