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    Arrow Techniques Discussion

    http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/5523/...ch_061.006.jpg

    Why aer they levitating? I dont remember this being part of the abilities Synchro provides.

    ---------- Post added at 09:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 AM ----------

    http://mangafox.me/manga/new_prince_...07/c062/1.html

    Was this technique a Serve also? Or a Smash? I cant tell, especially the stance in which Hakamada hits it.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Vanish is a ground smash. About the Mutsu's, I don't know, it's just normal synchro, maybe they use a more powerful version of synchro but it's like the normal one.
    Last edited by LetalHawk; April 09, 2012 at 12:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Vanish is a ground smash. About the Mutsu's, I don't know, it's just normal synchro, maybe they use a more powerful version of synchro but it's like the normal one.
    Does he NEED to have one knee on the ground when performing it lol?

    Why does Konomi clash against his own work?

    He says Nakagauchi is faster here:

    http://www.mangareader.net/343-53158...hapter-30.html

    But then he states otherwise here:

    http://www.mangareader.net/343-55183...hapter-31.html

    Nakagauchi is 2.5 while Krauser is 3.

    Reason to believe Fuji significantly increased his Strength stat after his loss to Shiraishi?

    http://www.mangareader.net/422-27261...apter-364.html

    Or was it that Niou is significantly weaker than Shiraishi? As Higuma Otoshi was no good against the real Shiraishi.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    I think Konomi was trying to exaggerate Nakagauchi's strength but then forgot about it and made his speed stat lower lol. I reckon that Niou's power level is 3.5, the same as Shiraishi with the gold on. So Fuji's strength increased probably, or he improved the technique of Higuma Otoshi.

    Here is something a little off track.
    Which is faster: Fuu or Gyro Laser?
    If Fuu is slower, is it faster than regular Laser Beam?
    "Sorry, but I never lose to the same opponent twice." - Fuji

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Why does Konomi clash against his own work?

    He says Nakagauchi is faster here:

    http://www.mangareader.net/343-53158...hapter-30.html

    But then he states otherwise here:

    http://www.mangareader.net/343-55183...hapter-31.html

    Nakagauchi is 2.5 while Krauser is 3.
    How does that clash? While you have two contradicting statements, they are made by different sources. Nakagauchi is completly dominating Krauser there, so one of the players in the camp says that Nakagauchi is better in all areas. He doesn't actually move a lot himself, so of course they couldn't make a proper judgement there. On the other hand, the stat sheet is from the coaches perspective who have much more data on both players (and as such it's probably the more accurate source).

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Reason to believe Fuji significantly increased his Strength stat after his loss to Shiraishi?

    http://www.mangareader.net/422-27261...apter-364.html

    Or was it that Niou is significantly weaker than Shiraishi? As Higuma Otoshi was no good against the real Shiraishi.
    There were only four days between the two matches, and Fuji didn't have access to any high tech training equipment there, so chances are Niou simply had less power than Shiraishi back then.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    How does that clash? While you have two contradicting statements, they are made by different sources. Nakagauchi is completly dominating Krauser there, so one of the players in the camp says that Nakagauchi is better in all areas. He doesn't actually move a lot himself, so of course they couldn't make a proper judgement there. On the other hand, the stat sheet is from the coaches perspective who have much more data on both players (and as such it's probably the more accurate source).
    Konomi writes the manga. Give a reason why he would have the players who make the audience who since the first arc in Part I are the ones who explain the situation of the match, the abilities and techniques shout out simply inaccurate info?
    Its not like Konomi has ever done that before. Yet he goes and says otherwise a few pages later.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Konomi writes the manga. Give a reason why he would have the players who make the audience who since the first arc in Part I are the ones who explain the situation of the match, the abilities and techniques shout out simply inaccurate info?
    Its not like Konomi has ever done that before. Yet he goes and says otherwise a few pages later.
    Remember all those rumors Kintarou twisted to get his weird perception of Echizen with three eyes and whatnot? Or Chitose saying that Tezuka was probably the closest to TnK after their match even though he arguably was one of the people farthest away at that point? Or all of the Rikkai regulars being on Tezuka's level when they're clearly not? How about Yukimura saying that Tezuka cannot be surpassed even though Sanada did just that a few chapters earlier? Fuji says he had trouble against Echizen during their practice match and that he might have lost if Echizen wasn't tired, then we get the flashback later on that reveals he wasn't anywhere near serious.
    Those are just a few things from the top of my head, I'm sure there's more situations where the statement changes depending on what character makes it.

