Bleach 488 Discussion

[OtakuModeEngage]

no problem buddy, i been there lol



If this is the case then actually these guys have the upper hand due to both SS and HM being entirely made up of Reishi (whatever it was that Uryu used to beat Mayrui, when the buildings became part of Uryu's power), this would also be the reason why they are able to trap or seal bankai, the sudden burst of Reiatsu is then locked inside the cross thus sealing the persons power. Just a theory

Whoa! That's absolutely brilliant, what if they found a way to suck the Reishi directly out of the Bankai? A Bankai without Reishi would disappear, at least until the Soul Reaper pores more Reishi in, if he can; Bankas draw on all your Reishi so when its gone, there may not be enough Reishi to reBankai. Then of course, there is the shock factor that occurs when the Bankai disappears from your hands, and the time factor between losing your bankai and redrawing it, leaving you open for attack.

[devstauk]

Whoa! That's absolutely brilliant, what if they found a way to suck the Reishi directly out of the Bankai? A Bankai without Reishi would disappear, at least until the Soul Reaper pores more Reishi in, if he can; Bankas draw on all your Reishi so when its gone, there may not be enough Reishi to reBankai. Then of course, there is the shock factor that occurs when the Bankai disappears from your hands, and the time factor between losing your bankai and redrawing it, leaving you open for attack.

And then the reason ichigo's bankai cannot be taken is due to the amount of reishi being pumped out that being said if what he did against azien was truely mastering his bankai then it could be that its not so much the reishi its the fact that he no longer releases reishi to become bankai, which in turn would be very problematic to these VanDerReich's, either that or he pumps to much for the cross to handle... still speculation though.

well more importantly if they are ALL quincy, then their original conflict with SS would be what? we want the right to kill Hollows, cuz we feel they should be completely exterminated as an unecessary evil in the world? in which case why are they so easily able to kill each other? isnt it supposed to be "we despise the shinigami for what they did to our people"
and yet its a clear dictatorship

Its not yet clear why SS and Quincy actually went to war in the first place, originally it could have been that they saw hollows as a threat to everything so must be eliminated but SS wanted to keep balance... but why, the quincy in a way were doing them a favor.

But now it looks like they were actually trying to eradicate anything weaker then them, so SS stepped up to stop them which they thought they did until now

[OtakuModeEngage]

And then the reason ichigo's bankai cannot be taken is due to the amount of reishi being pumped out that being said if what he did against azien was truely mastering his bankai then it could be that its not so much the reishi its the fact that he no longer releases reishi to become bankai, which in turn would be very problematic to these VanDerReich's, either that or he pumps to much for the cross to handle... still speculation though.

My exact sentiments.

Its not yet clear why SS and Quincy actually went to war in the first place, originally it could have been that they saw hollows as a threat to everything so must be eliminated but SS wanted to keep balance... but why, the quincy in a way were doing them a favor.

But now it looks like they were actually trying to eradicate anything weaker then them, so SS stepped up to stop them which they thought they did until now

Well, not really, the Quincy don't just kill hollows and release their souls back into the stream of life death and rebirth, but eradicate their souls, thereby destroying the balance of the world, and if the scales are typed enough, the world itself.

[SaitoSpike]

which is exactly why im saying its obviously revenge but if its revenge for the war than why they kilin each other? there's clearly alot more than just revenge going on i mean if it was simply that he wouldnt have to kill his subbordinates left and right they're clearly on Nazi level zeal when it comes to their hate of shinigami so no further persuasion seems necessary, but if this King is just another rogue it'll kinda be lame and exactly the same as the other bad guys

Aizen, rogue shinigami
Ginjo, Rogue Fullbringer/Substitute shinigami

and now the King who's what just a rogue Quincy?, im saying this because if it turns out he is also a quincy than why is he so far strayed from regular Quincy beliefs? , it seems pretty clear he's not following their laws either at this point

[devstauk]

which is exactly why im saying its obviously revenge but if its revenge for the war than why they kilin each other? there's clearly alot more than just revenge going on i mean if it was simply that he wouldnt have to kill his subbordinates left and right they're clearly on Nazi level zeal when it comes to their hate of shinigami so no further persuasion seems necessary, but if this King is just another rogue it'll kinda be lame and exactly the same as the other bad guys

Aizen, rogue shinigami
Ginjo, Rogue Fullbringer/Substitute shinigami

and now the King who's what just a rogue Quincy?, im saying this because if it turns out he is also a quincy than why is he so far strayed from regular Quincy beliefs? , it seems pretty clear he's not following their laws either at this point

Only thing i can think of is that he is actually the king of quincys and some ran ie the Ishdia's

Or like has been said soooooo many times he's neither quincy or any other 'Type' of character.

[OtakuModeEngage]

which is exactly why im saying its obviously revenge but if its revenge for the war than why they kilin each other? there's clearly alot more than just revenge going on i mean if it was simply that he wouldnt have to kill his subbordinates left and right they're clearly on Nazi level zeal when it comes to their hate of shinigami so no further persuasion seems necessary, but if this King is just another rogue it'll kinda be lame and exactly the same as the other bad guys

Aizen, rogue shinigami
Ginjo, Rogue Fullbringer/Substitute shinigami

and now the King who's what just a rogue Quincy?, im saying this because if it turns out he is also a quincy than why is he so far strayed from regular Quincy beliefs? , it seems pretty clear he's not following their laws either at this point

You're using the Natzi reference wrong: the Nazi's hated the Jews, but didn't go to war with Jews, they went to war with the rest of Europe and the US who stepped in to help. The hollows would represent the Jews, because they are despised by the Quincy; and the soul reapers would represent the allied alliance, because just like the Nazi's hated the allies for defeating them in world war 1 and sending their nation spiraling into depression, the VanderReich hate the Soul Reapers for defeating them in the first war.

