MINATO NAMIKAZE VS ALL-COMERS (EXCEPT SAGE)

[Naruto2011]

Kishi really needs to reveal a lil bit more about Minato so we can accurately judge him ability wise. I have the last data book and unfortunately his stats weren't there, so either in the manga or the next databook he should reveal more of his repertoire like nature affinity, if he knew genjutsu, what other seals did he know, and so on

[marshall313]

That's not to mention the seals have chakra, making it stand out to the sharingan, byakugan, and maybe the rinnegan. He's not out there scribbling markings with a marker. Neiji has a good chance of beating Minato because of this. It'll limit hiraishin's usage by revealing all its locations and Jyuuken is deadly in any close quarter combat.

No. you're 1000% wrong. The seals doesn't have a chakra but still it was visible to an ordinary eyes, sharingan and byakugan. But the byakugan, or neji can determine the exact location of minato's seal in his body or into the battle field. But it doesn't mean he has a chance to defeat minato with just an ability like that. Jyuuken is indeed deadly if minato get hit with that. If neji can hit it on minato.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-268-8/...apter-263.html

Neji found the seal barrier with his byakugan but your-so-called-seal-that-has -chakra is nowhere to be found. Neji did found that seal barrier but not because it has a chakra but rather that he just seen it with his byakugan as an ordinary paper.

[Gats]

I don't remember hanzou covering the battlefield in poison and keeping the battlefield like that and Minato can hold his breath, teleport in strike and move away or just run in and hit and then teleport away. That mask can protect Hanzou from the effects of that poison so in essence its not going to get Minato in any other way aside from breathing it. But he could get a lucky shoot in before Minato figures out what this dudes abilties are.

Aside from a lucky shoot before Minato can gues his abilities are i really have no idea what this dude can do. You need to inhale the poison for it to work and the moment he tries to release it Minato can just hold his breath and teleport away and then attack from a diferent side or w8 for the poison to disperse.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/530/15
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/530/16

[xXan]

@Gats

I think you missed the part after the words you used bold on.

[Gats]

@Gats

I think you missed the part after the words you used bold on.

I didn't miss that. Just thought that the gas didn't disappeared as fast as you're implying. But it seems that, a chapter later, when Mifune is holding Hanzou, the gas already disappeared.

[xXan]

I didn't miss that. Just thought that the gas didn't disappeared as fast as you're implying. But it seems that, a chapter later, when Mifune is holding Hanzou, the gas already disappeared.

A chapter later? Its on the next page
Minato would have no problem holding his breath that long.



Scanlators did a poor job, that's all. -Gats

[chilibun]

@marshall313,

I'm sorry, but you did not prove that the seals did not contain chakra. Kishi simply needed to show that Neiji found them, so he did. There was no need for Kishi to go into that chakra vision view, so he didn't. Chakra is the fundamental energy that powers all jutsus. So unless Hiraishin seals are powered by magic, it needs to some source of chakra.

As for Neiji, exactly how is Minato going to win easily with his Hiraishin neuatralized or at least limited. Heck, if Neiji carried a bag of explosive tags, he can just throw one at every tag to destroy it. Neiji also has good speed and trains with Lee and Gai. I doubt he will have trouble keeping up with Minato's base speed. For the record, I'm not saying Neiji is going to win, but that he and the Byakugan provides a very tough challenge to Minato.

[M3J]

Not to mention, Neji has one of the best defense out there. Not sure if rasengan will work, but nothing short of that will penetrate. Though, if Neji doesn't know about the seals on the kunai, Minato has the perfect chance to surprise him by appearing to one of the kunai that was blown a short distance away from Neji's Kaiten. If he grabs it, it could be trouble for him, but I'm not sure if Minato will teleport when Neji's still spinning.

[xXan]

Not to mention, Neji has one of the best defense out there. Not sure if rasengan will work, but nothing short of that will penetrate. Though, if Neji doesn't know about the seals on the kunai, Minato has the perfect chance to surprise him by appearing to one of the kunai that was blown a short distance away from Neji's Kaiten. If he grabs it, it could be trouble for him, but I'm not sure if Minato will teleport when Neji's still spinning.

A rasengan would kill him or leave him in a very bad state. Naruto punching with some Kyubi chakra was enough to get trough that Kaiten (spelling) and hit Neji. Naruto got damaged to but you get the idea.

[chilibun]

A rasengan would kill him or leave him in a very bad state. Naruto punching with some Kyubi chakra was enough to get trough that Kaiten (spelling) and hit Neji. Naruto got damaged to but you get the idea.

What makes you think Naruto and Kyuubi chakra is any less potent than a rasengan, especially considering their skill level around that time. Naruto has done way more crazier stuff with Kyuubi chakra than a rasengan ever did. Naruto also did not punch through kaiten. The resulting force pushed back both parties. A kaiten and rasengan smashing together would likely cause an explosion that would damage both parties, but kaiten parries a lot of resulting force so he should theoretically take less damage.

