Suigetsu runs the gauntlet

[ninjabot]

Yep, it's that time again. With Suigetsu's last appearance in the manga he's been flamed as "the shittiest character in the manga". Let's test that theory. This thread works the same as all the other gauntlet threads. They're all 1 on 1 fights and they aren't back to back, so he's at full strength at the beginning of each one. Suigetsu can only use what he's shown in the manga however (so no assuming he has water bullets, water clones, or any other type of water jutsu).

Two scenarios for each fight however. One with a nearby lake. One where they fight where Gaara fought Kimimarou. Which leads us to the first match!

1: Kimimaro

2: Neji

3: Tsunade

4: Danzo

5: Zabuza (for this fight, both ninja have the decapitator sword)

6: Hanzo

7: Roshi (was gonna pick Yugito, but figured that was too much of a handicap thanks to element advantage).

8: Asuma

9: Shino, Hinata, and Kiba

10: Sakura and Chiyo

[LnDRash]

The Suigetsu vs. Sasori thread realy made me realize he's pretty awesome. I kind of hate his character design in terms of appearance (that unnerving tooth for example!!) but I have to admit his ability makes more then up for it... why can't he be as pretty as Juvia from Fairy Tail..? She's my favorite damn it...

That being said, lets take a look at the fights:

Kimimaro

One of my favorites, and in the Naruto Tournament I voted and argued in his favor... but after I've seen how casually Suigetsu took out Juugo I've changed my mind. Kimimaro and Suigetsu have no way to wound each other, so this is kind of a battle of attrition... in which Kimimaro will get drowned sooner or later

Neji

Already argued in the Naruto Tournament and just saying it again: Gentle Fist won't work on Suigetsu because in his liquid form he doesn't have Tenketsu, so Gentle Fist will be largely useless. Neji's one saving grace is that he can use Kaiten to repel any water, so at least he won't get drowned as long as he has chakra.

Tsunade

... I refuse to elaborate on this...

Danzou

Hmm the first thing that comes to my mind is the Baku... getting sucked into that thing, which then gets de-summoned, would suck for Suigetsu quite literally. Although I don't see anthing else in Danzou's jutsu arsenal which would be particularly threatening towards Suigetsu...

I'd say this is more or less a draw... Danzou loses his Baku and Suigetsu ends up who knows where... thus losing by ring out.

Zabuza

lol... whats Zabuza supposed to do..? Throw water jutsus at Suigetsu? He'll just absorb them into his own mass... Water Prison? Yeah... especially considering Suigetsu lived inside a water tank for who knows how long... I'll tell you whats going to happen: Zabuza grows a beard and starves to death while waiting for Suigetsu to drown inside the water sphere. Hidden Mist Technique + Silent killing only results in Suigetsu with a Trollface.

Hanzo

For "Suigetsu and poisons" just take a look at the Sasori vs. Suigetsu thread... and I don't see anything else in Hanzo's arsenal which would pose a threat. Hanzo shunshin's away and Suigetsu wins by ring out.

Roshi

Thats the Magma dude... correct? Hmm maybe he can boil Suigetsu's water and evaporate him... but no idea to be honest.

Asuma

A quote from Wizardry 8 jumps into my mind: "Slice em, dice em no sense being nice to em... thats my motto!" too bad it won't work... Suigetsu extinguishes Asuma's cigarette and then he proceeds to extinguish Asuma.

Shino, Hinata and Kiba

Hinata is useless here... but Shino's bugs would suck pretty hard for Suigetsu... if they get inside his water body and start sucking up his chakra he's pretty much screwed.

Also... when things get dire Kiba and Akamaru can use Gattai and Giga Drill Suigetsu's ass... what..? you say that doesn't work..? Like hell it does!! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY ARE!?

Sakura and Chiyo

Well... Sakura can keep Suigetsu busy until Chiyo uses her 10 puppets and seals Suigetsu... unless its the second scenario and he has a lake nearby to go into giant water blob mode, which in turn would mean they are more or less screwed.

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All of this except the Chiyo + Sakura fight takes only into account the first scenario... in all other cases I dont think it matters much or it even turns into an overkill.

[ninjabot]

You refuse to elaborate on the fight against Tsunade? Care to elaborate on why you don't want to elaborate?

[NinjaStar]

@LnDRash

I would agree with all except Zabuza and Kimi. Kimi most certainly has more chakra than Suigetsu so sooner or later Kimi will win; all he has to do is not drown before then. Same with Zabuza. He doesn't have to use his suiton, he can just stick to Kenjutsu. He doesn't get tired using the sword so he should be able to outlast Suigetsu. Sooner or later Zabu will be able to chop his head off.

