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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha View Post
    Do you believe that bullshit in the Databook ?
    Might as well believe that Sandaime is the strongest Hokage since it was mentioned in the databook too...

    lol what ?
    Do you know what the Blaze release is ? (aka Enton)
    It is the ability to manipulate and shape the black flames of Amaterasu... There's no such a thing as Enton Amaterasu and Real Amaterasu...
    The databook entries are mostly just hyperboles but it doesn't change that fact that Amaterasu is insanely hot. If Gaara gets blasted by Amaterasu in his sand ball, the heat will cook him even if it doesn't completely consume the sand. I think xXan is simply trying to differentiate the difference between Amaterasu and the Enton. What Gaara was able to block was a simple Enton, which is a manipulation of existing black flames. Amaterasu is much deadlier in the fact that the flames are created directly on its target and is created at a very fast rate. Gaara and his sand does not have to speed to block the attack after it is used. He has to use his sand ball to protect himself, in which case he's just get baked in an Amaterasu oven.
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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    The databook entries are mostly just hyberboles but it doesn't change that fact that Amaterasu is insanely hot. If Gaara gets blasted by Amaterasu in his sand ball, the heat will cook him even if it doesn't completely consume the sand. I think xXan is simply trying to differentiate the difference between Amaterasu and the Enton. What Gaara was able to block was a simple Enton, which is a manipulation of existing black flames. Amaterasu is much deadlier in the fact that the flames are created directly on its target and is created at a very fast rate. Gaara and his sand does not have to speed to block the attack after it is used. He has to use his sand ball to protect himself, in which case he's just get baked in an Amaterasu oven.
    We've seen people getting hit by it, in no way it is that HOT (Karin, Killerbee... If it was that hot, they wouldn't be alive right now).
    Hot enough to bake him... I lol'ed so much at this.

    I'm sorry, the only thing that was said about Amaterasu is that it can burn anything, nothing about its temperature was said, and using that hyperbole in the Databook is plain wrong... Amaterasu is Amaterasu, Enton is the ability to manipulate and shape it, that's it.

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    It's pretty clear that Amaterasu burns hotter when the user wants it to. Itachi did so on the fire-breathing toad's insides and Sasuke burnt Danzo to ashes, both done in seconds.

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility
    The only attack Sasuke possesses that would likely be effective against Gaara is his Genjutsu.
    Wow. That's pretty wrong. I've seen Gaara's sand obliterated by mere taijutsu, and the only way his sand manages to keep Amaterasu from burning through it is by piling layers in the way that continue to burn away. If he were to make say, a shell around him, the Enton would burn straight through if he isn't steadily pouring sand their to keep the flames at bay.

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    Amaterasu, Kirin, Susanoo are not likely to particularly effective against Gaara. Amaterasu is too slow-burning to be of particular concern, Kirin requires prep time that would likely allow Gaara to take control of massive amounts of sand in order to defend himself. Gaara would likely overwhelm Susanoo by simply grinding away at it with his sand until Sasuke is unable to keep it materialised.
    Amaterasu's casting is instantaneous allowing Sasuke to drop it at the most opportune time. Kirin prepares while Sasuke can continue attacking, allowing him to do the same, not to mention there's no way in hell Gaara can muster a sand defense in 1/1000th of a second that's as big as a mountain. Thirdly, Gaara needs to pull the opponent from Susanoo, he can't deal enough physical damage to corrode the outside with his sand. He even flatout states that attacking Susanoo is useless. Remember, this was never a final form Susanoo he's fought against either. If he thought attacking a skeletal form Susanoo was a waste of time, what do you think he's gonna do when he's faced down by an armored and clothed Susanoo?


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    The only way I see a victory for Sasuke is if he immediately closes the distance and traps Gaara within his Genjutsu before Gaara' s sand comes to the defence, unlikely if Gaara and Sasuke have any real distance at the start of the fight or Gaara is prepared to immediately take the defensive; something that is his natural inclination. However, if Gaara is a significant distance from Sasuke at the commencement of the battle, or manages to establish his defence, the battle significantly favours Gaara from start to end. The longer the battle, the more improbable any sort of victory for Sasuke becomes.
    I think that's the easiest way to win, but it's not the only way. Just like how Deidara lured his sand away with flight before hiding explosive clay in Gaara's own sand, Sasuke can bait away the sand before dropping an Enton on him, sneaking an explosive kunai tag in Gaara's sand, or extending a Chidori Eisou to chop away his defenses to get closer, or simply punching straight through Gaara's defense and knocking him out of the sky with a swat from his Susanoo (as Itachi and Sasuke have proven that it can be used effectively in mid-air). Gaara's strength doesn't lie in the power of his sand, but in the shear amount of it. So killing him is just a matter of displacing enough sand that one of Sasuke's attacks connects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
    Gaara showed to be able to deal with Amaterasu, and his sand resisting both Raikage's attack and Sasuke's enton proves that he can deal with any kind of Chidori attacks.
    Further, he is a sensor thanks to his sand, so he would be able to track Sasuke's movements without looking into his eyes, thus preventing Tsukuyomi also.
    No it didn't. Raikage performed nothing more than a leg drop. It's not the same as an attack with the same piercing power as a Chidori or Chidori Eisou, and he was only fast enough to block that attack because it didn't rely on Raikage's movement speed. It was just a normal hop-and-drop. No picked up momentum or shunshin. Lastly, Gaara's sensing relies on his sand touching Sasuke. If Sasuke isn't on the ground it's a waste, and even then, Gaara's sand isn't fast enough to follow Sasuke and paralysis Genjutsu is still an option, not just distraction Genjutsu.

