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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Like I've said before, we can all imagine subjective scenarios to explain why we think a certain character might defeat another characher however, it's ridiculously silly arguement to make statements as though they're fact because.... I could easily say
Minato starts by throw his heavy (remember Rin try to hold one?) sharp knifes at great speed vs Itachi
Itachi dodge the knifes
Minato teleports and BAM!! Gameover ^_^
Far-fetched? Nah I don't think so but it is boring
Notice what I did there? An example of a subjective scenario.
We can all imagine thousands of scenarios as to why we think a certain character would win against another but guess what? We cannot do a thing to go against another scenario which is contrary to our own, made by someone else, unless we can provide FACT (You know, an indisputably case, statement, stat, reality).
These arenas are made in order for people to view/comment their opinions (THAT'S IT!!)
If it was fact, then the arena is pointless, boring, repetitive and etc with people saying
a) yes I totally agree with that...
b)no duh... It's was shown in the manga......
a)yes I know...
b)then what are we even arguing about?
a) umm......I donno ^_^
You might be thinking.... What now then? What i'm I suppose to do? How can we even agrue against and be right/correct?
Well the thing is, you are not suppose to be right/correct when giving an opinion.. THAT IS THE POINT ^_^
Well you if you don't have a special knowledge, you have to survive the very first strike through Hirashin to have the time to figure out. Raikage didn't get it until Minato's strike on his back.
A person only has seconds to figure out hiraishin before they are dead in most cases
Oh don't bring the subject back up about killer bee saving his life, there are people who say the raikage wasn't in any danger from minatos attack because of his raiton shield. Honestly, seeing how killer bee is fully knowledgeable of raikages capabitiea he should know what he can and can't handle, so if he could have handled that attack why in earth try and save him?
Kakashi said that Itachi wasn't showing his full power. Keep in mind that Kakashi wasn't talking about the Mangekyou Sharingan, because he was shocked when Itachi used it. When Kakashi was talking about Itachis full power, he didn't mean Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Yatas Mirror, the Sword of Totsuka or Yasaka no Magatama!
So it's okay if we just give Itachi a space/time Jutsu?
Zetsu is my next example. He said "Itachi should have been much stronger than this.". That was after Itachi used Clones, Genjutsu, Katon Jutsus, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo, the Sword of Totsuka, Yatas Mirror.
Did you see any Itachi supporter who says that we should assume that Itachi can use Jutsu XYZ against opponent XYZ, because it was stated that he has much more up his sleeves than the manga showed?
Sasukes first charge at Raikage would have succeeded, since Darui (who also has full intel about Raikages capabilities) countered Sasukes attack?
I didn't intend to post here again, but people forget Itachis biggest advantage against Minatos kunais. They have seals -> that is chakra -> Sharingan can see chakra -> Itachi won't let them get near to him or will use Clones in order to analyze what the fuck a glowing kunai is supposed to do.
What you posted isn't the same situation, Dariu was setting up an attack, not necessary pushing the raikage out of the way ( but u may say this is him protecting the raikage which he is, but it's not in the same case)
Say I'm pushing my friend out of the way of an incoming attack that could hurt him, that is what happens in the situation with minato. Then in the other circumstance the friend is attacking the opposer who is coming at them.
I totally forgot about the seals have chakra on them..... This would change the out come of the battle between Sasuke and Minato. Sasuke may Underestimate his opponents, but he isn't dumb. Sasuke would realize something is different about the Kunai and reflect them or get out of range until he figure out what they are meant for. With that being said, Sasuke wins due to him having to much fire power.Quote:
Since it works like a Kuchiyose in which you add a shunshin, the chakra is used by the user ( Yondaime ), not the medium ( the kunai ), so Itachi most likely wouldn't see nothing.
Not only that, but manga showed that the notion that Sharingan> all in reflexes and capacity to react is false and moot:
not only Sage Mode > Sharingan, but also that Naruto in chakra mode and Yondaime have comparable reflexes than Uchihas, if not better:
Naruto reflexes vs version 2
Yondaime reflexes vs version 1
Sasuke reflexes vs version 1 - Sasuke totally losing sight of version 2
So while the Sharingan may have the upper hand, we know that Yondaime's reflexes are at least comparable to one who has the Sharingan, and so a taijutsu fight would likely produce a stalemate in which Yondaime would mark Itachi, if Itachi wouldn't had the prior knowledge of Yondaime being able to seal things only by touch. Raikage figured it out after Bee saved him, and we don't know if that was their first encounter, since they seemed to knew each other pretty well. Raikage hinted too that they faced multiple times.
Again, without prior knowledge or a body like the Third Raikage is actually very difficult to avoid a blitz from Yondaime
Raikage warned Naruto before he charged at him and on top of that Raikage attacked Naruto with the killing intend, something Naruto can sense. Don't get me wrong, I'm not downgrading Narutos feat or anything else. Minato doesn't have a permanent active sensing ability. Bee also has great reflexes, but didn't know what the fuck was going on when Itachi attacked him. Reflexes aren't going to help you if you don't see a Jutsu performed.
Still how would the chakra being constantly released from the tag? Unless he stores it beforehand, which could be actually a valid option
Actually never though about it, I'm talking about A going at Naruto with the intent to kill.Quote:
Right, very good catch. As for clones I agree, since even Sharingan can't seem to differenciate between clones, so Yondaime has no way in hell to tell the real Itachi from a clone.
Unless he does this sensing thing. Don't really know how it works though, we only know that, regardless, both him and Niidaime instantly spotted every enemy on the field using it
I do get your point however, that you cant dodge say... Shinra tensei or FRS with your eyes closed and not knowing which directions they have been used or even heard the sfx.
I can't for the life of me figure out why me defending Itachi as opposed to Minato means im a fanboy. Is it because anybody going against Minato is seen as wrong? Is he truly loved that much? Well Itachi isn't my favorite character, hell he isn't even in my top 10. Sooo Fanboy? Me? I don't think so...
Well if you actually took time to read what i said you would have seen that nowhere in my post did i try making a scernaio that Itachi would catch Minato. All i did was clarify that if Minato got caught that the fight was as good as over. If you read what all the post said as opposed to just dropping by and picking and choosing specific post that you think are worthy of thrashing then you would realize that your fellow Minato supporters were making ludicrous statements like Genjutsu not working on minato because well...he's minato.
Stop talking about Subjective scenarios and trying to sound all high and mighty. Its all you have done every time you have posted. The name of this thread is "Minato Namikaze VS All-comers(except sage)". Its a Versus thread. So while we might not be able say for an actual fact who would win we are able to make a strong enough argument for a character that their victory would be most likely. Just like Itachi would most likely win because of everything he has shown in the manga. There is no factual proof but based on what the posters supporting Itachi have said(and lack of convincing counter arguments for minato fans) in this thread it is almost a guarantee.
Last edited by NinjaStar; April 26, 2012 at 05:08 PM.
Kirabi knowing of Ee's capabilities doesn't mean anything if he had nothing on Minato's capabilities, and being overprotective would be natural. Anyway, we've seen the Lightning Cloak can endure much stronger technique then what Minato has shown.
Last edited by Rikudou King; April 26, 2012 at 05:06 PM.