Claymore 126 Discussion

[gnut]

i think we would never know how long a claymore could live(unless we find out the ages of rafaela,galatea and such)...because the org showed time and time again that they go out of their way to make sure warriors lives are maxed out in a scheduled time limit(hence the commit towards galatea...how long she lived and what a threat the older ones become).so pieta was not all necessity...look at all the previous strong warrioirs(anatasia,renee,etc).

[Blazeoptimus]

I tend to agree with you super and gnut, the term generation seems to be variable and not necessarily indicative of time. It could just meen she's was a certain version of there weapon. It also mentions in the same sentence that she's the 182nd warrior. If you take out the male warriors, that leaves 135 females that preceded her. Considering how frequently they appeared to die/awaken, it wouldn't take horribly long to go through that number.

[Shiek927]

Malak, read my words carefully....I even said that we don't even know that Dragons live for 200 years, per se, because maybe that's just an average lifespan and not necessarily a cap.

Point is, their's still a whole lot we don't know and people can still hold different viewpoints...the only thing really definitive about any of this age-talk is just that - that Dragons live to be 200...how we interpret that, is another thing entirely in itself.

So all things considered, this chapter didn't actually reveal a whole lot (on this topic) 0_o

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could be cronos(the guy that dauf,rigaldo and isley were about to talk about),and this may be the very event they were going to talk about(because he was obviously worthy of their attention)

*blink blink...

That's......possible.

Hmm....good thinking Gnut - we don't know that for sure, not to mention, if it is Cronos, then it looks like he's busy at that moment and could have been killed...we don't know - that's the first time I've heard this idea though, good thinking

Cronos obviously must be named after Chronos....the massive Greek Titan who was Zeus' father....If that's the case, then it figures that Manga-Cronos would be big, even if he wasn't an Abyssal (which he obviously can't be if that really is Cronos, since he was supposed to be No.4).

[gnut]

I tend to agree with you super and gnut, the term generation seems to be variable and not necessarily indicative of time. It could just meen she's was a certain version of there weapon. It also mentions in the same sentence that she's the 182nd warrior. If you take out the male warriors, that leaves 135 females that preceded her. Considering how frequently they appeared to die/awaken, it wouldn't take horribly long to go through that number.

especially ,if you are recruiting(yeah right lol)in alot of different age brackets...generations could just be graduation classes(hence riful and how young she was or even priscella)

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Malak, read my words carefully....I even said that we don't even know that Dragons live for 200 years, per se, because maybe that's just an average lifespan and not necessarily a cap.

Point is, their's still a whole lot we don't know and people can still hold different viewpoints...the only thing really definitive about any of this age-talk is just that - that Dragons live to be 200...how we interpret that, is another thing entirely in itself.

So all things considered, this chapter didn't actually reveal a whole lot (on this topic) 0_o

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*blink blink...

That's......possible.

Hmm....good thinking Gnut - we don't know that for sure, not to mention, if it is Cronos, then it looks like he's busy at that moment and could have been killed...we don't know - that's the first time I've heard this idea though, good thinking

Cronos obviously must be named after Chronos....the massive Greek Titan who was Zeus' father....If that's the case, then it figures that Manga-Cronos would be big, even if he wasn't an Abyssal (which he obviously can't be if that really is Cronos, since he was supposed to be No.4).

maybe isley being the first number1 to awaken was also a crok of s#$t.

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just want to add that cronos had to be some kind of badass...because i see dauf and isley talking about a lesser warrior but rigaldo(we are talking about a walking ball of pride).rigaldo yielded for a second to hear only to be interrupted by riful...so if those few pages ring true,cronos must have done/was doing something significate a the time.

[MalakTawus]

Shiek,maybe i wasn't clear,i read with attention your post.
In the beginning you were saying that there could be a lot of possibilities and infact i was completely agreeing with you,until you said:

Their's going to be alot of different opinions, but I feel, to be fair, we can take it as a given at this point that none of the beings on the island, whether the weakest Yoma, or Priscilla herself, can live longer then the DoD's can because they are the very root

....and this imo seems to be a bit in contrast with what you said before,so basically the point of my post was to underline that "no,we CAN'T take even that as a given".

The expression "taking something as a given" means that even if some parts may not be clear,at least that specific part is almost sure...........and what i'm saying instead is that in our case,not even that part is safe at all.

[Shiek927]

Well, I was trying to say something definitive with my post...and as I said, I did think I was being fair, since I think that point is something we can all agree with...but I guess you can disagree with that if you feel that way *shrug.

[Friday]

i think we would never know how long a claymore could live(unless we find out the ages of rafaela,galatea and such)...because the org showed time and time again that they go out of their way to make sure warriors lives are maxed out in a scheduled time limit(hence the commit towards galatea...how long she lived and what a threat the older ones become).so pieta was not all necessity...look at all the previous strong warrioirs(anatasia,renee,etc).

don't forget Irene/Illena, she lived in secluded isolation after the battle of Teresa/Priscilla fight....

[gnut]

don't forget Irene/Illena, she lived in secluded isolation after the battle of Teresa/Priscilla fight....

you're right friday...but they are also examples of how the org throws away good warriors because of their fear of rebellion(and good reason to fear...previous events explaining all)

[littleangel]

Still to this minute I wonder if there were any warriors to survive in desert from the other generations like from the very first ones. And about the generations I believe for every N.1 there is a generation like Isley's the first and Riful's the second and so on till we reach the 78th which is Alicia's generation because even when the entire generation was changed (except for Alicia and Beth) Galatea didn't consider them as generation N.79 but said original and current warriors so thinking about .. Original of what the 78th generation? Or ...?