    [quote]Susano'o would be a bitch to deal with, and I don't know if Gaara, with only his sand, could prevent the arrows to hit him.
    Then again, Gaara is one of the few characters in the Narutoverse that has chances to deal with Susano'o, so that is a big advantage.[quote]

    Except Sasuke is capable of using jutsu during his Susanoo defense, so if Sasuke is ever stuck in a situation where Gaara's trying to rip him out of his Susanoo, he can time a Genjutsu to stop him with or drop an Amaterasu on him before he's fully pulled out.


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    Ironically, I believe that Gaara has more chances in scenario 1 than in scenario 2, since Kirin is a beastly jutsu, and Sasuke being able to drop it whenever he wants is too much of an advantage, since he would be able to exploit any weakness from Gaara.
    And I doubt that even the sand of Shukaku can deal with speed close to the speed of light itself.
    Sasuke's capable of using Kirin in the first scenario aswell. It's just not prepped yet.

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    And Raiton Armour almost blocked passively Sasuke's Chidori, meaning that the strongest, most focused attack from Sasuke was barely enough to pierce something the Raikage has always on.
    Its not like Raikage focused his chakra onto the part Sasuke hit, mostly because A was plenty arrogant not to believe Sasuke could've pierced his guard.
    Are you claiming that Gaara's sand is tougher than Raikage's Raiton Armor? A shroud powered by BIJUU level chakra? Come on, be serious. Even when Sasuke hit his sand with Enton it pushed his sand away, almost going completely through. We've seen Sasuke cut through stone, metal, and bijuu limbs with his Eisou. A Chidori Eisou would shred through his sand as easily as it slashed away these materials, and it's not even as strong as a basic Chidori.


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    Say Gaara uses the sand thingy he used to defend against Chidori back in part 1 and Deidara back in part 2, the ball thing.
    Since Amaterasu can't burn trough Gaara's sand as showed in the manga, and that Gaara not only can see thanks to the third eye, but also control sand remotely, how can Amaterasu get past it?
    Focused or not, we saw Gaara's sand barely affected by Amaterasu's flames ( Enton uses Amaterasu's flames ) so yeah, here you have Gaara's answer to Amaterasu.
    Then Sasuke simply maintains the focus of the Amaterasu around his sand shield until the temperature inside of the Sand Dome grows higher and higher, dehydrating Gaara and making him pop like an egg in a pressure cooker. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_cooker He'd either drop his sand dome to cool off and get stabbed in the head with a Chidori Eisou, or sit their thinking Sasuke will tire out only to have a Susanoo arrow fly through the dome and hit him in the torso, killing him still. OR Sasuke grabs the dome with his Susanoo hands and crushes him like again, an egg. Or he lets the heat from his Amaterasu prep Kirin and fall on the dome obliterating Gaara.

    Too many options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha
    Amaterasu is Amaterasu, Enton is the ability to manipulate and shape it, that's it.
    Not only are you incapable of proving this, but it's been shown in the manga that using Shape Manipulation on previously created jutsu usually diminishes the power of the attack. Chidori is stronger than Chidori Eisou, Chidori Senbon, Chidori Nagashi, and Chidorigatana. It's not at all impossible to believe that Enton are weaker than full on Amaterasu. They're definately slower, that's for damn sure.

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post



    Not only are you incapable of proving this, but it's been shown in the manga that using Shape Manipulation on previously created jutsu usually diminishes the power of the attack. Chidori is stronger than Chidori Eisou, Chidori Senbon, Chidori Nagashi, and Chidorigatana. It's not at all impossible to believe that Enton are weaker than full on Amaterasu. They're definately slower, that's for damn sure.
    In the same way you're incapable of proving anything about the temperature of Amaterasu, also, who told you Chidori is stronger than these ? These variations of Chidori are for complete different objectives, you cannot compare them in any way to Chidori.

