Kabuto and Dr.Snakes vs. Naruto and Nagato

[LnDRash]

The Disciples of the Snake vs. the Disciples of the Toad.

Yup, right now it may seem a bit onesided in favor of the Toads, but lets just adapt the discussion as new feats and infos keep coming. In other words: Its completely fine when you say "LOLOL NAGATO & NARUTO STOMP THIS!!1" now, but then possibly completely change your mind because new abilities have been shown. Thats also the reason why there is no poll.

Rules and Conditions:

• Nagato is fighting in his original, living body and he's completely healthy. If he decides to use Gedo Mazo he'll become his emaciated wheelchair version afterwards, unless he uses it as an independent summon instead of a soul sucker.

• No Gedo: Rinne Tensei on Naruto unless its Nagato himself who killed Naruto for some reason. Additionally, for Rinne Tensei to work, the body has to be in a somewhat intact shape.

• Naruto has no stockpiled SM clones at Mount Myōboku.

• Kabuto can use Edo Tensei and his standart setup will be the Six Jinchuuriki. If you think there are some Edo's which would be better suited for this fight, feel free to swap them in (Madara and Nagato are excluded though). In case you make use of this option, don't forget to announce it clearly.

• Kabuto has the same knowledge as in the Manga, which means he has detailed intel about all Rinnegan abilities.

• They fight where Naruto and Bee fought against Edo Nagato and Itachi.

[xXan]

How about putting what ET zombes he is using as its a pain to pick from them and formulate a tactic depanding on what people are choosing.

Anyway. Asuming they go all out.
Fight starts. Bla, bla, bla, whatever happends an then:

Naruto: Flash Bijudama
Levels the area and turns ET into ashes, kills Sasuke and perhaps Kabuto, if not he is in very bad shape.
Then Nagato: Kuchiyose GEDO MAZO !!!
Then that thing rips all there souls out before they can regenerate or Kabuto recover.

You also need to take into account:

Nagato can summon the statue just like Tobi and let it fight on the field. The damn thing has 7 bijus in it and it could very well solo Sasuke and Kabuto, at least it would be more then enough to keep them busy. Or just have Nagato summon it and THEN FREE ALL THE BIJUS. Bam Naruto has an army of BIJUS ^^.

Naruto can be: 20 RM clones (considering he has acces to full Kyuubi power it would be logical for him to be able to create more expecialy considering he is rested here and not after a long run trough the woods), some 100 SM clones.
Then Nagato himself can summon countless summons with shared vision.
The number are defenetly on Naruto/Nagato's side by a huge margine.

Then they have CT :P Just use Naruto to put up a Kyuubi shield and have Nagato use CT from the INSIDE. Its game over.

As it is NOW (and as you said it to some extent) Naruto/Nagato stomp.

[LnDRash]

^Some good points.

How about putting what ET zombes he is using as its a pain to pick from them and formulate a tactic depanding on what people are choosing.

The thought behind that was giving people, who think there are some specific Edo's better suited for this fight then those I've picked, an opportunity to use those for arguing. But I see your point so I'll modify it a bit.

You also need to take into account:

Nagato can summon the statue just like Tobi and let it fight on the field. The damn thing has 7 bijus in it and it could very well solo Sasuke and Kabuto, at least it would be more then enough to keep them busy. Or just have Nagato summon it and THEN FREE ALL THE BIJUS. Bam Naruto has an army of BIJUS ^^.

True, also something which I'am going to change.

One thing you have to consider though when you are talking about the 7 Bijuu: The 6 Jinchuuriki are also part of Kabuto's Edo Zombies... Tobi more or less just borrowed them.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Hmm too early to tell, because, right now, team Naruto/Nagato stomps, incredibly dr Snakes is the weak link and will be disposed quickly by a Bijuudama or, in the worst case, handled easily by Nagato.
And even with 5 ET, I don't see Naruto too much threatened, his clone (!) owned the Third Raikage and Muu.
And it was an incomplete chakra mode.
Basically Naruto stomps the ET, Nagato seals them while blasting/catching/playing with Sasuke spawning some summon in the meantime to keep the others occupied.

Imho we should wait for Kabutomaru's new jutsu/mode/whatever it is and dr Snakes' show of his new power up for them to be on the others level

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One thing you have to consider though when you are talking about the 7 Bijuu: The 6 Jinchuuriki are also part of Kabuto's Edo Zombies... Tobi more or less just borrowed them.

Naruto already owned 5 of them by himself, with Nagato it only would be easier imho

[LnDRash]

Imho we should wait for Kabutomaru's new jutsu/mode/whatever it is and dr Snakes' show of his new power up for them to be on the others level

Yup, makes sense. I just wanted to get the topic started already, mainly to flesh out the rules and condition a bit, so that when the fighting actually starts everyone's happy. Right now there's still time for it... later (judging by past experience from other topics involving the characters included in this fight) the replies will probably be raining faster then I can hit the edit button

[xXan]

^Some good points.



