Asuma vs Hidan

[vanyar]

Location: Same as the first fight
Conditions: Asuma knows all of Hidan's abilities. No teammates present. Just them.

We have already seen this fight, what made me post it, is to see if Asuma had prior knowledge of Hidan's abilities would the fight go the same way?

What do you think?

[KiSwordsman]

I think it goes without saying that anyone aware of Hidan's techniques and their effects would be able to defeat him. This is assuming that they are capable ninja. That's because Hidan is the bad type of one trick pony. The guy's all about his ritual, and always uses a convoluted way to defeat his opponent. So any capable ninja with Intel on Hidan's techniques, could find a way to disable him and end the fight.

[LnDRash]

Hidan managed to wound Asuma while he had to avoid Shikamaru's shadows at the same time.

http://i1000.mangareader.net/naruto/323/naruto-6559.jpg

Here Asuma even states that Hidan and Kakuzu are both far stronger then him.

So my conclusion is: without Shikamaru around, Asuma can't make use of his intel, because Hidan is the better fighter. Asuma by himself has no other way to incapacitate Hidan then to overwhelm him in combat and cut his head or at least arms off, which is something I don't realy see happening without the help of Shikamaru's immobilizing shadows.

Hidan on the other hand just needs some slight scratch on Asuma and the latter is pretty much screwed. Seriously... whats Asuma going to do if Hidan manages to draw some blood and steps into his circle? He has no way to get Hidan out of the circle without killing or at thevery least crippling himself... so yeah... like I said: he's screwed.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Hidan all the way, the guy was way more good that ppl gives him credit for, he despite having slow attacks was pretty agile and fast, and without his enourmous schyte was going comfortably toe to toe against Kakashi.
Add to that the fact that he has to simply nick you to win a fight, and you see that, unless you have ultra speed, super genjutsu powers or impenetrable defences, defeating Hidan is really, really difficult, even knowing how his jutsu works.

[Impossibility]

Hidan in his battle against Asuma appeared to be superior even without the use of his ritual. So, I'd give the battle to Hidan. And the simple reality is knowing of Hidan's ritual doesn't change the fact that it is difficult to combat.

[vanyar]

I'm not so sure, Asuma has shown two mid to long range techniques, a long range battle would be an obvious choice if Asuma knew Hidan's capabilities.

[LnDRash]

Even if Hidan for some reaon gets hit by Katon: Haisekishō, some burns on his skin are meaningless to him. And Fūton: Fūjin no Jutsu ..? Don't make me laugh... no other then Ino managed to dodge this technique while even explicitly running into it to push Chouji's 200lb's body out of the way... while Hidan had no trouble keeping up with a Sharingan User like Kakashi. That technique isn't going to hit him even if he somehow falls asleep.

[vanyar]

Even if Hidan for some reaon gets hit by Katon: Haisekishō, some burns on his skin are meaningless to him. And Fūton: Fūjin no Jutsu ..? Don't make me laugh... no other then Ino managed to dodge this technique while even explicitly running into it to push Chouji's 200lb's body out of the way... while Hidan had no trouble keeping up with a Sharingan User like Kakashi. That technique isn't going to hit him even if he somehow falls asleep.

The burns can serve to hinder him and obscure his vision, giving Asuma a strong opening to attack.

Ino managed to dodge because Asuma told her too.

[LnDRash]

http://i1000.mangareader.net/naruto/323/naruto-6565.jpg

Its not like that jutsu is notably fast... on the contrary: its execution time is below average. Hidan purposely walked into the Ash Cloud because his Ritual Circle was inside there... so what prevents him to do the opposite if he doesn't have his curse ready yet?

And a clear NO! The burns won't hinder Hidan at all.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-328-2/...apter-323.html

His body was pierced right from the start by two swords, later he pierced his knee and even heart, none of this had any negative effects on his movement at all. Pain from severe wounds is meaningless to Hidan, so some skin burns are even less then meaningless to him.

Ino managed to dodge because Asuma told her too.

Doesn't change the fact she still had the reflexes and speed to dodge. She's inferior to Hidan in almost any possible way, and she also had to save Chouji. Hidan on the other hand has much better reaction feats then her and he doesn't have to attend for some helpless, crying Fatboy... so he will have no trouble dodging at all.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Look it that way, Hidan dodged Asuma in close range while, at the same time, dodging Shikamaru's shadow.
He likely brushes off Ninjutsu since Hidan and Kakuzu main combo is Hidan taking the opponent close range while Kakuzu fires overpowered Ninjutsus to both Hidan and the opponent, overpowered Ninjutsu often combined, like the Fuuton+Katon combo.
I really don't see him defeated by any ninjutsu that isn't on a scale of a RasenShuriken

[vanyar]

Hidan's vision would be obscured with the Ash Cloud, which could leave an opening for another attack such as his Futon. Maybe it could take his head off, maybe not.

Asuma told Ino the attack was coming she knew to dodge.

[LnDRash]

Hidan's vision would be obscured with the Ash Cloud...

Just like Asuma's vision too.

He can blindfire his wind jutsu in hopes of hiting Hidan, but if Hidan keeps moving instead of standing around like an idiot, odds are more likely Asuma is just going to miss and give away his position at the same time, which in turn creates a huge opening for Hidan.

Asuma told Ino the attack was coming she knew to dodge.

Simply repeating an argument after it received counterarguments doesn't make it any better.

Yes, she had an advantage, but:

-Hidan is faster then her.
-Hidan has better acrobatic movement then her.
-Hidan has better reaction feats.
-Hidan doesn't have to take care of Fatboy.

Hidan has so many advantages it completely dwarfs the one single advantage Ino had. Seeing Asuma make some handsigns and inhaling air is all Hidan needs to successfully dodge.

[vanyar]

Agreed on the 1st point.

Asuma told Ino he was going to attack, so it wasn't based just on her reflexes. If Asuma didn't say anything well then it would be just reflexes, Asuma told her to move so she moved. Your point is moot.

[LnDRash]

Here Asuma tells Chouji to dodge... at the same time he's already executing the handsigns and announcing the jutsu.

In the first panels on the next page Asuma starts inhaling air while Ino still isn't anywhere close to Chouji. On the second row Ino finally starts moving and Asuma brings his hands into the required position. On the last panel Asuma finally fires his jutsu and Ino still managed to not only outrun and dodge the technique, but also to push away 200lb's of meat, which would slow her down considerably.

Its your point thats being moot.

[vanyar]

That's good enough for me