[Friday]

Still to this minute I wonder if there were any warriors to survive in desert from the other generations like from the very first ones.

do you mean other warriors from previous generations trying to do what the "Ghost's" have done by desserting from the Organisation?
if yes....they wouldn't lived long

Galatea didn't consider them as generation N.79 but said original and current warriors so thinking about .. Original of what the 78th generation? Or ...?

please elaborate more on this question

[littleangel]

do you mean other warriors from previous generations trying to do what the "Ghost's" have done by desserting from the Organisation?
if yes....they wouldn't lived long

No, what I meant was: was there any warriors like Irena simply deserted the Org. and kept living in a completely isolated place (a cave or a mountain or a place like Irena's) and survived till this day which I find very possible because all they need is to completely mask their Yoki and isolate themselves from any contact with humanity simply living alone. A single digit is capable of doing this all it takes a good cover and the chance to train on hiding her yoki and then it will go well unless she lost her mind and awakened which would be possible but still wouldn't there be a chance for this to happen and thinking about it if they wanted to survive they must've erased the idea of attacking the Org. from their minds or they would've been killed which is the point I'm trying to refer to.

please elaborate more on this question

What I meant is that Galatea never addressed the new warriors as the new generation simply called them the current ones not the new ones meaning that the 78th generation hasn't ended which could mean that the generation of Claymores depend on something other than time or warriors make over, it depends on N.1s! Just like I mentioned before we don't say Irena's generation we say Rosemary's and Teresa's generation which are very different generations not because of N.2-N.47 but because of N.1 (BTW there is no proof that Irena was in Rosemary's generation but the possibilities are high) and this applies to the rest of the generations like Hysteria's or Riful's or even Alicia's we don't say any other number's generation simply addressing it to the strongest the N.1. We got accostomed to call it Clare's and Clarise's but actually it is still Alicia's generation. Other than that I don't know if there is good and logical explanation to Galatea's words in regard to generations and stuff.

[Blazeoptimus]

The way it's translated into English makes it sound like an iteration or versioning system, not a measure of time. Multiple generations can and do overlap. Also, from the special chapters it's apparent that the bulk of any given generation never become full fledged warriors, but instead die in the brutal training exercises.

As to whether there are warriors hiding from the organization from past generations, I'd say it's certainly feasible with in constructs of the claymore universe. I imagine whether we see one or not would boil down to plot convenience though. There'd have to be a decent reason to introduce such a character. Galatea would possibly be the best suited to find such a warrior. Not that we'll see it, but I'd love to see a male warrior that has somehow managed to suppress his yoki and survived.

[Shiek927]

I have to agree with Blazeoptimus....their has to be a definitive reason and not just Yagi going "whatever", but as shallow as it may sound, Yagi could introduce characters from the past simply the plot demands it....which isn't bad per se; as long as it's not abused, and they are actually developed and meaningful, I don't see the issue.

[littleangel]

The way it's translated into English makes it sound like an iteration or versioning system, not a measure of time. Multiple generations can and do overlap. Also, from the special chapters it's apparent that the bulk of any given generation never become full fledged warriors, but instead die in the brutal training exercises.

Indeed we have seen Riful with Isley but yet this doesn't mean when Riful became N.1 that wasn't the 2nd generation and that is my point the minute a new N.1 arrives it is a new generation even though N.2 through 47 haven't changed because it is all about N.1 not the other warriors and so do you consider Hysteria's generation the same as Rosemary's and the same as Teresa's although many warriors who became N.1s were in it?? does that mean Hysteria's generation was 77 and so was Rosemary's and Teresa's? But that doesn't make sense! Each N.1 has her own generation no matter how long/short it was what matters is her number. Teresa's generation must've lasted a long time compared to Rosemary's but yet it could be shorter than Alicia's generation so this means it doesn't matter how long is the generation but it depends on the N.1 of that generation.

As to whether there are warriors hiding from the organization from past generations, I'd say it's certainly feasible with in constructs of the claymore universe. I imagine whether we see one or not would boil down to plot convenience though. There'd have to be a decent reason to introduce such a character. Galatea would possibly be the best suited to find such a warrior. Not that we'll see it, but I'd love to see a male warrior that has somehow managed to suppress his yoki and survived.

I agree with you and Shiek in this point but still I like to see at least one warrior to having survived all this time hiding and meet with the new warriors and join them. A male warrior to survive this long has the lowest possibilities ever because they are not that stable to begin with unless he grew to control his powers in a way that he wont lose his mind.
But for the idea of Galatea finding any, it wont work, because they must've learned how to mask their Yoki and this is one of the things that Galatea failed to sense like when the ghosts appeared in Robona.

[Blazeoptimus]

[QUOTE=littleangel
But for the idea of Galatea finding any, it wont work, because they must've learned how to mask their Yoki and this is one of the things that Galatea failed to sense like when the ghosts appeared in Robona.[/QUOTE]

In my mind she had the best chance because she was able to detect a warrior using yoki supresent medicine from a good distance. For such a small yoki aura I'd imagine she'd have to be close, and I agree that it would still have a good possibility of failure. At this point though, if anyone could find such a warrior, it would be Galatea. If she couldn't find such a person, no one could.

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My thoughts on the Generation are that it probably refers to a group of trainees who were all hybridized at the same time, or that we're hybridized using the same iteration of the process (perhaps they've refined the process over time to better the chances of producing superior warriors). It's just speculation, but I believe it's possible for 2 number 1s to be from the same generation.