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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
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And its extremely lame that Ochi has to walk past his opponent during change over to use his technique. All Atobe has to do is walk the other side of the net during change over to avoid it. I hope that Ochi's eye nonsense is better than what we have seen.
Clown Irie wins: 7-5Quote:
Serious Irie wins 6-0
And yeah, Ill keep dreamin bro
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We have been shown that even Closed Eye cant save you from Yips after Fuwa got his ass kicked.
Yukimura is stronger than Fuji. Yukimura returns all of Fuji's counters, Fuji then gets bageled.
And I think serious Yukimura vs serious Irie, Yukimura wins. Why? No shot can get past him, Irie, don't matter how serious he gets, Yukimura will return them all. So Yukimura would have no problems dealing with it, and I would say Irie gets Yipped.
Irie may start losing to Yukimura with his acting, but even if he stops acting suddenly, Yukimura scores a point and Irie has no other choice but play seriously, but still Yukimura would kick his ass.
Last edited by LetalHawk; March 25, 2012 at 08:25 AM.
I reckon Yukimura could beat Fuji but I'm not sure if he can return Kirin Otoshi, Hecatoncheires no Monban or Hoshi Hanabi.
If Yukimura has very good reaction time, then he might return Kirin Otoshi. I agree with him being able to return Heca. However, Hoshi Hanabi would be a hard one. If he doesn't hit cord balls then he's fine. But if he does hit one, Yukimura would have to find a way to beat what I presume, only 150-200 milliseconds of opportunity (I theorised that Hoshi Hanabi is only in range to be returned for 0.15-0.2 seconds). You can only return Hoshi Hanabi when it is falling or on the rise from the bounce, and that amount of time is so little.
well this isn't really a yukimura vs irie or fuji. but my input.
of course yukimura will own fuji. He has a reputation to see through techniques and returning most offensive techniques and his base skill level , are better than fuji.
its arguable that i think there are videos of the the semi finals round of the nationals that rikkai saw. so i think yukmura saw all
of seikagu's and shintenhouji's tecniiques. just seeing them once, he can return it. also there may have been video of the
kantou finals of echizen vs sanada. we know that cool drive if it hits the opponent's racket the ball could fly off the racket.
kinda werid tokugawa got duped by it in the anime and yukimura didnt. but the point is it my theory is if yukimura already seen
a technique once (in video or in the court) , if he saw it before he can return it easy. i have no proof on the video part though.
If Black Aura Sanada BROKE OUT OF THE YIPS (Which every Yukimura fan seems to forget), that alone is proof that Yips is directly related to the ability level of the player (like every other technique in the series). Sanada's skill level rose dramatically because of Black Aura, therefore he was too far above being influenced by the Yips. What makes you think Irie isn't already AT that level?
Last edited by Fayte; March 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM.
Sorry, but I still didn't swallow as Yukimura returned Rai, Tezuka probably has more power than him and he got it once. And please, you don't say that to return Rai isn't about power, because to return a shot with the handle of the racket needs power too... ¬¬
Yukimura has returned Drive A, B, Cool Drive, Samurai Drive, Big Bang, Lightning, Wind, Fire and MANY more so the Counters will do what to him? Not even phase him.
5th Counter 2 games at best since it took Shiraishi 4.
Closed Eye doesnt work as shown against Fuwa. The counters will get defeated within 2 games maximum. You also forget that 6th Counter Hoshi Hanabi only works against a Cord Ball as far as we know otherwise he would have used it against Tezuka.
Therefore Yukimura will defeat Fuji no matter what.
Im not comparing Fuwa and Fuji but they used the same technique. Its that simple with this series. Fuji is my 2nd favourite character so Im not even trolling here but Fuji is below several other MSers as far as we have been shown, its not just Yukimura who will defeat him.
Also, Nationals!Tezuka would eventually lose to Yukimura do to the pain in his left arm same with Sanada. OBVIOUSLY Im not comparing TMnK Tezuka to Yukimura. Tezuka is the strongest Schooler of Japan as far as we have been shown. I didnt even use that as an example so that is just totally irrelevant bringing current Tezuka into this.
But unless you can tell me a technique that Fuji has that will defeat Yukimura for SIX games which right now he has NONE, then Yukimura > Fuji. Im shocked there is a debate that Fuji could currently defeat Yukimura.
As far as im concerned, Fuji cant beat Sanada, Yukimura, Shiraishi (w/out golden arm weight can beat 5th Counter without a Cord ball), Tooyama and unless Closed Eye counters AK, Atobe will beat Fuji too.
Of course It's crazy to say that Fuji will defeat Yukimura. Look, evolved triple counters won't work as Yukimura will return them first try easily, like fourth counter. Fifth counter would be also returned by Yukimura first try, he saw Fuji using it during national finals, and due to him being able to see through every shot and his amazing ability to understand a special move the moment he sees it, he would return Hecatoncheires without hitting a cord ball, thus Fuji wouldn't be able to hit Hoshi Hanabi. Furthermore, Yukimura is stronger overall, has more power, speed, strength and probably is stronger mentally.
Irie is also amazing and his true power might be insane. But, even if he is able to see through Yips, and isn't affected, that doesn't mean Yukimura will lose. As I said, watching through every shot means that Irie, no matter if he gets fully serious, won't take points as Yukimura will return his shots and goes into a long rally, and maybe he could be yipped in the rally and unable to continue since you have to score against Yukimura, and I don't see Irie hitting shots past Yukimura, no matter how hard or fast.
I see that Yukimura would win 6-2 or. 6-1 depending if Irie can break out of the Yips.
And Sanada with BA is probably stronger than Irie, don't know how Sanada would lose against Irie right now. Rai, Black Aura, and maybe some new technique are enough weapons to face Irie. That he could have destroyed Atobe, doesn't mean that hewould defeat Sanada, Echizen, Yukimura and Tezuka, who are all above Irie and Atobe. Of course, Tnk Echizen and TnK would destroy Irie.
Last edited by LetalHawk; March 26, 2012 at 02:56 PM.