The thought behind that was giving people, who think there are some specific Edo's better suited for this fight then those I've picked, an opportunity to use those for arguing. But I see your point so I'll modify it a bit.



True, also something which I'am going to change.

One thing you have to consider though when you are talking about the 7 Bijuu: The 6 Jinchuuriki are also part of Kabuto's Edo Zombies... Tobi more or less just borrowed them.

Who cares about the Jinchuuriki. This is about BIJUS with no host. Just free them from the statue and start a rampage. Considering the last meeting they had and how they somewhat worship Naruto now gues who they will follow

Now Tobi was the one who gave them rinnegan/sharingan combo and the real bijus. Also aparently those where not actualy ET as this guy:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/570/6
Looks like a normal dead guy, even the wounds look like they are bleeding. Why is he not going into ashes? Why are dounds created by the pipe not instantly healing when the pipe is removed?
Over here he is still dead and the same guy and no ashes:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/572/1
The ashes should have whent away and his normal form to be showed.

Let's use only the jins Kabuto direcly showed and that is the 2 Kyuubified brothers (if i remember right).


But anyway Kabuto better show something insane and same for Sasuke (EMS jutsu) or this is a stomp, big one to.

PS:

Naruto has no stockpiled MS clones at Mount Myōboku.

I think you wanted to state SM? Naruto with MS would be something ^^

[LnDRash]

Tobi modified the Jinchuuriki, he implanted Chakra Rods and Sharingans, so it makes sense they behave differently from other Edo's now, otherwise Kabuto could snatch them any time he wants.

But originally they used to be among Kabuto's Edo Summons: http://i19.mangareader.net/naruto/51...to-1515991.jpg.

But anyway Kabuto better show something insane and same for Sasuke (EMS jutsu) or this is a stomp, big one to.

Oh I'am sure they will... actually Sasuke's EMS is already pretty lethal, considering he erased a whole division of Zetsus with little to no effort. I can already see clones going "poof" as fast as Naruto can spam them.

I think you wanted to state SM? Naruto with MS would be something ^^

God I hate my substitution Keyboard... since my G11 broke three weeks ago I'am producing so many typos and missing letters that I'am starting to overlook the most obvious ones >_<

[xXan]

@LnDRash

Tobi modified the Jinchuuriki, he implanted Chakra Rods and Sharingans, so it makes sense they behave differently from other Edo's now, otherwise Kabuto could snatch them any time he wants.

But originally they used to be among Kabuto's Edo Summons: http://www.mangareader.net/93-58427-...apter-515.html.

I am starting to think those are not ET people. If they where then when they would die the body would becomes ashes and the real dude would pop from under those ashes and also no blood would be present and the injury would be healed. For all we know Tobi used the real dead bodies for his jutsu and some ET magic. I mean seriously Tobi was controling them like with a string, ET are in robot mode and act themselfs based on a program. Again its higly debable what those things where (that Tobi used) and how would the REAL ET jins would act and perform.
Probably on the nut brothers level but who knows.

Oh I'am sure they will... actually Sasuke's EMS is already pretty lethal, considering he erased a whole division of Zetsus with little to no effort. I can already see clones going "poof" as fast as Naruto can spam them.

He probably can't even see Naruto in RM lvl 2 or Naruto in RM lvl 1 using sunshin. As for SM we already got Kabuto dodging arrows like nothing. Naruto dodged the 3'th Raikage from point blank range in SM. I really don't see the above happening, i can see Sasuke shooting after them and wasting chakra.. SM clones could be hit with a normal Amaterasu but considering the numbers of them he would be wasting A LOT of chakra and he would drop before doing anything that would stop Naruto. Also Nagato is also in the area and he could absorb Amaterasu or ST it away. He could also rip the chakra used for Susano and give it to Naruto or steal Kabuto's and so on.

The only unknown are the ET zombies and i am to lazy to form a hypothesis for all of them.

God I hate my substitution Keyboard... since my G11 broke three weeks ago I'am producing so many typos and missing letters that I'am starting to overlook the most obvious ones >_<

Haha i know how that feels I have a G14 at home i think, not sure on the number :P

[LnDRash]

I am starting to think those are not ET people. If they where then when they would die the body would becomes ashes and the real dude would pop from under those ashes and also no blood would be present and the injury would be healed. For all we know Tobi used the real dead bodies for his jutsu and some ET magic. I mean seriously Tobi was controling them like with a string, ET are in robot mode and act themselfs based on a program. Again its higly debable what those things where (that Tobi used) and how would the REAL ET jins would act and perform.
Probably on the nut brothers level but who knows.

Same link again because somehow it didn't work the first time: http://i19.mangareader.net/naruto/51...to-1515991.jpg

They clearly used to be regular ET's. You can see that on those black eyes, the thin cracks all over their bodies and the fact they are standing in front of their coffins like all those other ET's.

