MINATO NAMIKAZE VS ALL-COMERS (EXCEPT SAGE)

[Uchiha_Blood]

All I can say is that attacks will always have inconsistent effects depending on the siituation and its relevance to the plot and fight. For example, Tsunada punches are capable of cracking Madara's Susanoo which completely brushed off Naruto's Oodama rasengan. Yet during the Kabuto fight, Tsunada's haymaker on Kabutos face produced minor injuries but a young Naruto's rasengan completely obliterates him even with focused healing. Heck, why do shinobis that consitantly get smashed through rocks need to dodge kunais? It makes no sense really. Also, technically, Naruto only landed one hit on Sasuke while cloaked. All the other hits were while he was cloakless or by just the chakra shroud.

Anyways, Naruto with Kyuubi tailless cloak have demonstrated a lot of power. He cracked Haku's ice mirrors with its pressure alone and was able to completely stop the momentum of Orochimaru's giant snake charging forward during their forest meeting. Considering that type of power, will of fire moment, and the attack being the ultimate game ender, I don't see Naruto's attack vs Neiji having any less power than if he just made a rasengan. That's just my interpretation but who really knows. Also, Neji had no problem with keeping up with the speed of tailless Naruto.

True, is all functional for the plot, I'm sure, for example, that Susano'o will not be obliterated by a Bijuudama while it got pierced by a Fuuton.
Also to be fair, Tsunade's haymaker wasn't at full strenght since Kabuto cut her muscles before that.

As for Naruto, while it is true that Kyuubi's chakra enhanced his strenght, I doubt that he could just go up and punch holes bigger than a Rasengan, it defies common sense, but of course is a matter of opinion.
Passing to Neji, remember that he passed to kunai/shuriken throwing against tailless Naruto? Even Naruto taunted him for it. Now my memory isn't the best for that battle because I, like, didn't read it for years, but I cleary remember that Neji was pretty much on the defensive against Naruto after he summoned Kyuubi's chakra.

Since he has shown that he can control is water without needing to recreate his body, Suigetsu wouldn't necessarily be wasting that much chakra fighting.

Well I doubt he would just be a blob of water, against Juugo he reformed his body despite having him in his grasp

The point is still that we've seen regular chakra can lessen the damage from the Rasengan, so his armor and natural amount of chakra should do just as good. And what problem would they have with him hitting them when his hits would be ineffective? The longer the fight goes on, the better chance they have of landing a hit, and since Minato doesn't possess any enhanced durability, that one hit would do plenty. If Minato keeps hitting around the same spot, it's not gonna take a genius to figure out where he should aim.

It depends, because if Juugo is in mid-swing and Yondaime teleports, what can he do?
Juugo is a berserker, he doesn't have a rational mind, and his berserker state is the only one that would enable him to survive that long, since "normally" he isn't much. Also he loses control easily

Minato wouldn't have "all the time in the world". We saw that Tobi was fully capable of tricking and catching Minato before he could react. The fact that Tobi had Minato mainly on the defensive the majority of their fight and the time was only turned by the second stage trick pretty much prove that unless Minato could catch Tobi off guard again, Tobi wouldn't have trouble against him. Heck, simply taking off his cloak would have removed the tag from Tobi, putting them right back where they were beforehand.

That was because he didn't have a tag on Tobi, simple.
That tag is what enables him to have an advantage, and that is the reason why Yondaime always, always tags his opponents when he hit, we saw it with the Iwa fodder, with Tobi and with Bee.
Also no, he has the seal on his back, directly on his body.
See?
Also Tobi had no idea where the tag was, so its not like he would get rid of it

[Rikudou King]

As long as Minato does not get hit before he knows what is what and i don't see how considering who he is facing and how that is a salamander that Hanzou summons. Those things are known for poison. The world record for holding your breath is 18 minutes 32.6 seconds (had to google it yes :P) now considering Minato is going to move a lot and he is no world record guy he is going to have some 4 mins? More then enough to get in, fight and then teleport out when he needs to breath. Yes you and i can't hold that long but we are not super ninjas right?

But doesn't that only work if Minato knows how long the poison will last and how long it takes Ibuse to create more? Without knowing that, Minato will have to risk running out of breathe before he can set up close to Hanzou.

