Minato Namikaze vs. Hashirama Senju

[xXan]

If an old and tired Sarutobi can pull it, why not Minato who was acknowledged as a genius and who is in HIS PRIME ?

Do you even remember HOW Sarutobi detected them? By using his nose to sense the smell... Can you provide evidence that Minato can do that?
Also you are ignoring:

1-Sarutobi was able to do that to 2 mindless robots charinging in like morons with nothing but kunais.
2-Sarutobi knew that genjutsu.

Right now Minato does not know what that is and how it works and Hashirama is going to assault him on all sides with trees, polen, wood clones and so on.

[Zehahaha]

Do you even remember HOW Sarutobi detected them? By using his nose to sense the smell... Can you provide evidence that Minato can do that?
Also you are ignoring:

1-Sarutobi was able to do that to 2 mindless robots charinging in like morons with nothing but kunais.
2-Sarutobi knew that genjutsu.

Right now Minato does not know what that is and how it works and Hashirama is going to assault him on all sides with trees, polen, wood clones and so on.

And Minato can just use Hiraishin lvl 2 and decapitate him before using any of his Mokuton and so on.
Kakashi/Sarutobi were shown to have a strong sense of smell, why not Minato ?

Even if Minato doesn't know about the technique, he's the guy who figured how Tobi's ability work in a matter of seconds, you think he won't figure the effects of that Genjutsu easily too ? One of the most fearsome abilities of Minato is his intellect...


Heck, let me tell you this (in the same way you did about Hashirama), Hashirama doesn't know about Hiraishin, so Minato just needs in the very beginning to throw a Kunai to him, use Hiraishin, try to kill him, if he fails to do so he'd mark him, and then your Hashirama is doomed.

[xXan]

@Zehahaha

And Minato can just use Hiraishin lvl 2 and decapitate him before using any of his Mokuton and so on.
Kakashi/Sarutobi were shown to have a strong sense of smell, why not Minato ?

That is what Minato fans like but unfortunatly this is not valid. For some reason Hashirama would need to allow the Kunai to pass him and ignore the kunai, if Hashirama just hits the Kunai away this is not going to work. Minato teleporting direcly in his face is not going to work, he needs the blind spot...

Kakashi needed to place blood as a mark and summon hunting dogs to smell Zabuza in the mist that works close to the same as you can't use you ears and eyes. Also no, just because those can do it does not mean Minato can... This is very bad logic.

Even if Minato doesn't know about the technique, he's the guy who figured how Tobi's ability work in a matter of seconds, you think he won't figure the effects of that Genjutsu easily too ? One of the most fearsome abilities of Minato is his intellect...

Oh yes because going trough Tobi with your hand would mean what else aside from the fact that he can go intangible lol. For genjutsu its diferent as he would need to find out WHAT senses he is effected with and how bad his chakra is messed up (from the genjutsu) and by then he could already be dead. Even after that he can't fight Hashirama like that...

Heck, let me tell you this (in the same way you did about Hashirama), Hashirama doesn't know about Hiraishin, so Minato just needs in the very beginning to throw a Kunai to him, use Hiraishin, try to kill him, if he fails to do so he'd mark him, and then your Hashirama is doomed.

As i said, he needs blind spot or this does not work. Also Hashirama likes to keep distance and use the trees to fight... Then we have Hashiramas super healing crep... Tsunade had a HUGE HOLE in her chest... How much you whant to beat he is going to heal the damage Minato does? Minato is going to need to do a LOT of damage to him over multiple hits to put him down. Minato can't blitzz him.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Oh yes because going trough Tobi with your hand would mean what else aside from the fact that he can go intangible lol. For genjutsu its diferent as he would need to find out WHAT senses he is effected with and how bad his chakra is messed up (from the genjutsu) and by then he could already be dead. Even after that he can't fight Hashirama like that...