The talisman which is put into their head is what binds the soul to the body, gives them regeneration and also grants Kabuto control over those summons. Since Tobi had to mess around with the talismans (otherwise Kabuto would be able to do as he pleases and screw Tobi royally by turning the Jins against him mid-battle), its possible he messed up certain other ET characteristics as well.

As for the blood: Don't forget there are real bodies consisting of flesh and blood inside all that Edo-Dust. So if they don't regenerate it would make sense for them to bleed.

However, I bet my money on another, much simpler explanation: "Kishi messed up".

Because here you can see that Yugito is actually regenerating from the wound Bee inflicted on her chest:
http://i1.mangareader.net/naruto/565/naruto-2844019.jpg
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/565/11

He probably can't even see Naruto in RM lvl 2 or Naruto in RM lvl 1 using sunshin.

The thing is he can literally spam Amaterasu now and set ablaze the whole area with very little effort. He can also cover his Susanoo in those flames and swing an Amaterasu sword... and he can even manipulate the spread out flames and change their shape etc thanks to Enton... it would be hard as hell to fight under those conditions, considering just a slight touch of those flames is already enough and you are screwed.

He's basically a giantic walking flame thrower.

I agree that Nagato can take care of this thanks to Shinra Tensei and Preta Path, but its certainly an effective weapon of mass destruction against Naruto's clones, while it can keep Nagato busy at the same time.

[Rikudou King]

This is a tough one. Nagato and Naruto are quite overpowered and likely to win at this point in time, but I can't count Kabuto and Sasuke out.

With his abilities, Kabuto would be able to face Naruto without risking his life much. At the every least, Kabuto is defensively strong enough to handle Naruto but til we see some more offense from him, he couldn't be able to do more then keep Naruto busy. Nagato's abilities would make Kabuto's defenses moot, so Kabuto attempting to tackling him would be foolish. At best, Kabuto should summon the Nidaime Mizukage to place the entire area under a genjutsu. Hanzou too would probably be useful, since his poisons would make Naruto and Nagato's strength meaningless.

Sasuke vs Nagato is more easier. We've seen that Nagato could be hit by Amaterasu before he could absorb it, be caught by enough speed=Susnaoo, and with the option of genjutsu, Sasuke should be able to deal with Nagato without putting himself in range of danger. A combo of genjutsu and his sword should allow Sasuke to get past most of Nagato's abilities. As for Naruto, if Naruto transforms, he would become a big target for Amaterasu. Naruto would be much more dangerous without transforming, but Enton Magatama should allow Sasuke to take out any clones running around. Worst case, Sasuke holds Susanoo while covering the field with Amaterasu to limit their movement.

[Uchiha_Blood]

The thing is he can literally spam Amaterasu now and set ablaze the whole area with very little effort. He can also cover his Susanoo in those flames and swing an Amaterasu sword... and he can even manipulate the spread out flames and change their shape etc thanks to Enton... it would be hard as hell to fight under those conditions, considering just a slight touch of those flames is already enough and you are screwed.

He's basically a giantic walking flame thrower.

I agree that Nagato can take care of this thanks to Shinra Tensei and Preta Path, but its certainly an effective weapon of mass destruction against Naruto's clones, while it can keep Nagato busy at the same time.

Would Amaterasu burn through a cloak that withstanded the six-tails corrosive powers without a problem, and swatted away 5 Bijuudamas? Dunno.
And I can easily see Naruto grow and detach the parts that caught flame since he can manipulate the chakra from every direction, as we saw when he grows those hands from everywhere.
This, if, and it is a big if, he's somewhat hit by Amaterasu. The only jutsus I can somewhat see able to pierce/hit/damage Naruto in his form are Jinton jutsu and the Hell Fingers of the Third Raikage, so Kabuto's ET can likely deal damage to Naruto.

Still I believe Amaterasu can't be preta path'ed, Nagato was forced to repel them with Shinra Tensei

This is a tough one. Nagato and Naruto are quite overpowered and likely to win at this point in time, but I can't count Kabuto and Sasuke out.

With his abilities, Kabuto would be able to face Naruto without risking his life much. At the every least, Kabuto is defensively strong enough to handle Naruto but til we see some more offense from him, he couldn't be able to do more then keep Naruto busy. Nagato's abilities would make Kabuto's defenses moot, so Kabuto attempting to tackling him would be foolish. At best, Kabuto should summon the Nidaime Mizukage to place the entire area under a genjutsu. Hanzou too would probably be useful, since his poisons would make Naruto and Nagato's strength meaningless.

