One Piece 663 Discussion

[orangeday]

VERY VERY amazing Chapter
1. ODA make me over laugh
2. Who is Caesar Clown ... so he was ex marine .. what his porppse ?
3. GUN ? what kind of gun ?

[chitgoks]

Sabo was confirmed dead by Oda himself, so you don't have to believe it anymore

i would have wanted to say that sabo could be law all grown up hahahaha. but really ... oda said he's dead? tsk...

[Poneglyph420]

This chapter was awesome and packed with action, comedy and procession of the plot. Law is really mysterious, I just can't figure how he's connected.. What did he lose?? His crew, his own heart or what?! It seems like Caesar Crown will end up being the one who reveals the mysteries of Punk Hazard.. His connection to Vegapunk and his penchant for creating deadly weapons sure makes him sound like a great person for Luffy to beat the crap out of IMO.

I almost peed in my pants as I first read this chapter, Oda is hilarious!
Sure seems like the three main "groups" of CC and Law and co., Luffy and crew and Samurai dude, And Smoker and crew are destined to confront each other again. There's no way either the SH or Law can go anywhere without Law first setting them back to normal. And it seems like Smoker knows too much to hold back at this point.. I'm excited to find out more about this CC guy, and man am I glad he's not just some amorphous mass..! I do however wonder if Franky and Tashigi can now use the DF of their body or not?

[LunaLuca]

This was a great chapter. One of the most hilarious actually. Luffy's Trafal-guy/Traffy. XD Luffy being depressed over losing Leggy. Him playing and jumping with the kids while Usopp was explaining. Sanji/Nami's interactions..glorious. Especially Nami in Franky's body. And Usopp/Luffy ROFL at the body switching of the others. LOL The StrawHats are really back.

On a more serious note, I also believe that what Law wants to have back is his crew. The look on his face when Luffy ask where is Bepo was suspicious. And that Ceasar Crown, a leading expert in weapons of mass destruction, is so intriguing. The next chapter will most likely show him talking to Law and thus giving more informations. I can't wait. This arc is getting more and more exciting.

A little clarification, by the by. From the mangareader trans., it was said that CC was a former bounty hunter. HE'S NOT!

Mangastream J-Preview and CCC from AP both pointed out that he was a bounty head, a wanted man himself.

[beck26]

i see it like this bro....

tashigi in smoker's body = will still turn to smoke but knows the fighting style of tashigi.
smoker in tashigi's body = can use smoker's jutte.

nami in franky's body = can use ALL of franky's weapons...but of course, no mastery.
sanji in nami's body = he may prove to be the most useful here...all skills of sanji can be used but i dont think nami's body can withstand it...but considering sanji knows okama kenpo...
chopper in sanji's body = cannot use rumble ball...no transformation...useless imo.
franky in chopper's body = can transform but no mastery.

[k-dom]

I'm wondering if it is something bigger than saving his crew. I think there is some connection between his becoming a Shichibukai, his question in chapter 662 about "what you marines are scheming" and having something he wants to get back. I suspect something bigger than his crew, who may be safe and sound for all we know. Just because they have not been shown does not mean they are in danger. Not that it is not a reasonable prediction but I am wondering if there is not a bigger picture to consider.

There is sure something related to the "marines scheming" thing, that's why I don't think that Law is really a hostage here. That does not really get along with his character, also in the last page it does not seem like he was threatened by CC and speaks on an equal ground with him. I don't deny that his crew missing is suspicious either but we will see soon enough

About Zoro...I wonder if He could "felt" it. It would be interesting, actually, since his COO should be as high leveled as Luffy's one.

And great point on the Devil Fruit, actually. Damn, I just hope it's not the case anyway. But still makes me noise that He doesn't know He's a Tanuki Man. If he's from a japanese country, it's logical to assume that that beast is known. And if that's the case I wonder why he didn't mention that in the first place, being a well known legend.
If it's a Mythical Zoan, then the story exists, so it's no argument to say that doesn't apply in OP world.

What did Zoro felt exactly, did I miss something ?
bout the devil fruit, it seems that isolated island don't know about it, it was the same for Amazon island

[MiyamotoMusashi]

i wonder if law´s crew got attacked by the power jinbe was talking about. He said that after Aokiji left the marines the WG gave them a new dangerous power, maybe this power is some kind of chemical weapon which vegapunk "invented". Law´s crew got attacked and poisoned by it, so Law needs Caesar to develop an antidote. The reason for him to become Shichibukai could be for him to not be bothered by marines/WG while trying to find an antidote. Furthermore, this chemical weapon could be a part of what Law was referring to when he asked about the marines scheme.

[matzik1212]

A little clarification, by the by. From the mangareader trans., it was said that CC was a former bounty hunter. HE'S NOT!

Mangastream J-Preview and CCC from AP both pointed out that he was a bounty head, a wanted man himself.

Hmm i tend to believe MangaStream translation makes more sense . Actually i find it strange that a scientist was a former bounty hunter so i think it was a mistake made by the translators and after the incident CC received a bounty on his head for what happened at PH . This whole incident must be centered around him.
I'm really curious to see his face and don't know but i still think this guy isn't too strong. Law must have made a deal with him 'cause to me it didn't see like Law was forced to obey him . His manner of speech indicates so .