By that reasoning, Kurenai and Shikamaru are gods, since they broke a genjutsu without a problem through pain

[xXan]

By that reasoning, Kurenai and Shikamaru are gods, since they broke a genjutsu without a problem through pain

Eh no. That information is generaly known to the ninjas but that does NOT work for the darkness. Sarutobi got cut multiple times and the genjutsu was still there.

[NinjaStar]

Hashirama uses the darkness tech, and while Minato is trying to smell him out, senju then uses the pollen to feel up the area. Game over. Minato can not kill hashirama, he can't out last him,and he will have trouble finding him. Idk if there are many that could beat Hashirama but minato certainly isn't one of them....until minato gets another display of power showing something worthwhile.

[Zehahaha]

That is what Minato fans like but unfortunatly this is not valid. For some reason Hashirama would need to allow the Kunai to pass him and ignore the kunai, if Hashirama just hits the Kunai away this is not going to work. Minato teleporting direcly in his face is not going to work, he needs the blind spot...

Kakashi needed to place blood as a mark and summon hunting dogs to smell Zabuza in the mist that works close to the same as you can't use you ears and eyes. Also no, just because those can do it does not mean Minato can... This is very bad logic.

This is what Hashirama's fans like, but unfortunatly, it isn't valid. For some reason, Hashirama would repel the Kunai even though he doesn't have any intel about Minato's technique, instead of just considering it some random Kunai that is thrown, also people assume that Minato would just sit and do nothing and let himself get caught in a Genjutsu + Pollen + Mokuto whatever combo.

Again, unless you're Kishi, why Minato cannot have a good sense of smell while Kakashi/Sarutobi do have it ? Enlight me please.

Oh yes because going trough Tobi with your hand would mean what else aside from the fact that he can go intangible lol. For genjutsu its diferent as he would need to find out WHAT senses he is effected with and how bad his chakra is messed up (from the genjutsu) and by then he could already be dead. Even after that he can't fight Hashirama like that...

Oh yes because figuring out that you need to blitz Tobi and that the only time you can hit him is when he attacks you is what Minato figured out, not being intangible, any Genin can figure that much after attacking him LOL.
What senses are affected ? Ohmygod never laughed so hard in my life... Hashirama's Genjutsu is darkness, everything becomes darks, you can't localize the enemy using your eyes, that's it... How many seconds it will take Minato to realize that ?

As i said, he needs blind spot or this does not work. Also Hashirama likes to keep distance and use the trees to fight... Then we have Hashiramas super healing crep... Tsunade had a HUGE HOLE in her chest... How much you whant to beat he is going to heal the damage Minato does? Minato is going to need to do a LOT of damage to him over multiple hits to put him down. Minato can't blitzz him.

Daaaaaamn. He likes to keep his distances ? Have we ever saw him fight ?
Can he regenerate his heart ? Can he regenerate his vitals ? What do you think Hashirama is ? Ulquiorra maybe lol ?

[sylvesterrahim]

@ninjastar with this argument hashirama wins every battle, name some one and I can use that argument just like you just did, that's the problem with these forums, this isnt an rpg game you don't attack and than the other person gets his turn.

@zehaha, this is why i proposed "the active participant clause" often time these arguments are like rpg games, thats why you see tired all comments like "uchiha use genjutsu battle over" as if ppl are just standing still waiting to loose. makes no sense to me.

[NinjaStar]

@ninjastar with this argument hashirama wins every battle, name some one and I can use that argument just like you just did, that's the problem with these forums, this isnt an rpg game you don't attack and than the other person gets his turn.

At this point there aren't many people that can beat Senju, soooo yes. With that argument he does win the majority of the battles he is put in. Thats what happens when your hax and overpowered.
I wasn't suggesting that this was like an RPG game. I fully expect minato to do something but all he can do is teleport and try to anaylze the situation. If he teleports into the area of the pollen then its game over. I made that post because i was referring to the debate that minato was gonna try to "sniff" out Hashirama while in the genjutsu, but then will be poisoned. Having said that i don't think minato will be in that situation and will most likely teleport away. But he can't keep teleporting away if he wants to end it because all it will do is help Senju figure out a counter to FTG. And once again Minato lacks the stopping power to put Senju down. I have yet to see anybody tell me how minato will kill Hashirama...