[LnDRash]

You refuse to elaborate on the fight against Tsunade? Care to elaborate on why you don't want to elaborate?

Of course... the reason is purely mathematical! Let me show you:

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while this:

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Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

@NinjaStar

In regards to Kimi I once argued the exact same thing... but seing how simple it is for Suigetsu to "drown" Juugo, who's physically decisively superior to Suigetsu, changed my mind. I think the room for mistakes is just way to big for Kimimaro.

If he wants to tire him out, Kimi has to rely on close combat to force Suigetsu into constantly reforming his body... but close combat also means one wrong movement and he has a water blob around his head.

Also keep in mind none in this topic has intel about Suigetsu's freakish water body, so they have to find out for themselves, which can already be fatal.

In regards to Zabuza:

Suigetsu is also skilled at kenjutsu... he can definitelly hold his own for extended time, while Zabuza has to keep up the pressure if he hopes to tire him out.

This once again results in close combat... and consider that Suigetsu can afford to take a hit when he sees its going to create an opening... Zabuza ends up with a water blob around his head soon enough.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Well Suigetsu is a shitty character imho, I would associate him with the likes of Ten-Ten for character depth and usefulness, he stopped being noticeable when he became Sasuke's lapdog while at the beginning seemed like he was someone that doesn't take orders well by standing up to him.

I truly hoped Sasuke would've finished off him and Taka as a whole, but alas Kishi can't make Sasuke likeable now, wouldn't he?

The only thing that I like about him is his haxed jutsu ( still Ninjabot I believe that the Water Pistol was implied to be known by Suigetsu, since he pretty much "treathened" Sasuke with it ).

1: Kimimaro

A war of attrition, Suigetsu can't damage Kimimaro, Kimimaro can't damage Suigetsu.
Since I doubt though that Suigetsu's jutsu can be mantained indetermintely ( it isn't even a Gekkei Kenkai if I remember right, but a Hijutsu ) like I doubt that he can substain infinite damage, and since, even with his desease and close do dying Kimi had a lot of stamina, I believe that Kimi at the end takes this.

In the scenario with the lake the same would occur, with the difference that Suigetsu would win by outlasting Kimimaro

2: Neji

I think that Juuken, using chakra to attack, can damage Suigetsu's body, since I doubt it is impervious to chakra.
Seeing as Neji is probably stronger than him in close range, I believe that, again, Suigetsu would be damaged too much by him, thus losing after a long battle.

In the scenario with the lake, Neji is stomped

3: Tsunade

Same as Kimimaro, with the difference that Tsunade can make Suigetsu's whole body explode with a single punch. She has, if memory serves me right, even a Raiton, that A rank jutsu she used against Kabuto. Now I don't know how Suigetsu's body would react, but I believe that he wouldn't be able to liquidize and move properly.
Add to that the fact that he is in no way or shape a speedy guy, and he can't touch Tsunade since her chakra-enhanced punches would simply obliterate Suigetsu's water.
Tsunade is lame, just not that lame imho.

With the lake, Tsunade loses simply by being overwhelmed

4: Danzo

I agree completely with LnDRash

5: Zabuza (for this fight, both ninja have the decapitator sword)

Same, even if Zabuza is likely stronger, more skilled etc. all his ninjutsu would simply empower Suigetsu, and all his kenjutsu wouldn't do much if any damage to him.

6: Hanzo

I doubt that Hanzo would've beaten the Sannins only thanks to poison, but alas we didn't see more by him, so Suigetsu takes this in both scenarios

7: Roshi

Water would likely evaporate, the Magma shroud damaged even Naruto in his chakra form.
Suigetsu would dehydratate in, like, 1 minute?
Suigetsu is stomped

With the lake, Suigetsu takes a Bijuudama to the face, reverting to a comatose blob. Suigetsu is stomped

8: Asuma

Poor Asuma, it would be a massacre imho, all he can do would simply leave no damage to Suigetsu whatsoever, he isn't a stamina monster either.

In the scenario with the lake he gets stomped so hard even his son will feel his pain

9: Shino, Hinata, and Kiba

Same reasoning I applied with Neji stands, by a lesser degree, with Hinata, Shino would drain Suigetsu of chakra while Kiba would be the annoying fly that would keep Suigetsu busy while Shino drains his chakra.

