One Piece 663 Discussion

[beck26]

LOL..if the samurai guy is a tanuki zoan then thats a good guess....his face paint makes him really look like a racoon.

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That's why I said saga and not arc. Vegapunk antagonism with M has been set twice already. And if my theory of him being behind the hybrids in state of Law is right then it is another reason to add him in the future events.

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Also I didn't expect the samourai to be a devil fruit user. I wonder what kind of ability it is, the spoiler was not really clear on that point

i still cant see vegapunk's connection here...the only thing i can see here is he abandoned the lab and his bastard subordinate took over it and partnered with law.

the samurai got the shopping shopping fruit? LOL...just thinking aloud....but the mythical racoon that grants wishes guess is much more credible...

***also, just thought of something...law mentioning "lets change our location" keep on giving me a weird feeling...

could it be that he thinks there are too many people in the island now that he needs to regroup and escape the island for now...also the reason he brought smoker's heart....to lure smoker and strawhats to his preferred place.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

So, if this Caesar Crown guy is a weapon specialist, then in this Arc Franky might have a chance to get some interesting upgrades. At least it would be quite logical to improve his weaponary as they will eventually fight really heavyweighters like Yonkou and their crews.
Also it would be great if we'll see Vegapunk soon and obviously I want to see more DF abilities.

[beck26]

law mentioning something like "debt from gratitude" to luffy....what could be law be pertaining to???

i dont want to think about this but is "gin" and "law" somewhat similar??????? if law is gin then i would accept that law really just wants to help luffy...

[Jorge D. Dragon]

You might be right on this.
The only thing I don't understand for now is that debt of gratitude... Maybe it's not to Luffy, but to someone else who is connected to Luffy. Maybe it's a debt to Dragon?

[beck26]

there's so many things ringing through my head right now....i got an idea but i could be wrong...

1. debt from gratitude = as i said, gin?
2. let's change our location = leading smoker and luffy somewhere where he is on an advantage?
3. what are you marines plotting? = umm, the punk hazard thing is an order from WG so he is wondering why a marine is raiding the operation???
4. the one you are looking for is in the back = well, the obvious is caesar crown...but could be more than that....what are strawhats looking for??? hmmm....the samurai's son? umm...i dont know..LOL

[k-dom]

i still cant see vegapunk's connection here...the only thing i can see here is he abandoned the lab and his bastard subordinate took over it and partnered with law.

the samurai got the shopping shopping fruit? LOL...just thinking aloud....but the mythical racoon that grants wishes guess is much more credible...

How can you not see a connection when he is named ? If M is a result of a Vegapunk bad experiment like many have said, the connexion is obvious. They have a grudge against him and plot something of a revenge. It explains Law comment 'what are you marine sheming' since it probably refers to what Vegapunk is doing. It explains why they want to remain hidden from the marines since Vegapunk is probably like a god for them.

***also, just thought of something...law mentioning "lets change our location" keep on giving me a weird feeling...

This phrase is subject to caution since it was not in cnet translation.

[beck26]

How can you not see a connection when he is named ? If M is a result of a Vegapunk bad experiment like many have said, the connexion is obvious. They have a grudge against him and plot something of a revenge. It explains Law comment 'what are you marine sheming' since it probably refers to what Vegapunk is doing. It explains why they want to remain hidden from the marines since Vegapunk is probably like a god for them.


This phrase is subject to caution since it was not in cnet translation.

sorry, i didnt know about the cnet translation..thanks for clarifying it.

yeah it was mentioned...just like aokiji and akainu's fight....still, no vegapunk connection other than its his abandoned lab and his subordinate is caesar crown...im guessing crown defected from vegapunk and partnered with law imo.

if crown directly mentioned that he is working for vegapunk, i will admit i am wrong. as i said, we are just throwing theories (which is really fun)..if im wrong, its cool, i dont mind.