[Zehahaha]

Kunai + beheading him = Dead Hashirama
Kunai + stabbing him in the heart = Dead Hashirama

Any other examples again ?

[ninjabot]

The seeds sensed Naruto & co because they ate it and only when they were, they do not grant extensive sensing abilities imho

According to the wiki the one stuck in Sakura's shoes was used to sense her location.

The clone is made up of the user's own cells, transformed into vegetation. Because of this, when it is changed into a seed and ingested into the body or left on a target, it can be used as a transmission device of sorts. The user can use these to track their target as the seeds respond to their chakra only.[5]

Chapter 301.

Guess I'm the only FPS Camper here... lol

No, camping is fine. It's just, normally in FPS's you can't find where the camper is until they fire a shot on your radar... or kill you when you accidentally walk into their crosshairs. If Hashirama drops a seed on Minato however, they'll all know exactly where he is, so hiding only makes him a sitting duck, since all the clones will know where he is now.

[NinjaStar]

@Zehahaha

Well for one its not gonna be that easy to get close to him(not even close). Secondly even if he does get into close quarters that isn't the end all be all. Hashirama should be decent enough to survive a taijutsu match against Minato long enough to get away or at the very least to avoid getting stabbed in the heart or getting his head cut off. And lastly i would argue that getting stabbed in the heart kills Senju. I don't honestly think it can. But even if he could how does minato know that the person he just stabbed wasn't one of Hashirma's 25 clones?

[RezzieThaRapper]

According to the wiki the one stuck in Sakura's shoes was used to sense her location.

The clone is made up of the user's own cells, transformed into vegetation. Because of this, when it is changed into a seed and ingested into the body or left on a target, it can be used as a transmission device of sorts. The user can use these to track their target as the seeds respond to their chakra only.[5]

Chapter 301.



No, camping is fine. It's just, normally in FPS's you can't find where the camper is until they fire a shot on your radar... or kill you when you accidentally walk into their crosshairs. If Hashirama drops a seed on Minato however, they'll all know exactly where he is, so hiding only makes him a sitting duck, since all the clones will know where he is now.

@ the bolded area... this implies that he can in fact touch Minato... not saying he can't, but it doesn't seem likely... is the seed sticky or something, is Minato going to have an open pocket... I mean Tsunade pick pocketed a young Naruto mid ass whooping... but I don't see Hashirama sticking a seed on Minato at anytime during the battle... unless you could give me a plausible scenario... I am open to plausibility...

[Shaunlim]

Notices the guy behind the tree before Kakashi did with his nose/sense(?)

Confirms that the guy is alone meaning that he already knows the other 19 are clones at that point

I for one doubt that the darkness genjutsu will do much to hinder Minato considering his high sense of his surroundings and his superb ability to see through a jutsu's weakness upon seeing it a few times/once.

[ninjabot]

@ the bolded area... this implies that he can in fact touch Minato... not saying he can't, but it doesn't seem likely... is the seed sticky or something, is Minato going to have an open pocket... I mean Tsunade pick pocketed a young Naruto mid ass whooping... but I don't see Hashirama sticking a seed on Minato at anytime during the battle... unless you could give me a plausible scenario... I am open to plausibility...

That's the thing: he's got over 25 chances to touch Minato, and we've seen those seeds stick in the cracks in Sakura's nin boots... and Minato wears clothes. Drop a seed in his collar by faking a neck slash with a kunai. It only takes one survived Hiraishin to know exactly what to do to defeat it and potentially, he hits a clone instead of the real Hashirama, who's mangled body sneaks a seed into his clothes right after. He could even sneak behind Minato the exact way Tobi did (but by coming out of a tree instead of just warping) and plant one on him that way, before Minato turns and tries to stab him. Maybe he hits him and he regenerates. Maybe he teleports away instead. Eitherway, those seeds were small enough that they can be snuck into most crevaces in clothing IMO.