Sasuke vs Nagato is more easier. We've seen that Nagato could be hit by Amaterasu before he could absorb it, be caught by enough speed=Susnaoo, and with the option of genjutsu, Sasuke should be able to deal with Nagato without putting himself in range of danger. A combo of genjutsu and his sword should allow Sasuke to get past most of Nagato's abilities. As for Naruto, if Naruto transforms, he would become a big target for Amaterasu. Naruto would be much more dangerous without transforming, but Enton Magatama should allow Sasuke to take out any clones running around. Worst case, Sasuke holds Susanoo while covering the field with Amaterasu to limit their movement.

lol, Nagato can produce offense stronger than a bijuudama as strong as 5 other bijuus Bijuudamas.
I can totally see that. Not.
Actually Kabuto has more of a chance against Nagato imho, since his 5 ET should have enough firepower to handle even CT, while Shinra Tensei would be useless against immortal bodies.
Against dr Snakes it is a murder imho, not only dr Snakes has no answer to CT ( if Amaterasu would've been enough, Itachi wouldn't have used the Matagama ) but also Shinra Tensei is able to repel even Amaterasu, and he was caught by enough speed, as you said, because, for one, Nagato had to split his attention between Naruto, Bee and Itachi, second Itachi has his elongable sword. Not only that, but with Preta he can easily absord any sword/arrow created from Susano'o ( unless there are the Amaterasu ones, in which case he would only need Shinra Tensei ), thus rendering all of dr Snakes' offence capacity useless.
And I still need to see a Rin'negan user caught by an ocular Genjutsu, the frog song not only is one of the strongest Genjutsu in absolute, but it not hits the eyes, but the ears. Acustic Genjutsu are different from other kinds, since not even Shikamaru could escape Tayuya's own.

And Naruto does not need neither the Bijuu form nor creating clones to deal with dr Snakes, since his speed is beyond what dr Snakes can deal with in both speed ( in chakra mode he was as fast with shunshin as the shunshining of the fourth Raikage level 2 Raiton Armour, in bijuu mode it is likely to be way more fast ) and power ( if Jinton could obliterate Susano'o, I don't doubt that FRS can either ).
Even in bijuu full form, it remains to be seen how and if the chakra shroud can be burned by Amaterasu, and even if he's hit, he can discard the chakra that is burning, or let it burn while he obliterates dr Snakes with a Bijuudama, returning then in human form.
As it stands, dr Snakes, right now, is the weak link, since it isn't shown anything except his spamming of Susano'o. I would really, really like though if, for fun, Kabuto and Naruto would engage in a Sage vs Sage battle, it is actually one of the battles I would look forward the most

[Rikudou King]

lol, Nagato can produce offense stronger than a bijuudama as strong as 5 other bijuus Bijuudamas.
I can totally see that. Not.
Actually Kabuto has more of a chance against Nagato imho, since his 5 ET should have enough firepower to handle even CT, while Shinra Tensei would be useless against immortal bodies.
Against dr Snakes it is a murder imho, not only dr Snakes has no answer to CT ( if Amaterasu would've been enough, Itachi wouldn't have used the Matagama ) but also Shinra Tensei is able to repel even Amaterasu, and he was caught by enough speed, as you said, because, for one, Nagato had to split his attention between Naruto, Bee and Itachi, second Itachi has his elongable sword. Not only that, but with Preta he can easily absord any sword/arrow created from Susano'o ( unless there are the Amaterasu ones, in which case he would only need Shinra Tensei ), thus rendering all of dr Snakes' offence capacity useless.
And I still need to see a Rin'negan user caught by an ocular Genjutsu, the frog song not only is one of the strongest Genjutsu in absolute, but it not hits the eyes, but the ears. Acustic Genjutsu are different from other kinds, since not even Shikamaru could escape Tayuya's own.

And Naruto does not need neither the Bijuu form nor creating clones to deal with dr Snakes, since his speed is beyond what dr Snakes can deal with in both speed ( in chakra mode he was as fast with shunshin as the shunshining of the fourth Raikage level 2 Raiton Armour, in bijuu mode it is likely to be way more fast ) and power ( if Jinton could obliterate Susano'o, I don't doubt that FRS can either ).
Even in bijuu full form, it remains to be seen how and if the chakra shroud can be burned by Amaterasu, and even if he's hit, he can discard the chakra that is burning, or let it burn while he obliterates dr Snakes with a Bijuudama, returning then in human form.
As it stands, dr Snakes, right now, is the weak link, since it isn't shown anything except his spamming of Susano'o. I would really, really like though if, for fun, Kabuto and Naruto would engage in a Sage vs Sage battle, it is actually one of the battles I would look forward the most

Between Suigetsu and Karin's ability, Kabuto can endure any attack Naruto throws, especially since the Bijuu Blast is only dangerous if it directly hits. The Edo summons can fight to aid both Kabuto and Sasuke. Anyway, the answer to Chibaku Tensei is to stay close to Nagato, since he wouldn't be able to use it without pulling himself up too. Even knowing Amaterasu was coming and being preprogramed to react to attacks, Nagato still couldn't counter Amaterasu until after it had hit and taken him down for a while. Nagato focusing on Naruto didn't prevent him from being able to see Kirabi attack with his summons, yet Itachi was ale to take those summons out and then come save the two before Nagato could even react. He can only absorb Susanoo's blade if he knows it's coming, and with genjutsu, Sasuke can set him up to not see it. But even if he used his chakra absorption, Sasuke has an actual sword which wouldn't be effected by it. There's no reason to think the Rinnegan couldn't be caught, especially since the Sharingan can be and it's actually noted for it's genjutsu ability. Shikamaru did escape Tayuya's genjutsu. He did so by breaking his finger. Escaping an ocular genjutsu would be harder, since it takes effect basically instantly.

