Claymore 126 Discussion

[God Eye Galatea]

I think you win here That I thought Elena said that to Clare but in the second panel (I suppose it is called like this?) it was Clare but it makes more sense now. But thinking of it what happened to her??

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Well I find the idea of Teresa's and Irena's meeting tempting but still I like to see how Galatea has lost her eyes (What AB made her lose them?) and Roxanne's first death but I agree with God Eye Galatea because the other N.1s will add more to the story in terms of powers and abilities and make us understand the real powers of N.1s.

It's not about winning or losing lol It just clearing misunderstanding :3 That girl may have gotten a retest and die, or became a warrior ranked 46 or other low number and died during a yoma hunt. She would've been killed if not for Clare. All these are just guess tho.


Galatea blinded herself so she can hide her silver eyes and live in Rabona, her blindness was not caused by a fight with any AB lol
I want to see how Roxanne first died too, maybe by the other of the elite 8 No.1 (2 birds with one stone!) or Luciella and Raphaela.

Although it would be interesting to see how Teresa and Irene met as I missed them, but I'm afraid that it would be just Teresa owning Irene like how they were when Irene fought with Teresa at the motel. Remember how Teresa was like Oh you gotten better, but still not good enough. So they had crossed swords before.

[Claymore1]

Although it would be interesting to see how Teresa and Irene met as I missed them, but I'm afraid that it would be just Teresa owning Irene like how they were when Irene fought with Teresa at the motel. Remember how Teresa was like Oh you gotten better, but still not good enough. So they had crossed swords before.

I don't know, that sounds very interesting to me. Irene seems much older and it would be cool if she got beat by a young Teresa.

But I would also like another Extra chapter about Isley. The last one was great and I really enjoyed it. It made me want more. Not one with priscilla and Isley, but with Isley and Rigaldo or Rigaldo fighting Isley. One that takes place a long time ago.

I wouldn't even mind one about Riful either. Maybe one that shows how she awakened and re-met Dauf.

[haegar]

I cannot quite remember the scene from the Rabona/Agatha chap where Galatea tells Miria about her eyes, as I remember it she might actually have implied that it WAS an injury she recieved in a fight and then choose NOT to heal. But that's arguing semantics, the bottom line is she indeed remained blind willingly. And surely she did it to better hide from the ORG's trackers and the MIBs but I always figured there was also a psychological aspect to it that nicely adds to her character:
The motif of blinding yourself or gauging your own eyes out is a recurrent one in literature, beginning with things as old as Sophocles' Oedipus Rex, where Oedipus blinds himself after learning that he unknowingly killed his own father and commited incest with his mother. It is often assosciated with a feeling of guilt and self-punishment in light of fully realizing the extent of ones own failures and/or sins which I feel makes a lot of sense with Galatea:

Not that she commited any particular atrocities she should feel guilty about but one might say her sin is that of not acting despite better knowledge: Due to her rank and her particular skillset she was one of the few warriors who were in the priviledged position of gaining a deeper insight into the inner workings of the ORG and the goals, attitudes, and methods of the MIBs. Miria had to do quite some digging to doublecheck on the info Rubel leaked to her, Galatea, being both highrank single-digit AND the Eye could have gotten half of that much easier, without somebody like Rubel nudging her in the right direction in the first place - all she needed to do was look at things 'with open eyes'. However she choose not to, or at the very least for a long time might have pretended to be "blind" to the truth.
Sure, she did her little deeds of good will like letting Clare and Jean go, but she did not act in earnest with regard to Pieta i.e. Later,she chose a life of hiding rather than opposing the ORG. She might be doing something good for the kids in Rabona, but in essence it is rather the kids giving solace to HER than vice versa...