[SaitoSpike]

You're using the Natzi reference wrong: the Nazi's hated the Jews, but didn't go to war with Jews, they went to war with the rest of Europe and the US who stepped in to help. The hollows would represent the Jews, because they are despised by the Quincy; and the soul reapers would represent the allied alliance, because just like the Nazi's hated the allies for defeating them in world war 1 and sending their nation spiraling into depression, the VanderReich hate the Soul Reapers for defeating them in the first war.

what are u even saying? im starting to think u jus argue for the sake of argument...no offense, all i said was they have Nazi like zeal....how could that even be wrong???did the nazi not have the 'we are better than everyone else thing goin for em?, how do u not understand i'm jus saying they have enough GROUP WILL, a common thing they have together....everything else is jus detail, but thank u for the unecessary history lesson...smh

its not that big a deal nor was it the point, i could have said they have Templar like Zeal, it doesnt mean im saying they're trying to invade the middle east...the key word is ZEAL not nazi

by the way since u love 'Ishida' type details, the word is NAZI not NATZI lol

[Bromamura]

Personally I hope Urahara intervenes against Himmler there. Ichigo's face and fighting style is just incredibly dull to look at.

[OtakuModeEngage]

what are u even saying? im starting to think u jus argue for the sake of argument...no offense, all i said was they have Nazi like zeal....how could that even be wrong???did the nazi not have the 'we are better than everyone else thing goin for em?, how do u not understand i'm jus saying they have enough GROUP WILL, a common thing they have together....everything else is jus detail, but thank u for the unecessary history lesson...smh

its not that big a deal nor was it the point, i could have said they have Templar like Zeal, it doesnt mean im saying they're trying to invade the middle east...the key word is ZEAL not nazi

by the way since u love 'Ishida' type details, the word is NAZI not NATZI lol

Indeed, it is most definitely for the sake of arguing... suffice to say I didn't really read your post, just skimmed over it, and fired a counter attack a swarm of ducks... oops, XD

[SaitoSpike]

good news, Magastream's gonna host Jump titles again, with a few stipulations, including

- they will only post 4 hours after someone else does
- scans will only be up for 60 hours...

well the waiting till someone else posts is kinda shitty but Mangareader has the best translations so it might be worth it....and when it comes to bleach, translation is key....lets consider the whole stealing/sealing bankais debate lol

i'd like to thank the Country of Bulgaria!

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also jus wanted to say for ppl who need that void in their hearts filled, the one the Bleach anime used to occupy i'd suggest Sakamichi no Apollon (directed by Shinichirō Watanabe + soundtrack by Yoko Kanno = can't go wrong) i'm a skeptic by nature and i gotta say just off the first episode its gonna be an amazing anime - note: this anime is absolutely nothing like bleach lol, jus to clarify, the manga's nice but its not the same without the soundtrack imo (sorry admins dont kill me for this post, i'm jus getting my otaku on and hopefully helping fellow fans)

back to Bleach!

[Mugetsu]

For ppl like mattaildivino who thinks that allon will defeat Kirge, i say dream on. Hallibabes have been defeated. Ichigo up next.

[devstauk]

For ppl like mattaildivino who thinks that allon will defeat Kirge, i say dream on. Hallibabes have been defeated. Ichigo up next.

Not sure about the ichigo bit up next but yes Kirge is a powerhouse for VdR in my Opinion and probably would have tossed Allon away like a toy.

[Kay3795]

I really can't make sense of this post. Are you saying Ichigo would be defeated by Kirge based on how Hallibabes(lol) were defeated?

[haarisa]

We really can't say if Ichigo will really fight or not right now. We know Ichigo to have a total huge amount of Reitsu. For all we know, Chad and Inuoe might try to stop him to show their level of improvement but get defeated, and THEN we get to see Ichigo fight, only to have Urahara to observe something and/or stop him and step in. Just a question: Where did everyone get this idea that they seal bankais? Is there a translation to support this? If so, please point me in the right direction.
[EDIT]

NM... just read it. Ivan shows that ability to end Bankai, but it fails.

[SaitoSpike]

even if Ichigo fights right now i think this fight'll be interrupted, until he fights the king himself (if he does, cuz i still feel like the only way to redeem Quincies is if he's defeated BY a quincy, either Uryu or Ryuken fit the bill...assuming the king is indeed a quincy of course)

anyways i think the fight would be interupted because Ichigo needs to build some sort of personal thing with ppl he fights first, Renji, Byakuya, Groimmjow, Ulquiorra and obviously Aizen (i guess Kenpachi is a random fight exception) which i guess is why i was surprised that guy who first tried to take out his bankai was taken out so quickly, that woulda been a good candidate for Ichigo

it feels like Kirge has to be defeated by an arrancar, its only right no?