Except that Sasuke was able to react to Ee's shunshin, so Naruto's current speed should not be that major of an issue, and Onoki didn't obliterate Susanoo. Madara revealed that he purposely allow Onoki to hit him because he's a master troller. There's no reason the chakra cloak wouldn't burn, it's not any difference from Ee's cloak or an actual Bijuu. As far as we've seen, Naruto can't just discard a piece of the cloak. He would have to deactivate it completely. And let's not forget that his ability to knock out a person in a minute with his genjutsu, meaning that Sasuke is more then capable of managing on his own.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Between Suigetsu and Karin's ability, Kabuto can endure any attack Naruto throws, especially since the Bijuu Blast is only dangerous if it directly hits. The Edo summons can fight to aid both Kabuto and Sasuke. Anyway, the answer to Chibaku Tensei is to stay close to Nagato, since he wouldn't be able to use it without pulling himself up too. Even knowing Amaterasu was coming and being preprogramed to react to attacks, Nagato still couldn't counter Amaterasu until after it had hit and taken him down for a while. Nagato focusing on Naruto didn't prevent him from being able to see Kirabi attack with his summons, yet Itachi was ale to take those summons out and then come save the two before Nagato could even react. He can only absorb Susanoo's blade if he knows it's coming, and with genjutsu, Sasuke can set him up to not see it. But even if he used his chakra absorption, Sasuke has an actual sword which wouldn't be effected by it. There's no reason to think the Rinnegan couldn't be caught, especially since the Sharingan can be and it's actually noted for it's genjutsu ability. Shikamaru did escape Tayuya's genjutsu. He did so by breaking his finger. Escaping an ocular genjutsu would be harder, since it takes effect basically instantly.

Except that Sasuke was able to react to Ee's shunshin, so Naruto's current speed should not be that major of an issue, and Onoki didn't obliterate Susanoo. Madara revealed that he purposely allow Onoki to hit him because he's a master troller. There's no reason the chakra cloak wouldn't burn, it's not any difference from Ee's cloak or an actual Bijuu. As far as we've seen, Naruto can't just discard a piece of the cloak. He would have to deactivate it completely. And let's not forget that his ability to knock out a person in a minute with his genjutsu, meaning that Sasuke is more then capable of managing on his own.

Nagato was hit because he, for one, believed Itachi to be his "ally", when Kabutomaru could have predicted that Itachi would have turned against ET? And after that, he was hit because Amaterasu's prep time was over ( the pressure, eye blood and everything ). The moment he feels the pressure, Nagato would blast Sasuke away.

As for stick to Nagato, you know that he has Shinra Tensei, right?
Good luck sticking with that lol.
And Itachi hit Nagato after he used the blind-spot shurikens to blind the summons, otherwise he wouldn't have hit jack. Shame that Sasuke can't do the same. And in case you don't know, Rin'negan sees chakra, Susano'o is a costruct made of chakra, so even under a genjutsu ( if he can be subjected to one ) the Rin'negan could see through it. And its not like one of Naruto's clone, or arms, or tails, would aid Nagato, right?

And Shika escaped through pain, like Kurenai did against Itachi's eye counter, while he escaped with Kai to Kabuto's A rank genjutsu.
And not to delude you, but Sasuke's genjutsu are weak, remember? He isn't a master in genjutsu, he can do them because he is a genius, but he is far from being all that proficent with them.

Sasuke reacted to Ee simple elbow, when he shunshined Sasuke completely lost sight of him, and that's why he used the flamed Susano'o.
When Raikage shunshined, he appeared behind Sasuke, and Sasuke kept looking forward. Only after the Raikage stopped Sasuke turned around. Karin said so herself. And not only this Naruto is way faster than Raikage, since with his incomplete chakra mode he was faster, but he can also predict in a similar way ( even with lesser power though ) to Sage Mode, in case he needs a little bit of extra reflexes.

And yes, Jinton obliterated Susano'o, in both cases Susano'o wasn't even there, Madara simply could've absorbed it like he did the second time.
The first he was hit, and Susano'o was no more. Or what, now Sasuke can absorb ninjutsu too? And Naruto Bijuu mode is special, since he harbors the strongest bijuu. He is different, and he can create and move his chakra when he wants, and like he wants. He did so in the war over and over and over, keep dreaming.