In that conversation with Miria (M: if this were a normal warrior team, you would be the leader - G:No I am not like you, you do it) you have a feeling that she has changed quite a bit from her earlier high and migthy attitude and is actually suffering from quite a bit of self-remorse and -loathing, depression even. It was done with a bit of pathos there, but I do believe her when she stated that she planned on drawing in some Claymores to assist against Agatha to help the city, and then, once that was done die either mid-fight or by the ORG's hands. Cause she kinda had given up on herself I guess. I always saw the blinding herself in that way, too...

edit: btw it was nicely done by Yagi how you could feel how she found back to her old snidy cynic self through fighting again after all that time, that panel with her smiling wildly how things never go as planed was so awesome, there goes her arm tumbling down the roof and Agatha is all "haha now you're going down for good" and all she does is smile and say "hey so what, shit happens, now, come at me, bitch" (slightly paraphrasing here )

edit2: *SIGH* I just love her. I refuse to believe this mess will end without more goddess gala !!!

[Shiek927]

You don't need to add a spoiler tag Haeger...

and Seska...Yogi bear doesn't make this manga (I can't believe how many times you mispelled his name XD)

Revan must love the stuff going on - it sounds like stuff straight from his New Era story; I wouldn't like a time-skip at all, since their is too many stuff we don't know from what happened in the first one, but I guess we'll see.

[Claymore1]

The motif of blinding yourself or gauging your own eyes out is a recurrent one in literature, beginning with things as old as Sophocles' Oedipus Rex, where Oedipus blinds himself after learning that he unknowingly killed his own father and commited incest with his mother. It is often assosciated with a feeling of guilt and self-punishment in light of fully realizing the extent of ones own failures and/or sins which I feel makes a lot of sense with Galatea:

Messed up story. I have read that one, and it is strange. Killed his father and had sex with his mother. And had kids.

But Galatea needed to cover up her silver eyes so that she could appear as an innocent nun. The only other way to tell if she was a claymore was the scar on her chest. But who would ever see that? It's not like nuns have sex. So no one would see her body. She also had super strength but she could probably hide that fairly well.

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@God Eye Galatea, I love your new avatar

[fraktur]

Or, show what Galatea, Clarice, and Miata have been doing.
Those are the three subjects that I think would be fun extra chapters.

drinking tea and trying to bath miata obviously. i want to see this

And i think, if Yogi will make a Time skip. then where is it not better, if some "children" of the Kindergarten will "introduce" the new time? (With that Yogi can bring new Fresh Faces into the New Era. And "Real" Claymores dont Age.. Voila we have a Solution.

oh god, please not. we already have too many characters anyway. instead of adding some more, yagi should finally do something with the ones he already has (tabitha, audrey, rachel, anastasia, nina, clarice, miata etc.). most of them feel like they were just introduced to get people to a certain point (clarice, miata), that some fights can be won in one of the most retarded ways ever (anastasia) or don't have any use at all (tabitha).

[haegar]

drinking tea and trying to bath miata obviously. i want to see this

trying to relax and drink tea but not getting to it at all as Miata turns the tea-salon into a bathhouse sounds more like it and I'm looking forward to watching it, too

as for "too many characters" - generally, I agree, it would be nice if he builds on those that are still around and underdeveloped though I see one exeption to that and that would be if indeed in whatever follows things get relocated to the mainland:

In that case I would like to have a couple of extras that deal with the aftermath of the battle for the ORG and also with the blob, however not fully resolving the clare/prissy dilemma yet.

Then, CUT to the mainland with the beginning of the "new story", and to totally new characters (not too many of them though). Things would beging with the mainland ORG, the DODs and the normal people of the mainland about which we know nothing. This wouldn't have to go on long, just for one short arc maybe that begins to lay down the groundwork for that new setting, Then, enter the usual suspects barging in onto the mainland and getting to work in that new environment...

[Shiek927]

I'm 110% with you Fraktur....fanfiction and speculation is nice and all, but sooner or later, Yagi himself needs to actually develop the characters and not (maybe not deliberately) ride on the ambiguity and imagination of the readers to fill in the blanks.

And while I'm not entirely on the belief that every single character must have an explicit purpose for them to exist (and when they complete that purpose, they usually die shortly afterward), I'm also not obviously fond of having a bunch of underdeveloped or one-shot characters that don't contribute anything.

No...I think people are overthinking this - I know their isn't much concrete evidence yet, and obviously nobody can predict the future....but a time-skip? going to the island?