    Basically, you have to differentiate between a character saying something from their point of view and Konomi saying something through a character. I freely admit that that's not always easy, but that doesn't mean he's never done it before.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Remember all those rumors Kintarou twisted to get his weird perception of Echizen with three eyes and whatnot?
    Except this is where the players are watching a match live making it COMPLETELY different to rumours...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Or Chitose saying that Tezuka was probably the closest to TnK after their match even though he arguably was one of the people farthest away at that point?
    He was the one playing the match, not watching it live in the audience up front. Konomi could have been writing from the characters viewpoint after a match, but in this example with Nakagauchi VS Krauser, Konomi had a character comment and analyse the situation completely incorrectly which is something he has never done before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Or all of the Rikkai regulars being on Tezuka's level when they're clearly not?
    I cant argue with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    How about Yukimura saying that Tezuka cannot be surpassed even though Sanada did just that a few chapters earlier?
    Sanada did against an injured Tezuka. Niou was being an uninjured Tezuka. So things are different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Fuji says he had trouble against Echizen during their practice match and that he might have lost if Echizen wasn't tired, then we get the flashback later on that reveals he wasn't anywhere near serious.
    This proves nothing. Fuji could have been saying he would have lost as he knew he wouldnt get serious in the match as he didnt get serious til Kirihara.

    Those are just a few things from the top of my head, I'm sure there's more situations where the statement changes depending on what character makes it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Basically, you have to differentiate between a character saying something from their point of view and Konomi saying something through a character. I freely admit that that's not always easy, but that doesn't mean he's never done it before.
    Just the fact that we dont know who said it and it was a passing comment through the match, kinda hints that it Konomi saying it through his characters.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Except this is where the players are watching a match live making it COMPLETELY different to rumours...
    Except it doesn't really. Both are statements based on incomplete information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    He was the one playing the match, not watching it live in the audience up front. Konomi could have been writing from the characters viewpoint after a match, but in this example with Nakagauchi VS Krauser, Konomi had a character comment and analyse the situation completely incorrectly which is something he has never done before.
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    Some random person about Mizuki before he gets crushed by both Fuji and Atobe.

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    During the National Finals D2; I hope you will agree that he was nowhere near the top.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Sanada did against an injured Tezuka. Niou was being an uninjured Tezuka. So things are different.
    Tezuka wasn't injured at the beginning of the match. If Niou had used Phantom more, or had used ZSS, it would have been the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    This proves nothing. Fuji could have been saying he would have lost as he knew he wouldnt get serious in the match as he didnt get serious til Kirihara.
    Yet Tezuka makes a different observation. Who is right doesn't really matter here, the point is that those are two contradicting statements where two characters have a different view on the same situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Just the fact that we dont know who said it and it was a passing comment through the match, kinda hints that it Konomi saying it through his characters.
    Not at all. We don't know who said it, that's true, but I would interpret that as an observation from a generic person watching the match, in other words they are making that statement based on what they see in front of them.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Fair enough I'll take it back.

    ---------- Post added April 27, 2012 at 03:16 PM ---------- Previous post was April 13, 2012 at 07:42 AM ----------

    Can Bane use Acrobatic Play?

    http://www.mangareader.net/343-47019...hapter-23.html

    He says ''til we try'' at the bottom left.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Can Bane use Acrobatic Play?

    http://www.mangareader.net/343-47019...hapter-23.html

    He says ''til we try'' at the bottom left.
    He wasn't able to before the hidden camp, it's not listed in either the databooks or PP 2 where volleyers are covered, but it's quite possible that that was his upgrade or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    He wasn't able to before the hidden camp, it's not listed in either the databooks or PP 2 where volleyers are covered, but it's quite possible that that was his upgrade or something.
    Completely had me baffled this line.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Then Bane can use acrobatics? That's all he got?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Then Bane can use acrobatics? That's all he got?
    All he got? That would be freakin amazing. Remember he wasnt weak like Mukahi or Kikumaru, the guy had power. IF he did get Acrobatic play although its likely he didnt, it would make Kurobane Harukaze awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    All he got? That would be freakin amazing. Remember he wasnt weak like Mukahi or Kikumaru, the guy had power. IF he did get Acrobatic play although its likely he didnt, it would make Kurobane Harukaze awesome.
    Acrobatic and his power won't make him better than players like Sengoku, Tanishi or Hirakoba.

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