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Lol what is it with you guys. Of course he won't have the same rivals, but he will have similar ones damnit. If they did a 100 year time skip and you had a good guy character that was going to be Pirate King, and you had other Pirates with the same dream, and the Marines still existed, then you would still have to fill similar roles for those chasing/competeing with him! I don't know why I can't get yall to understand this simple concept, maybe it's because not enough was shown about Roger's past. No matter what, these four roles must be filled:
Rival Good Pirate
Rival Good Marine
Rival Bad Pirate
Rival Bad Marine
While there are a ton of characters in OP, some characters better fill these positions than others from what we have seen at this point, after all we are only half way through Luffy's story and we have only viewed very little of Roger's story from what happened at the end. But anyway, let's make some comparisons:
Rival Roger Luffy
Good Pirate Whitebeard (aka the one we know about, he obviously had many like Luffy) Law, Buggy, Kidd, Shanks
Good Marine Garp Smoker, Coby, Aokiji
Bad Pirate Shiki, maybe another not shown yet Blackbeard, Donflamingo, Kidd, Law
Bad Marine ??? Akainu, maybe Kong
The point is at some point these apex rivals will appear much more clearly as we find out exactly how good or evil they are, and exactly how powerful and important they are and eventually AT THE END OF THE SERIES we will have a very definite answer of ONE PERSON TO FILL EACH OF THESE ROLES. I'm looking for an opinion on WHO and WHY you predict someone to fill the "good" roles.
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Bah it changed the format of my fourth paragraph:
Rival Role Vs Roger Vs Luffy
Good Pirate = Whitebeard = Law, Buggy, Kidd, Shanks
Good Marine = Garp = Smoker, Coby, Aokiji
Bad Pirate = Shiki or other = Blackbeard, Donflamingo, Kidd, Law
Bad Marine = ??? = Akainu, Kong
no...wait wait...you guys are comparing every little detail of luffy and roger and when someone says that..."well its not the case with smoker and garp"...you guys make it broad and general like...."well they are both good marines..."
smh. oh yeah. lets do the twist...like we did last summer.
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Well brah, the only last thing I can say is wait til the series is finished. The truth is you have no idea whatsoever how Roger and Garp's relationship developed, you only know the end point. The same goes for Whitebeard. Also you must be assuming Roger went straight to Raftel and had no competing pirates or marines to deal with besides Roger, Garp, and Shiki. I'm sure once we get past the other half it'll become a little more obvious.
oh no not all...im not assuming anything.
i know roger faced many other pirates...but im afraid once we learned every pirates and marines roger faced....you guys might find each one of them counterpart with luffy's LOL.
and yeah. tell me if smoker and law and kidd will possibly be relevant in a major way in the end of the series....its quite obvious its gonna be akainu, blackbeard and coby who would be there along with the strawhats right at the ending...if you know how to construct a storyline (however wide oda's imagination is, he still follows the rules of writing a plot)...its pretty obvious the latter 3 i mentioned are being built up much larger than any other characters along with luffy.
according to the chapter of the alst week,CC, I think that Law will be rufy's whitebeard. I doubt he will join his crew,but they may help each other many times now.
I agree, A friendly rivalry between Law and Luffy makes sense. The one difference is that I expect a battle between Luffy, the Marines and World Government after he becomes Pirate King, the climactic battle of the manga. I think that Law will come to Luffy's aid during that war, allying with Luffy against the government.
To be completely honest I would expect kid to be the more serious rival luffy has among the supernova. Between roger and whitebeard, the scenario seems to be that they fought so much that they came to respect each other and eventually that turned into a weird friendship(at least that would be consistent with them fighting a bunch of times and it would be somewhat similar to the garp-roger situation). Luffy getting into a bunch of fights with law would not make as much sense as him getting into a bunch of fights with kidd, who is far more volatile and is actively messing around with yonko and apparently on his way to being the pirate king. In turn, law somehow ended up having to work for ceasar.... I think the situation with law would be one of an awkward friendship more than anything. Eventually luffy will help law, law not feeling he was owned anything by luffy will feel indebted to luffy which IMO will create something of a strange friendship.
I don't think there is anything friendly about Kid. He burned someone at the stake not to long ago. Kid will probably be a villain to be defeated rather than a friendly rival. Given the set up of this arc there is a good chance that Law and Luffy fight. They won't fight to the death, and they will likely retain respect for each other, but Law is allied to CC at least temporarily. That could lead to confrontation with Luffy. There is also a very strong possibility that in the near future Luffy defeats Big Mom and replaces her as a Yonkou. Thus Law in his role as a Shichibukai could end up confronting Luffy again later on in the manga.
I didn't say there was anything friendly about kid. I even mentioned him being volatile would be a reason for him to be more likely to fight luffy than law. There could be a confrontation between law and luffy however the manga has already hinted law lost something and helping ceasar is going to help him. And luffy still owes law his life, if law is in some sort of trouble odds are he will help him.
Pretty easy when it comes to Garp, it's Smoker... he fits perfectly.
As for Luffy's Whitebeard, that's harder... I don't really see Law as someone who has what it takes to be in Luffy's way. I'll say Blackbeard, as his ambitions are high and he is really powerful and he has a sick crew. Kidd is a candidate as well..
Smoker is quite clearly the Garp to Luffy's Roger. Oda has already made the parallels clear.
I think Smoker is the best fit for Garp, but I think Colby deserves an honourable mention, even though he's never really shown himself to be capable of rivaling Luffy. maybe Colby can be Ussopp's Garp?
Whitebeard is a harder role to fill, the closest person I can think of is Shanks, because of his strong connection with his crew and the fact that he doesn't seem to be making an effort to become pirate king himself. Maybe when he gets older people will start calling him 'Whitehair'
I am not saying there will be parallels per say, I don't think kid will become an actual WB. Law is dramatically different from WB in all regards. I do however believe that kid would end up being the most likely contestant for luffy for the PK race. He had the highest rookie bounty, he has a fruit which can change the tide of a war with a proper scale, and among the rookies is the one IMO most likely to pick a fight with luffy just because (due to being volatile). None of the other rookies has shown a strong predisposition to being direct rivals against luffy in the PK race at least IMO. Heck, kid is even actively fighting yonko. What is luffy's little declaration of war against kid actually taking out her boats?