[Tonix]

i see it like this bro....

tashigi in smoker's body = will still turn to smoke but knows the fighting style of tashigi.
smoker in tashigi's body = can use smoker's jutte.

nami in franky's body = can use ALL of franky's weapons...but of course, no mastery.
sanji in nami's body = he may prove to be the most useful here...all skills of sanji can be used but i dont think nami's body can withstand it...but considering sanji knows okama kenpo...
chopper in sanji's body = cannot use rumble ball...no transformation...useless imo.
franky in chopper's body = can transform but no mastery.

How is Chopper useless? He actually benefits from the switches more than anyone else, his main powers have always been his medical abilities and he will have those no matter what body he's in. And he doesn't have to transform to fight anymore, he's in Sanji's body (one of the monster trio if you forgot ) Sanji is technically the best body to get switched into (besides Nami if you're a perv) since he is the only member of the Strawhats who doesn't use a weapon or a DF, so Chopper doesn't have to learn anything besides basic motor functions which he doesn't seem to be having a problem with so far. I don't expect to see Chopper using Sanji's actual techniques, but he still has access to Sanji's considerable raw strength.

I'm actually more interested in how Nami will fight in Franky's body, will she use her climatact or will she finally break down and start shooting beams?

[beck26]

just reread the latest chapter. now im pretty sure law is working for ceasar (maybe not hostage, but he collaborated with crown) to get his crew back.

luffy's group went to the icy side to look for the rest of his crew....law said "they both want something to retrieve"...for luffy it his crew. and law knew that like him, luffy is looking for his crew.

so he instructed luffy to go to "the back of research facility" becoz he knew that's where sanji's group went.

i think:

1. law didnt attack luffy becoz he knew that luffy got no idea of the situation. add that he cannot take on half of the strawhats alone....at first i thought law backstabbed ceasar but its seems he misdirected luffy to avoid fighting for now.

2. reason why he attacked smoker and co. was because they clearly are trying to raid the lab...which luffy's group doesnt really intend (except sanji's group which saved the kids, law prolly knew sanji would tell the situation later but he just want to avoid fighting for now)

3. now smoker and co. obviously wont leave the island...

PREDICITIONS:

*** smoker and luffy's group will meet upon entering the lab. (luffy's group will search for momonosuke, smoker aiming to capture crown and law)
*** few skirmishes until law and ceasar have enough and escapes the island.
*** smoker hitchhikes to the sunny and follows law and ceasar to get his heart back....and the big fights will be on another island. (strawhats and smoker, tashigi with big handicap...the only ones who could fight 100% are luffy, zoro, robin, ussop and brook....and the samurai)

THOUGHTS
*** yeah, law is a neutral villain here...but he will stay with ceasar until the end of this arc imo...the strawhat crew will learn of law's missing crew at the end of this arc.
*** i assume that some high ranking corrupt WG official is the one behind crown and law's affiliation in punk hazard...maybe this guy is the one who holds law's nakamas and law was supposed to go along with crown's experiment to get his crew back...(explaining why he doesnt want anyone to know the situation at punk hazard and endanger his hostaged crew.)
*** now smoker raided the island so law asked "what are you marines scheming?"...he is wondering why a marine is arresting him when he thought they are backed by WG.
*** this would also explain him becoming a shichibukai, im assuming (again, im assuming) that he actually planned on becoming one (yeah, maybe to spy on the marines), in which we all know, he sent 100 pirate hearts...so becoz of this, WG became aware of his ability and kidnapped his crew, tables had been turned and he must now work for crown in a secret experiment as a ransom for his crew.

i mean, law must be specifically picked for his ability right? mad scientist, experiment, laboratory = surgeon.

##### another thing, i dont think the samurai would be a nakama,....he is really funny though, i like his character.
1. the crew already got a male samurai
2. the crew already got pervs.
3. the crew already got zoans (if he is)
4. i dont think he got any other desire rather than look for momonosuke
5. i may speak too soon, but i cant see any tragic past in him.

##### about CAESAR CROWN: i think he is a logia (something like chemical related)...and i dont think he is a goat man, the pointed things prolly are real crown (like his name suggest) with his appearance in theme of a roman-soldier or royalty...(julius ceasar?)...that's why almost all of his minions are related to greek/roman myths.

HOPES
1. hope the crew will learn of how to fuse a devil fruit to weapon...coz i love for ussop to have a devil fruit weapon (kabuto beetle slingshot?)
2. hope strawhat and smoker-tashigi will be led by the samurai to wano kuni and they (zoro-tashigi|)upgrades their swords.
3. just a glimpse of vegapunk somewhere in the arc would be great....and thing that smoker wanted to say to luffy that aokiji thought was too stupid back in foxy arc.

sorry for the long post, just posted everything i wanted and i wont repeat it anymore (until the next chapter comes out)...i might get violent reactions.LOL

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How is Chopper useless? He actually benefits from the switches more than anyone else, his main powers have always been his medical abilities and he will have those no matter what body he's in. And he doesn't have to transform to fight anymore, he's in Sanji's body (one of the monster trio if you forgot ) Sanji is technically the best body to get switched into (besides Nami if you're a perv) since he is the only member of the Strawhats who doesn't use a weapon or a DF, so Chopper doesn't have to learn anything besides basic motor functions which he doesn't seem to be having a problem with so far. I don't expect to see Chopper using Sanji's actual techniques, but he still has access to Sanji's considerable raw strength.