Now that the reply to Sasuke wanking is over, please provide me with an answer to this:

-what is Sasuke's answer to Chibaku Tensei, if ET are occupied with Naruto?
-what is Sasuke's answer to a Bijuudama to the face?
-what is Sasuke's answer to Naruto's ultra speed?
-what is Sasuke's answer to Shinra Tensei?
-what is Sasuke's answer to Gedo Mazo?
-what is Sasuke's answer to 20 clones spamming Rasen Shurikens?

And I will provide you, in advance, with answers to Sasuke's incredible offensive potential:
-Amaterasu -> Speed or Shinra Tensei
-Susano'o arrows -> speed or Shinra Tensei/Human Path
-Tsukuyomi -> Kyuubi or Rin'negan
-Amaterasu's spam -> Speed or Shinra Tensei

admit it, until Sasuke's new powers are revealed and he is hyped, he doesn't stand a chance unless Kabutomaru uses all his ET to babysit him.
Recent chapter basically regressed Sasuke's hype by proving that Sage Mode is more than enough to deal with his MS powers, so be patient, admit defeat and wait with us for the moment when dr Snakes shines again

[Rikudou King]

Nagato was hit because he, for one, believed Itachi to be his "ally", when Kabutomaru could have predicted that Itachi would have turned against ET? And after that, he was hit because Amaterasu's prep time was over ( the pressure, eye blood and everything ). The moment he feels the pressure, Nagato would blast Sasuke away.

The Edo summons are design to react and defend against a known attack. Sasuke can stick in Susanoo whike he prepares and shoots it.

As for stick to Nagato, you know that he has Shinra Tensei, right?
Good luck sticking with that lol.
And Itachi hit Nagato after he used the blind-spot shurikens to blind the summons, otherwise he wouldn't have hit jack. Shame that Sasuke can't do the same. And in case you don't know, Rin'negan sees chakra, Susano'o is a costruct made of chakra, so even under a genjutsu ( if he can be subjected to one ) the Rin'negan could see through it. And its not like one of Naruto's clone, or arms, or tails, would aid Nagato, right?

And Sasuke got Susanoo. If it can endure the suction of the Baku, the reverse of enduring a push should be possible also. and again, the Edo summons are design to react to an attack. Itachi blinding his summons should have alerted him to said actions, yet he wasn't able to react at all to it. And Sasuke's skills with shurikens are near equal. Um, Sharingan can see chakra too, yet that doesn't prevent it from being placed in one.

And Shika escaped through pain, like Kurenai did against Itachi's eye counter, while he escaped with Kai to Kabuto's A rank genjutsu.
And not to delude you, but Sasuke's genjutsu are weak, remember? He isn't a master in genjutsu, he can do them because he is a genius, but he is far from being all that proficent with them.

Sasuke's genjutsu isn't weak. Orochimaru, Deidara, Shi, and Danzo would all disagree with that. His Tsukuyomi merely weaker then Itachi's because he lacks the ability to manipulate time within it.

Sasuke reacted to Ee simple elbow, when he shunshined Sasuke completely lost sight of him, and that's why he used the flamed Susano'o.
When Raikage shunshined, he appeared behind Sasuke, and Sasuke kept looking forward. Only after the Raikage stopped Sasuke turned around. Karin said so herself. And not only this Naruto is way faster than Raikage, since with his incomplete chakra mode he was faster, but he can also predict in a similar way ( even with lesser power though ) to Sage Mode, in case he needs a little bit of extra reflexes.

Sasuke reacted in the middle of Ee's shunshin by coating his Susanoo in flames. Have we not see the speed of Ee's shunshin in relation to the likes of Minato and Naruto? Also, Ee didn't stop. Anyway, we've seen that even if Naruto knows amaterasu is coming, in his cloak form he still isn't good enough to move before it's shot and hit. In order for him to attempt that, he would ahev to be focusing on watching Sasuke, a dangerous action. And considering he's slower in Sage Mode, knowing it's coming wouldn't mean he would be able to avoid it.

And yes, Jinton obliterated Susano'o, in both cases Susano'o wasn't even there, Madara simply could've absorbed it like he did the second time.
The first he was hit, and Susano'o was no more. Or what, now Sasuke can absorb ninjutsu too? And Naruto Bijuu mode is special, since he harbors the strongest bijuu. He is different, and he can create and move his chakra when he wants, and like he wants. He did so in the war over and over and over, keep dreaming.

Madara said that he allowed Onoki's attack to hit him in order to demoralize the Kages.

Now that the reply to Sasuke wanking is over, please provide me with an answer to this:

-what is Sasuke's answer to Chibaku Tensei, if ET are occupied with Naruto?
-what is Sasuke's answer to a Bijuudama to the face?
-what is Sasuke's answer to Naruto's ultra speed?
-what is Sasuke's answer to Shinra Tensei?
-what is Sasuke's answer to Gedo Mazo?
-what is Sasuke's answer to 20 clones spamming Rasen Shurikens?