Well I doubt he would just be a blob of water, against Juugo he reformed his body despite having him in his grasp

Suigetsu reformed his body after he caught Juugo and the latter was going down. He wouldn't have to reform to fight.

It depends, because if Juugo is in mid-swing and Yondaime teleports, what can he do?
Juugo is a berserker, he doesn't have a rational mind, and his berserker state is the only one that would enable him to survive that long, since "normally" he isn't much. Also he loses control easily

Transform his body to enable him to strike elsewhere, such as creating those chakra blasters to shoot behind him. Being a berserker doesn't mean not having a rational mind. He's clearly rational enough to modify and adapt his attack, as oppose to fruitlessly attacking over and over again with the same attack. And he was plenty much to help against Kirabi and the samurai fodder.

That was because he didn't have a tag on Tobi, simple.
That tag is what enables him to have an advantage, and that is the reason why Yondaime always, always tags his opponents when he hit, we saw it with the Iwa fodder, with Tobi and with Bee.
Also no, he has the seal on his back, directly on his body.
See?
Also Tobi had no idea where the tag was, so its not like he would get rid of it

My mistake, but it doesn't change the overall facts. Tobi would still have five full minutes to remain intangible and immune from Minato's attacks, where he can easily keep forcing Minato to waste energy attacking nothing. And since there is no difference between Tobi's appearance when he's phased and when he's solid, he can easily go solid when it's safe without Minato knowing before going intangible again. Minato's only indication of Tobi being solid is when he attempts to grab him, and as we saw with Fuu and Torune, Tobi can easily pretend to go for the touch while remaining phased. Minato can't not attack Tobi, else he risk being warped away. And since we saw that Minato's reactions weren't fast enough to completely avoid Tobi when not expecting it, Tobi catching off guard would work perfectly.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King


He only needs to see it 1 time to determine how long it takes for the poison to disipate. After that its clear enough. Then he leaves 1 kunai back or tag and he can teleport out of range at any time. It really does not matter how long and how ofthen that think can shoot as long as Minato has a easy way of instantly teleporting out of range.
But as i said, this is asuming Hanzou does not get a luky shoot in before Minato figures it out but i don't belive he has a shoot at it as Hanzou is known in the world and a salamander is known for poison.

[Rikudou King]

Well the only issue I see with that is since the cloud of poison covers quite a huge area, setting up the out of range tag is gonna take time, unless he literally continuously jump from one thrown kunai after another the whole way there.

[xXan]

Well the only issue I see with that is since the cloud of poison covers quite a huge area, setting up the out of range tag is gonna take time, unless he literally continuously jump from one thrown kunai after another the whole way there.

Trow 2 kunai as hard as you can in 2 separate directions and you have you tags. The Salamanders spits direcly in front of itself so teleporting the other way and you are safe.

I can trow a kitchen knife for a long distance. Minato can do that a lot more lol.

[Rikudou King]

See, I question that, because he threw a bunch against Ee and they didn't exactly go a great distances. I suppose throwing it behind Ibuse would be one defense, though getting it around it so that it lands behind doesn't seem likely to be straight forward. Anyway, I would say that would clue Hanzou into Hiraishin and raise the chances of him avoiding where the kunai are placed, requiring more work on Minato's part to land a blow.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

Because that was the area he needed them in. There is no way he can't trow them further. He also trew 20-30 of them at the same time, big diference. Those kunais whent some not even 10m... Its just not possible for a man to not be able to trow them a longer distance.

Even here and the distance is way greater:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/240/4

How heavy do you think a kunai is? World record for trowing discus:

The men's world record for the men's 2kg discus throw is held by Jurgen Schult of Germany with a throw of 74.08 meters in 1986.
The women's world record for the women's 1kg discus throw is held by Gabriele Reinsch of Germany with a throw of 76.80 meters in 1988.

I obviously can't find people trowin Kunai's and i can't go outside to try it with a kitchen knife but it should give you an idea.

[Rikudou King]

I remember that example, but we were specifically told that the kunai tags that Minato used were heavier then a regular kunai. So I presumed that would effect how far it could be thrown.

[ninjabot]

I obviously can't find people trowin Kunai's and i can't go outside to try it with a kitchen knife

Why not?