With the lake, I doubt that they would have an attack powerful enough to beat him, and Shino's bugs can't of course drain a freakin' lake, so Suigetsu wins decisively

10: Sakura and Chiyo

Despite what Kishi hopes, Sakura didn't show even a tenth of Tsunade's skills in combat, and her only hope not to be murdered is Chiyo and her sealing jutsu.
Still Suigetsu isn't a puppet, so he wouldn't be caught by Sakura's attempt to seal him. The moment Suigetsu end Chiyo, the match is set.
Still that vacuum Fuuinjutsu would prove to be dangerous, in both scenarios.
It would've been more believable if the match would've been Chiyo vs Suigetsu, Sakura's useless, as her usual

[LnDRash]

With some decent coloring he wouldn't even be half as bad...

Sadly Kishi screwed up even that and had to give him a washed-out purple shirt, eyes in the matching color and some washed-out gray pants. Considering his personality he should look like a predator... but instead his coloring just makes him look like some kind of stereotypical gay... (well, nothing against gay people, but in this case its just completely unfitting imho).

[Impossibility]

Gaarav v Kimi Arena

1. Kimimaro wins what is likely to be an uninteresting endurance battle.
2. Neji wins with Juuken.
3. Tsunade wins with the aid of her presumed raiton technique.
4. Danzo wins through use of genjutsu and tapir summon.
5. Suigetsu wins because Zabuza's attacks have been only physical and water-based attacks.
6. Hanzo wins because I simply refuse to give Suigetsu a win over someone who came out victorious against the Sannin.
7. Roshi wins with the aid of his magma, although to be honest we've yet to see much of Roshi in action.
8. Suigetsu wins.
9. Shino, Hinata and Kiba win through the aid of Shino's bugs and Hinata's Juuken.
10. Sakura and Chiyo win through the use of Chiyo's sealing technique.

[ninjabot]

1. Kimimaro wins what is likely to be an uninteresting endurance battle.

I don't know about this one. Suigetsu's stamina seems only to run low when he has no water to keep him hydrated. We've never seen it happen in a fight though. We've seen him get evaporated by a Bijuudama, leaving a gelatinous blob, but Kimimaro can't inflict that level of damage. So how exactly does he beat him in a stamina fight, especially considering his physical condition and the Curse Seal's chakra draining nature?

2. Neji wins with Juuken.

How? Jyuuken kills opponents by piercing through their body and stabbing their organs. Organic organs. He can't pierce his heart or lungs because they're non-existant when he wants them to be, and he can't find his tenketsu either, as tenketsu are actual organs in the body, not little chakra nodes that appear unconnected to flesh. If he makes his flesh water, how does he turn off his chakra, or deal any serious damage whatsoever?

3. Tsunade wins with the aid of her presumed raiton technique.

You mean the one that disorients the opponent's brain signals?

4. Danzo wins through use of genjutsu and tapir summon.

I agree with this one, thanks to sending the tapir back to where it was summoned from after it swallows Suigetsu. Otherwise he'd cut his way out from the inside.

6. Hanzo wins because I simply refuse to give Suigetsu a win over someone who came out victorious against the Sannin.

This was one of the points I meant to make by starting this thread. Eventually, someone's just gonna decide not to give him a believable win just because of who he is. That's messed up.

7. Roshi wins with the aid of his magma, although to be honest we've yet to see much of Roshi in action.

I agree with this one too.

9. Shino, Hinata and Kiba win through the aid of Shino's bugs and Hinata's Juuken.

Not this one either. I still don't know that Shino's bugs can survive in water, and again with Hinata's Jyuuken it should be worthless.

10. Sakura and Chiyo win through the use of Chiyo's sealing technique.

I agree with this one too.

And remember, each fight is two scenarios. One with a nearby lake. The other without.

[The3greateyes]

In the lake senario he'll always win except against magma guy

[Kay3795]

Gaarav v Kimi Arena

1. Kimimaro wins what is likely to be an uninteresting endurance battle.
2. Neji wins with Juuken.
3. Tsunade wins with the aid of her presumed raiton technique.
4. Danzo wins through use of genjutsu and tapir summon.
5. Suigetsu wins because Zabuza's attacks have been only physical and water-based attacks.
6. Hanzo wins because I simply refuse to give Suigetsu a win over someone who came out victorious against the Sannin.
7. Roshi wins with the aid of his magma, although to be honest we've yet to see much of Roshi in action.
8. Suigetsu wins.
9. Shino, Hinata and Kiba win through the aid of Shino's bugs and Hinata's Juuken.
10. Sakura and Chiyo win through the use of Chiyo's sealing technique.

I agree with ur list