And I will provide you, in advance, with answers to Sasuke's incredible offensive potential:
-Amaterasu -> Speed or Shinra Tensei
-Susano'o arrows -> speed or Shinra Tensei/Human Path
-Tsukuyomi -> Kyuubi or Rin'negan
-Amaterasu's spam -> Speed or Shinra Tensei

- Against Chibaku Tensei? Keep close to Nagato where it's safe.
- Against the Bijuu Blast? As long as he can avoid a direct hit, the shockwave shouldn't be a problem seeing as we've seen several people handle it with lesser defenses.
- Naruto's speed? Susanoo. At this point in time, Naruto can only move that fast for five minutes before dropping back to base mode.
- Shinra Tensei? Susanoo again.
- Gedo Mazo? Shunshin to take Nagato out. If Hanzou can avoid it with shunshin, then Sasuke can do likewise in getting next to the weaken Nagato.
- 12 clones? Susanoo and a field covered in Amaterasu.

- Speed itself is not enough. One has to also be waiting for Amaterasu to be shot before dodging it. Same with Shinra Tensei.
- Same as with Amaterasu.
- Sasuke took Kirabi down for a moment with his Tsukuyomi, meaning he can do the same against Naruto, except this time not just stand there but land the finishing strike. And the Rinnegan couldn't negate a genjutsu any better then the Sharingan can.
- Amaterasu spam? Nothing would prevent the field from getting covered in the flames.

admit it, until Sasuke's new powers are revealed and he is hyped, he doesn't stand a chance unless Kabutomaru uses all his ET to babysit him.
Recent chapter basically regressed Sasuke's hype by proving that Sage Mode is more than enough to deal with his MS powers, so be patient, admit defeat and wait with us for the moment when dr Snakes shines again

How does Sasuke stand no chance? I could agree the odds are against him, but saying he stands on chance when we've seen him handle similar troubles? Kabuto dodging one arrow doesn't change things, especially since Danzo basically did the same thing in his own fight.

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The Edo summons are design to react and defend against a known attack. Sasuke can stick in Susanoo whike he prepares and shoots it.

They aren't designed to react to the allies' jutsus, otherwise Sai's brother would've attacked Deidara, which made him explode.
Simply put, Itachi freed himself after having "charged" Amaterasu. With the eye ready, Amaterasu is almost istantaneous

And Sasuke got Susanoo. If it can endure the suction of the Baku, the reverse of enduring a push should be possible also. and again, the Edo summons are design to react to an attack. Itachi blinding his summons should have alerted him to said actions, yet he wasn't able to react at all to it. And Sasuke's skills with shurikens are near equal. Um, Sharingan can see chakra too, yet that doesn't prevent it from being placed in one.

So now Baku's suction has the same power as a Shinra Tensei.
Its not like, you know, Pein blasted away with a normal Shinra Tensei 3 giant summons, right? How biased can you get?
As for Itachi's, his shuriken technique was so succesfull because he can bend the trajectory to hit the blind spots, you clearly see the shurikens/kunai's curve. And no, dr Snakes never ever showed something as remotely close, all he did was throw a shitload of shurikens.
And Sharingans gets caught by genjutsus, its just that they can break them.

Sasuke's genjutsu isn't weak. Orochimaru, Deidara, Shi, and Danzo would all disagree with that. His Tsukuyomi merely weaker then Itachi's because he lacks the ability to manipulate time within it.

They all got caught, but only Shi was offed by a Genjutsu.
Orochimaru was defeated only because the jutsu was reversed ( not a genjutsu ), Deidara escaped Sasuke's genjutsu, and Danzo did too effortlessy. Simply, in the middle of the fight, Sasuke exploited Tsukuyomi in the best way possible.
Tobi comment is "a weak Genjutsu"

Sasuke reacted in the middle of Ee's shunshin by coating his Susanoo in flames. Have we not see the speed of Ee's shunshin in relation to the likes of Minato and Naruto? Also, Ee didn't stop. Anyway, we've seen that even if Naruto knows amaterasu is coming, in his cloak form he still isn't good enough to move before it's shot and hit. In order for him to attempt that, he would ahev to be focusing on watching Sasuke, a dangerous action. And considering he's slower in Sage Mode, knowing it's coming wouldn't mean he would be able to avoid it.

The Amaterasu's flames were equipped because Sasuke couldn't follow Raikage's movements, so he activated that defence.
Karin comments that it was a smart move because Raikage's speed was too much that no one could follow, so Sasuke chose to enclose himself in a Amaterasu-coated Susano'o.
And Naruto is not good enough to dodge Amaterasu? After this, arguing is pointless. We saw that, in Sage Mode, one has a capacity to react even greater than the 3-tomoe Sharingan ( Kakashi and Danzou couldn't dodge the Susano'o arrow from an MS Susano'o, while Kabuto could, effortlessy, dodge it ), and with Sage Mode he is likely as fast, if not faster, than Sasuke when he almost avoided Amaterasu.
And in cloak mode it isn't even a challenge, since he has the reflexes and the speed to do it.