*** please note im not implying that we wont see vegapunk in this arc or something....all im saying is the villain of this arc is still crown and law. (because law still got smoker's heart--which gives him a great chance to reappear in this arc)

and i dont think crown is a failed experiment...i think he is really an ability user...the centaurs, harpy and sheep guys are modifications of law and crown as well.

the dragon is vegapunk's pet which he abandoned along with the lab...

if im expecting something out of this arc, it will be franky discovering more technology or stuff (maybe fusing a devil fruit in a weapon...umm, ussop's?) then smoker and tashigi going with the strawhats as they enter wano kuni (zoro and tashigi getting new swords theory)

[Kyodai Senkan Mora]

law mentioning something like "debt from gratitude" to luffy....what could be law be pertaining to???

i dont want to think about this but is "gin" and "law" somewhat similar??????? if law is gin then i would accept that law really just wants to help luffy...

Where do I start.Law is from north blue and Gin from east blue, they use different weapons, he would not have had the time to gain a new identitiy, new fighting style, new crew, new abilities and still catch up to luffy at sabondy, also sanji would have most probably developed an interest .even in the craziness that is one piece there is no way in hell they are the same guy...in fact with all the mystery surrounding Law pretty much the only thing we can be certain of is that Gin IS NOT law

[beck26]

Where do I start.Law is from north blue and Gin from east blue, they use different weapons, he would not have had the time to gain a new identitiy, new fighting style, new crew, new abilities and still catch up to luffy at sabondy, also sanji would have most probably developed an interest .even in the craziness that is one piece there is no way in hell they are the same guy...in fact with all the mystery surrounding Law pretty much the only thing we can be certain of is that Gin IS NOT law

settle down...its just a thought that crossed my mind...i dont even believe in that theory even when i said it. chill bro.

[Sakazuki]

OH GOD! The samurai ate the legendary fruit Hito Hito, Model: TANUKI MARIO! Been serious, with we hadn't two other swordmen, I would like him to enjoy the SH. He is a perv, a ability user and is a almighty samurai and right now, a weirdo.

And about Law's speech, the ones who owes him a debt is Sanji, almost sure about that.

[k-dom]

Well it would be funny to have a real tanuki after chopper was taken for one all those time. There is the 'another swordman' thing which diminish his potential as a candidate but beside that he has everything necessary. His relation with his son must be clarified too, since so far he has no really reason to join.

Edit : Next issue is a color and double, which means we won't know what happens to the war protagonists before 3 weeks :-((
Also, I wish Mangastream had stayed to their first J-Preview format (at least for the big 3 which have fast scanlation release)

[Josef K.]

So we are getting more and more into the Vegapunk theme huh? Wonderful, I think we will find out more layers about the secret things that the World Government did on this island, I expect flashbacks were we see a shadowy Vegapunk at least. This Caesar guy is just the tip of the Iceberg for the whole thing. I also think we will find out that the marines overall are just a bit of a front group in dealing with pirates, more and more. This is kind of proven with CP9 and Impel Down but I think the Government has yet to fully uncloak itself.

[matzik1212]

The spoilers are great though i got to say i would have liked seeing a confrontation between Law and Luffy but well Luffy's that kind of guy , i mean he's the kind who gets pissed not right away . Still i have a feeling we'll see a clash between them by the end of this arc

And finally we get to see Sanji's ero side lol . I pity Nami for having such bad luck and having her body fall into Sanji's hands . I wonder if this body exchange will get back to normal after a certain time. I'm guessing this might actually be the case otherwise they'll have to search for Law to change them back or something .
Still i'm interested in something. The spoilers didn't gave us any information about Luffy's reaction to Smoker . Did he not see him or something ? It did say something like they ran from the marines but i'm interested to see his reaction after seeing Smoker .

[BlackHair]

Chapter is out!

[Ero-Sanji]

I'm not that interested in the CC guy nor Vegapunk, what I'm interested in is M and his plan/connection with/to Law. What are they doing and for what cause?
Anyway, the Tanuki man is very funny and interesting and judging from it's effects it seems to be of the legendary sort.