[Uchiha_Blood]

What makes you think Naruto and Kyuubi chakra is any less potent than a rasengan, especially considering their skill level around that time. Naruto has done way more crazier stuff with Kyuubi chakra than a rasengan ever did. Naruto also did not punch through kaiten. The resulting force pushed back both parties. A kaiten and rasengan smashing together would likely cause an explosion that would damage both parties, but kaiten parries a lot of resulting force so he should theoretically take less damage.

Simple, let's take Naruto vs Sasuke:
Naruto using Kyuubi chakra trashed Sasuke, and all he did was making him bled, you know like a normal punch and everything. Say Naruto would've shoved his Rasengan into Sasuke's face, right now Itachi would've been facing Kabuto alone.
We saw time and time again that even a simple Rasengan is potentially lethal ( Kabuto, Deva Realm ) if taken fully.

Also, Neji proved to have some difficulty against faster opponents ( Naruto in the tailless cloak ) and Yondaime needs only to touch him to mark him with Hiraishin and end the fight, even if he sees his seals and even at the cost of 2 or 3 tenketsu closed.
Still he would not go down that easily considering that he can blast his chakra from every tenketsu, so the moment Yondaime would vanish he could blast his chakra everywhere and potentially injure him, while Kaiten takes time, and I doubt that the Rasengan would be stopped completely by it.

How awesome would've been if, instead of focusing on the Sharingan, Kishi throwed a bone to the Byakugan and amplied its powers or added some sort of strange ability passed down in the Hyuuga clan.
Shame, I loved every battle Neji was in.

[chilibun]

Simple, let's take Naruto vs Sasuke:
Naruto using Kyuubi chakra trashed Sasuke, and all he did was making him bled, you know like a normal punch and everything. Say Naruto would've shoved his Rasengan into Sasuke's face, right now Itachi would've been facing Kabuto alone.
We saw time and time again that even a simple Rasengan is potentially lethal ( Kabuto, Deva Realm ) if taken fully.

Also, Neji proved to have some difficulty against faster opponents ( Naruto in the tailless cloak ) and Yondaime needs only to touch him to mark him with Hiraishin and end the fight, even if he sees his seals and even at the cost of 2 or 3 tenketsu closed.
Still he would not go down that easily considering that he can blast his chakra from every tenketsu, so the moment Yondaime would vanish he could blast his chakra everywhere and potentially injure him, while Kaiten takes time, and I doubt that the Rasengan would be stopped completely by it.

How awesome would've been if, instead of focusing on the Sharingan, Kishi throwed a bone to the Byakugan and amplied its powers or added some sort of strange ability passed down in the Hyuuga clan.
Shame, I loved every battle Neji was in.

All I can say is that attacks will always have inconsistent effects depending on the siituation and its relevance to the plot and fight. For example, Tsunada punches are capable of cracking Madara's Susanoo which completely brushed off Naruto's Oodama rasengan. Yet during the Kabuto fight, Tsunada's haymaker on Kabutos face produced minor injuries but a young Naruto's rasengan completely obliterates him even with focused healing. Heck, why do shinobis that consitantly get smashed through rocks need to dodge kunais? It makes no sense really. Also, technically, Naruto only landed one hit on Sasuke while cloaked. All the other hits were while he was cloakless or by just the chakra shroud.

Anyways, Naruto with Kyuubi tailless cloak have demonstrated a lot of power. He cracked Haku's ice mirrors with its pressure alone and was able to completely stop the momentum of Orochimaru's giant snake charging forward during their forest meeting. Considering that type of power, will of fire moment, and the attack being the ultimate game ender, I don't see Naruto's attack vs Neiji having any less power than if he just made a rasengan. That's just my interpretation but who really knows. Also, Neji had no problem with keeping up with the speed of tailless Naruto.

[Rikudou King]

I don't remember hanzou covering the battlefield in poison and keeping the battlefield like that and Minato can hold his breath, teleport in strike and move away or just run in and hit and then teleport away. That mask can protect Hanzou from the effects of that poison so in essence its not going to get Minato in any other way aside from breathing it. But he could get a lucky shoot in before Minato figures out what this dudes abilties are.

Aside from a lucky shoot before Minato can gues his abilities are i really have no idea what this dude can do. You need to inhale the poison for it to work and the moment he tries to release it Minato can just hold his breath and teleport away and then attack from a diferent side or w8 for the poison to disperse.

Hanzou wouldn't need a permanent way to keep the field covered, he can simply have Ibuse release the poison every five minutes. The gas covers a pretty big area, so unless Minato has a tag near Hanzou, getting close is gonna take effort and carry the risk of Minato accidentally breathing the poison in. Not to mention, depending on the nature of the poison, simply holding one's breathe wouldn't prevent it from being taken in through the eyes or skin. Hanzou can't do much physically against Minato, true, but his poisons should be enough to rely on to win while he stays on the defensive.