Madara said that he allowed Onoki's attack to hit him in order to demoralize the Kages.

Exactly, destroyed Susano'o he could've sucked the jutsu, which he did the second time.
See the scans, in both cases, Susano'o isn't there, neither in the first time, when he was hit, nor in the second time, when it was sucked. Or what, Madara sucked his Susano'o too?

- Against Chibaku Tensei? Keep close to Nagato where it's safe.
- Against the Bijuu Blast? As long as he can avoid a direct hit, the shockwave shouldn't be a problem seeing as we've seen several people handle it with lesser defenses.
- Naruto's speed? Susanoo. At this point in time, Naruto can only move that fast for five minutes before dropping back to base mode.
- Shinra Tensei? Susanoo again.
- Gedo Mazo? Shunshin to take Nagato out. If Hanzou can avoid it with shunshin, then Sasuke can do likewise in getting next to the weaken Nagato.
- 12 clones? Susanoo and a field covered in Amaterasu.

- Speed itself is not enough. One has to also be waiting for Amaterasu to be shot before dodging it. Same with Shinra Tensei.
- Same as with Amaterasu.
- Sasuke took Kirabi down for a moment with his Tsukuyomi, meaning he can do the same against Naruto, except this time not just stand there but land the finishing strike. And the Rinnegan couldn't negate a genjutsu any better then the Sharingan can.
- Amaterasu spam? Nothing would prevent the field from getting covered in the flames.

-Not possible if Nagato blast him away with Shinra Tensei, or Naruto engulfish him in the bijuu mode cloak, like he did with Kakashi and Gai. So with CT, Sasuke is done
-Oh god, this is priceless. You do realize the range of a Bijuudama, right? Multiply the range of a bijuudama to five, since we saw that Kyuubi's has as much power as five merged Bijuudamas.
Considering that it obliterated a mountain, I doubt that Sasuke can escape it in time.
-True, but could Susano'o defend Sasuke from any attack that Naruto uses? Rasen Shurikens, planetary Rasengans and such? It got blasted away with a Jinton, I don't doubt that Rasen Shuriken has considerable power
-Except that your statement in which Susano'o can withstand Shinra Tensei because it withstanded Baku's sunction, which is infinitely less powerful, is, pardon me, BS
-Of course. Sasuke's light-speed. Why do I bother?
-Clones so fast to likely evade Amaterasu, and all capable to use the Rasen Shuriken. But of course, a speed superior to the Raikage, the one that dodged Amaterasu, wouldn't be enough.
Please.

-Speed and reflexes. Naruto has both. Nagato knew Amaterasu was coming, so Shinra Tensei too.
Amaterasu is useless
-Susano'o arrows aren't instantaneous, and Kabuto showed us that with pre-recognition and a bit of speed those can be dodged too. And Nagato would simply suck them, like he sucked Bee's chakra when he instantly-Lariatted him. So, again, useless
-True, if he can be catched, at the speed he goes, or in the bijuu mode. But since not only Sasuke can't genjutsu both at the same time, but Naruto and Nagato both can still blast away Sasuke for the second or two required to escape the genjutsu, this point isn't relevant.
-Shame that unless Sasuke is still and in full Susano'o form, he would get burned too. And Nagato can fly, like Deva did. Naruto would simply need to flee where it is comfortable, enter bijuu mode, and blast away Sasuke

How does Sasuke stand no chance? I could agree the odds are against him, but saying he stands on chance when we've seen him handle similar troubles? Kabuto dodging one arrow doesn't change things, especially since Danzo basically did the same thing in his own fight.

Danzou didn't dodge, he used Mokuton to intercept it. Kakashi, which uses the sharingan as well as any Uchiha, couldn't dodge.
Kabuto could, while having the time to mock them by wagging his finger. Simply put, you are too blind by bias to see what everyone which isn't a Sasuke lover sees:
until he has showed exactly what his EMS can do, he doesn't stand a chance, since his MS is equal to Sage Mode, and up until now all he used was MS jutsus.
It isn't a shame to not be in a Rin'negan user and a perfect Jinchuriki's league yet, if Itachi didn't have his haxed sword, he would suffer the same fate.
I'm sure that, in your mind, right after Rikudou Sennin and ET Madara you would place the actual Sasuke, right?
After all he can dodge Bijuu damas, can withstand Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei and he is too boss to have his jutsus be absorbed by Preta Path, right ?
Get real, as it stands right now Sasuke is good, but not that good. Wait for a bunch of chapters so we all can bask in Sasuke's glory again