As for the rest, part of Hiraishin's strength is that no one expects him to teleport to a kunai. Doing something like throwing two kunai in directions other than where his opponents are would immediately make those looking at him suspicious.

[xXan]

I remember that example, but we were specifically told that the kunai tags that Minato used were heavier then a regular kunai. So I presumed that would effect how far it could be thrown.

Well if he can trow 20 of them at that range... Just multiple with 20. Now he could also trow the tags like vs Raikage. Shunshin a huge distance back (like when he saved Kushina from the Kyuubi hand but only a bigger distance as this time no Kushina), then leave a kunai back and then just ST back to where he was.

Why not?

As for the rest, part of Hiraishin's strength is that no one expects him to teleport to a kunai. Doing something like throwing two kunai in directions other than where his opponents are would immediately make those looking at him suspicious.

Because i don't have an empty field anywhere close to me. What if i hit somebody or a car.

The Kunai discussion was on how to avoid the poision and not to get the drop on Hanzou, for all i care he can have info on how they work from the start.

[Rikudou King]

Well if he can trow 20 of them at that range... Just multiple with 20. Now he could also trow the tags like vs Raikage. Shunshin a huge distance back (like when he saved Kushina from the Kyuubi hand but only a bigger distance as this time no Kushina), then leave a kunai back and then just ST back to where he was.

That's the thing, unless he was holding back his strength in that throw, the amount thrown shouldn't have made a major difference in the distances they could go. Seem like alot of work just to set up his tags when it seems like it would be simpler to just directly attack Hanzou.

[ninjabot]

Because i don't have an empty field anywhere close to me. What if i hit somebody or a car.

Unless you have a security guard or hidden camera nearby, nut up and start throwing knives in the street!

The Kunai discussion was on how to avoid the poision and not to get the drop on Hanzou, for all i care he can have info on how they work from the start.

Didn't Ibuse erupt from the ground when Hanzo was fighting Kankuro's team? As a surprise attack? I'm sure Minato's reaction time is elite, but there's certain reactions, whether you have the time to perform them or not, that leave you in a dire situation regardless. Not to mention poison is carried on the wind and Minato could accidently throw his kunai downwind, only to have the fog wash over him.

[Zehahaha]

Unless you have a security guard or hidden camera nearby, nut up and start throwing knives in the street!




Didn't Ibuse erupt from the ground when Hanzo was fighting Kankuro's team? As a surprise attack? I'm sure Minato's reaction time is elite, but there's certain reactions, whether you have the time to perform them or not, that leave you in a dire situation regardless. Not to mention poison is carried on the wind and Minato could accidently throw his kunai downwind, only to have the fog wash over him.

If Mifune " pwned " Ibuse... I fail to see Minato not reacting to him. Especially since it was said that Raikage reaction speed is comparable to that of Minato... So no way that Ibuse would give trouble to him.

So far, Hanzou didn't show anything that could suggest he'd able to beat Minato, except maybe that poison in his body, if Minato stabs him there, I think it would be dangerous for him.

[ninjabot]

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/531/16

He can react to him, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying his reaction won't save him. He'll realize what's happening and prepare a counter, but he will have been swallowed by the moment he draws a kunai, let alone two at once. Mifune also knew beforehand to hold his breath so that he wouldn't be poisoned by the gas inside Ibuse's mouth. Minato would have no such prior knowledge. I'm sure he'd cut his way out, but he will have inhaled a lung full of poisonous gas by then, meaning it won't matter.

There's also the possibility of hitting him with a Rasengan and rupturing his poison sac. Rasengan causes internal injuries, but nothing says Hanzou can't pierce the sac of his own accord.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

Minato is the type to analize his opponent and not rush in. Vs Raikage he first trew his tags around then started the fight. He is not going to just charge in like a nut. Also his shunshin no jutsu and it should be enough to move out of the way but who knows. Naruto is defenetly going to set up some tags before moving in.
As i said Hanzou could get a shoot in by suprise but small chanses of that happening.

@ninjabot

Knifes are expensive dude. If i kill/injure someone i can't run there to pull it out...

I am sure Minato would know the direction the wind blows. Also he would have no problem holding his breath for some 3-4 minutes and the poison goes away extremly fast as showed with Mifune jumping in the next page (after that summon shot its poison) and not getting effected by it.