Even a name-change I feel is unlikely...yes, I'm probably just being bias, but I think this isn't as big as people are making it out to be -- Yagi could even be gauging people's reaction to see if he should, say, change the title.

[haegar]

mh dunno, we still don't have that comment of him properly translated, but if google is only partially right there was talk of "various reasons" for whatever is happening. If that is so I doubt it is just a "test" ... By all means, he did enough testing his readers already with locking away Clare for so long a time.

Though I freely admit my currently prefered version is highly unlikely, I am just all hyped up by finally seeing the DODs.. It's as momentous to me as Clare and Prissy finally meeting in a way since it brings back that huuuge background-story aspect about which we never were told squat for years. Since he now in this last chapter brings it up again I do hope it was for more than just showing how the "source" got destroyed so that the Island ORG truly is done for ... I do hope it was shown because in what follows this will feature. And when it comes to DODs invading the island vs ghosts going to the mainland I say mainland

[FrostyMouse]

I do agree with that, Shieky. I don't like that we just had a bunch of pointless characters added on near the end for no real reason. We could've done without all of that Anastasia crap and just been better off. Even if they did do something, such as that ridiculous sky battle (something Claymore has never been about), she should've died.

[kstefan88]

Well, having many characters is not that much of a problem in itself, becaus Yagi may chose whoever he wants to introduce and develop properly and who he has just as "someone who's there". And if the story actually goes to the mainland (I really hope so) I am very sure that he will take about 10 characters over there.

However, when it comes to story writing, I would say that staying und the current continent is the better choice. We still have Cassandra who roams around the place, most likely attaxin the people and a blob. I'm more positive that we will have another arc on that continent (or at least a few chapters) solving some if not all the unanswered questions. But however, I am always hoping for too much.

However, as long as he finally (!) gets rid of Priscilla, nearly everything is fine with me.

[Shiek927]

That's exactly right FrostyMouse - would you believe that Anastasia still hasn't grown on me after all this time?

Some characters, like Tabitha, grow on me if only because we've known them for so long, even if they don't have much backstory to them (imagination fills that in)....other characters, like Luciella, may have, in the story, important presence yet we only see them shortly...but they make such a bang that we're still interested in filling them out and trying to grow them even if they are gone; tragically, Roxanne and Hysteria the latest to fill that list.

It goes without saying that the best characters have both time and development on their side....because, again, while fanfiction and imagination is fun....Yagi, at some point, has to actually go in and truly develop the characters, ambiguity be damned.

Because, largely, I can happily say that Claymore has had a relative lack of filler characters....characters that were 'just there' and we only saw once, and/or were begging to be developed. You could say that's subjective, but the point is....I feel I can safely say that we, in the grand scale of things, haven't gotten many characters that we saw only once and that was it.

Claymore should continue on this road, it needs too -- I remember, and still do, keep getting annoyed when artists started drawing the recently introduced characters like Anastasia or the ZAOs...because somehow, they were getting more attention then some characters who've been around for ages, still don't have much appreciation or development; that should be a sign that Yagi needs to work on them first.

Sometimes I wonder if Claymore is gonna deviate so much that the warriors are all gonna go the continent and fight the evil Dragon King and save the universe...and we're still not gonna know a darn thing about Tabitha.

Fanfiction and imagination/speculation is fun and all, but it's gonna be a sad sad day when Claymore is over, and I realize it's joined the list of other series where, fans had much better ideas and development then the author themselves came up with -- it's something I'm all too familiar with. For some of those series, it was simply because the author had worse ideas....for Yagi, I wonder if it's simply going to be negligence.

[lordoffantasy]

Okay, we are getting majorly off track here. WE need do damn confirmation on the ending, sequel, or simple continuation of the manga series here. let us piece together what we know and find sources of information.

[Linfone]

Isn't the organization unofficially named "Claymore"? Maybe they meant the organization ended.

[Claymore1]

Isn't the organization unofficially named "Claymore"? Maybe they meant the organization ended.

No.



The Organization has only ever been called "The Organization"

Claymores usually don't like being called Claymores either. They were just given the name because of the huge claymores that they carry on their backs.