I'm actually more interested in how Nami will fight in Franky's body, will she use her climatact or will she finally break down and start shooting beams?

im talking about fighting...not medical abilities...yeah youre right there, chopper can use sanji's strength...all im saying is chopper rely on his transformations....even if he eats a rumble ball on sanji's body it would have no effect imo.

sanji's skill doesn't rely on it...his skills are infused on him, reason why i think he would be the most useful whichever body he was switched to.

same as nami...i think even with franky's body she can use climatact becoz her skills are infused in his mind and doesnt rely in trnaforming...its all im pointing at.

[k-dom]

Actually Sanji has to worry since his precious hands are used by someone else. Chopper mainly fight with punches in his human form. All in all I think pretty much everyone is useless from the switch but one of the strawhat strength is their combo attacks since they know each others well so I may be surprised

[Tonix]

im talking about fighting...not medical abilities...yeah youre right there, chopper can use sanji's strength...all im saying is chopper rely on his transformations....even if he eats a rumble ball on sanji's body it would have no effect imo.

sanji's skill doesn't rely on it...his skills are infused on him, reason why i think he would be the most useful whichever body he was switched to.

same as nami...i think even with franky's body she can use climatact becoz her skills are infused in his mind and doesnt rely in trnaforming...its all im pointing at.

I don't think you're seeing things clearly, Sanji has definitely been handicapped. Sanji has been training HIS BODY for the last 2 years to the point where he can move faster than a fishman in water, and even walk on air. He's not going to magically be able to do those things as Nami, Nami's body is weak, that's why she uses her climatact or runs away.

And about Chopper, I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the rumble ball? He has no need to transform anymore since he's in Sanji's body, and Sanji's body is arguably stronger than all of Chopper's forms. And Chopper has multiple humanoid forms so he should have an idea of how to fight in Sanji's body.

Think about it like this, Chopper has his medical knowledge, his kung-fu skills, and he gets Sanji's strength. Sanji has his skills (in a body that isn't strong enough to utilize them) loses most of his strength and speed, and gains boobs. Who do you think benefits more?

[neomaster121]

Nice chapter

loved the crew interaction
loved luffy and law interaction

found it interesting Oda decided to make Zoro the only one to notice Law and his ability

CC and Law seem like partners
Future conflict still suggests to me if Law attacks, and judging by the way he says to luffy we are still pirates and then under his breath after directing them that they will meet again sounds to me like Law knows now luffy see's him as a friend but that paths will cross

especially if the crew head back to the lab to get the samerai's son
Law will not allow it and I think Will do something to luffy leaving him unable to fight law
Zoro and Law will fight for Law to rectify the changes he's made

But thats one ending, it's true i can't say that will happen as i think one big piece of the puzzle is what happened to law's crew, that question needs to be awnsered first in my opinion

[VegetarianWolf]

Before I would really like for Jimbei to join the crew but now I don't feel like it and I suddenly want for new faces to join rather than old ones because I think the characters would be overused so although it has a very low possibility I vote for the samurai for next nakama. I love his character and his abilities. Although he uses swords, I think he's still unique because Zoro uses 3, Brook uses 1 while he uses 2 so I feel like a swordsman trio would be perfect. Furthermore, his abilities of disguise could be tricky and playful at the same time and a position for spy to gather information will help the straw hats a lot. Don't worry it's just my opinion and I know it has a very low chance of happening but I really wish he'll join.

[Ninja_Pirate]

i see it like this bro....
nami in franky's body = can use ALL of franky's weapons...but of course, no mastery.
sanji in nami's body = he may prove to be the most useful here...all skills of sanji can be used but i dont think nami's body can withstand it...but considering sanji knows okama kenpo...
chopper in sanji's body = cannot use rumble ball...no transformation...useless imo.
franky in chopper's body = can transform but no mastery.

Nami... useless in franky... Nami who has updated her climatact over the years and learned to use it for the first time during the fight .. I think she will b able to use franky's body pretty well...
And recently shown choppers kungfu point and suddenly he gets the body of sanji, which pretty much use martial art(or something like that) all the time...
don't know what use will be of franky in choppers body.. but franky now know how to handle a bulky body (**monster point)
sanji i guess can only use nami's body for entertainment purpose

Anyways... hope this condition of theirs will not b for long... bcoz i don't wanna believe that law is a bad guy here .... but with his attitude.. the nice turn would be if at the end luffy ends helping/saving him and thus returning the favor so that they can fight each other over one piece with full heart...