In the immediate no, hell if you aren't a skilled Raiton user or use overpowered jutsus you can't oneshot Suigetsu.
Still it would make him use a good bit of chakra to recreate his body from water everytime

Since he has shown that he can control is water without needing to recreate his body, Suigetsu wouldn't necessarily be wasting that much chakra fighting.

Disagree, Taka really took a dive in the Kage Summit Arc imho

Regardless of the outcome, going toe to toe with Kumo's best isn't something I would call taking a dive.

Simply because Juugo's defence isn't comparable to Raiton Armour, and Raiton Armour wasn't able to withstand FRS, it was the Third's body, but let's not talk about that, otherwise we would go forever lol.
What I'm trying to say to you is that he, like Suigetsu, will not be oneshotted, but the longer the fight goes, the longer he has no chance of winning, since he would be hit over and over, since Yondaime can mark him no problem.
And I doubt he can react in his blind spot, Raikage charged him up front

The point is still that we've seen regular chakra can lessen the damage from the Rasengan, so his armor and natural amount of chakra should do just as good. And what problem would they have with him hitting them when his hits would be ineffective? The longer the fight goes on, the better chance they have of landing a hit, and since Minato doesn't possess any enhanced durability, that one hit would do plenty. If Minato keeps hitting around the same spot, it's not gonna take a genius to figure out where he should aim.

You forget one important thing:
the Sharingan can't see in the back, so with Tobi marked Yondaime would have all the time in the world to stab him, see the hand passing through and then retreating. Tobi couldn't risk being tangible when Yondaime had a hand passing through him, otherwise he would've a hole the size of an arm in his chest. Don't forget, Hiraishin seals on the body permits Yondaime to teleport behind the opponent, like he did against that Iwa fodder.
We saw that Yondaime's reflexes are top notch, the guy reacted in a moment

Minato wouldn't have "all the time in the world". We saw that Tobi was fully capable of tricking and catching Minato before he could react. The fact that Tobi had Minato mainly on the defensive the majority of their fight and the time was only turned by the second stage trick pretty much prove that unless Minato could catch Tobi off guard again, Tobi wouldn't have trouble against him. Heck, simply taking off his cloak would have removed the tag from Tobi, putting them right back where they were beforehand.

[xXan]

@chilibun

Because of the other feats we have from Rasengan. It showed the ability to kill and do good damage to stuff. Naruto's punching with some Kyuubi chakra.... Not so much. But you are correct Naruto himself is going to take damage but Neji should be in bad shape nonetheless.

@Rikudou King

As long as Minato does not get hit before he knows what is what and i don't see how considering who he is facing and how that is a salamander that Hanzou summons. Those things are known for poison. The world record for holding your breath is 18 minutes 32.6 seconds (had to google it yes :P) now considering Minato is going to move a lot and he is no world record guy he is going to have some 4 mins? More then enough to get in, fight and then teleport out when he needs to breath. Yes you and i can't hold that long but we are not super ninjas right?

[marshall313]

@marshall313,

I'm sorry, but you did not prove that the seals did not contain chakra. Kishi simply needed to show that Neiji found them, so he did. There was no need for Kishi to go into that chakra vision view, so he didn't. Chakra is the fundamental energy that powers all jutsus. So unless Hiraishin seals are powered by magic, it needs to some source of chakra.

As for Neiji, exactly how is Minato going to win easily with his Hiraishin neuatralized or at least limited. Heck, if Neiji carried a bag of explosive tags, he can just throw one at every tag to destroy it. Neiji also has good speed and trains with Lee and Gai. I doubt he will have trouble keeping up with Minato's base speed. For the record, I'm not saying Neiji is going to win, but that he and the Byakugan provides a very tough challenge to Minato.

No. it really prove my point. AS you know, the byakugan can see a chakra to anything that has a chakra when it's activated. Meaning, when neji activate his byakugan, he can clearly seen anything that has a chakra. That's one of the vision power of byakugan. From birds to insects, from ninja to invisible ninja and to anything that has a chakra. If neji never seen any chakra to the barrier seal then it's safe to assume that a seal doesn't have any chakra. And the hiraishin seals are powered by minato's chakra. Minato is the one who use his chakra to activate his hiraishin seals.

Neji's byakugan can't really help him for not getting killed by minato. ANd if neji will going to throw his exploding tag to every minato's tag kunai, do you think minato will just going to cheer him on? And i don't think neji can hit every tag kunai of minato, because minato himself is a master of weaponry. He can throw his kunai to deflect his enemy's kunai even though he's far away. So deflecting neji's kunai isn't that hard for minato.