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    It's pretty clear that Amaterasu burns hotter when the user wants it to. Itachi did so on the fire-breathing toad's insides and Sasuke burnt Danzo to ashes, both done in seconds.
    What ? Any proof please ? I've never heard Itachi/Sasuke saying " Okay i'll make this Amaterasu hotter next time "

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha
    In the same way you're incapable of proving anything about the temperature of Amaterasu, also, who told you Chidori is stronger than these ? These variations of Chidori are for complete different objectives, you cannot compare them in any way to Chidori.
    The databook (and by proxy, the wiki). Chidori is ranked higher than all of them except Nagashi, except it actually states in these jutsu discriptions that they are weaker than Chidori. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Sharp_Spear

    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha
    What ? Any proof please ? I've never heard Itachi/Sasuke saying " Okay i'll make this Amaterasu hotter next time "
    He just told you. Jiraiya's Toad Stomach jutsu is made of the insides of a Fire Toad, meaning it's flame retardant and burn-proof. Yet, Amaterasu had absolutely no problems insinerating through the stomach in no time. Yet we've seen other times where Amaterasu touches someone's clothes and they don't incinerate (Karin, that random samurai he hit, Nagato). The fact that Itachi could look directly at the wall and burn it with focused intent allowed him to burn through the wall easily. But when Sasuke hit Karin and the samurai, it was indirect burning and he was no longer focusing on what he wanted to burn, so they burned slowly.

    Same happened when Itachi hit Nagato with Amaterasu. He layed there throughout Itachi's entire conversation with Naruto and only lost an arm. But when Sasuke hit Danzou with Amaterasu he burned away in an instant, meaning he was focusing on him at that time.

    All of these are multiple instances where it happened.

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    No it didn't. Raikage performed nothing more than a leg drop. It's not the same as an attack with the same piercing power as a Chidori or Chidori Eisou, and he was only fast enough to block that attack because it didn't rely on Raikage's movement speed. It was just a normal hop-and-drop. No picked up momentum or shunshin. Lastly, Gaara's sensing relies on his sand touching Sasuke. If Sasuke isn't on the ground it's a waste, and even then, Gaara's sand isn't fast enough to follow Sasuke and paralysis Genjutsu is still an option, not just distraction Genjutsu.
    How come, then, Raikage pierced Juugo apart with a single punch?
    Since the Raiton Armour is, like the name suggestes, a Raiton, it is of no doubt that it has piercing capacity. It is the very foundation of Raiton jutsus, after all.
    And Gaara's sand was showed to be able to block, back in part 1, Kimimaro's attacks, up to CS2.
    And we know that Kimimaro >>>>> Pre-time skip Sasuke.

    As for Genjutsu, true, if Sasuke is on his hawk it would be impossible to sense him.
    But say Sasuke goes up in the air, Gaara produces a lot of sand from the ground, like the sea of sand that he summoned against Kimimaro ( not to mention the one he used against the Kages ).
    Not only that, he has no qualms about following Sasuke in the air, since, even if he preps Kirin, it would still need at least 3-5 minutes to launch. All the time, for Gaara, to prepare enough sand to defend from it

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    Except Sasuke is capable of using jutsu during his Susanoo defense, so if Sasuke is ever stuck in a situation where Gaara's trying to rip him out of his Susanoo, he can time a Genjutsu to stop him with or drop an Amaterasu on him before he's fully pulled out.
    Which long range jutsu would be effective? The Goukyakuu?
    Back then Gaara made short work of Katons

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    Sasuke's capable of using Kirin in the first scenario aswell. It's just not prepped yet.
    Exactly, Kirin needs a lot of prep time, prep time that Gaara can exploit to create a good enough defence

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    Are you claiming that Gaara's sand is tougher than Raikage's Raiton Armor? A shroud powered by BIJUU level chakra? Come on, be serious. Even when Sasuke hit his sand with Enton it pushed his sand away, almost going completely through. We've seen Sasuke cut through stone, metal, and bijuu limbs with his Eisou. A Chidori Eisou would shred through his sand as easily as it slashed away these materials, and it's not even as strong as a basic Chidori.
    We saw Gaara's sand withstand Raikage's attack, Enton, Madara's volley of Matagamas, and Jokey Boy also.
    And you forget that Gaara use of the sand was comparated as Shukaku's by his father. So definitely Gaara has bijuu-level abilities, if not reserves. The guy is insane
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    Then Sasuke simply maintains the focus of the Amaterasu around his sand shield until the temperature inside of the Sand Dome grows higher and higher, dehydrating Gaara and making him pop like an egg in a pressure cooker. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_cooker He'd either drop his sand dome to cool off and get stabbed in the head with a Chidori Eisou, or sit their thinking Sasuke will tire out only to have a Susanoo arrow fly through the dome and hit him in the torso, killing him still. OR Sasuke grabs the dome with his Susanoo hands and crushes him like again, an egg. Or he lets the heat from his Amaterasu prep Kirin and fall on the dome obliterating Gaara.

    Too many options.
    Shame he can discard that Sand, while creating new one. Amaterasu would only evenlope the part in front of him, meaning gaara can easily take the rear off and flee, or leave a suna bushin behind:
    we saw against Deidara that Sasuke, or the Sharingan, is sensitive to bushins, as he didn't recognize the Clay Bushin.
    Simply put, Sasuke would waste a lot of chakra while Gaara could simply reform sand from the ground, like he did, again, against Kimimaro. The only threat, as I said, would be Susano'o arrows, which we don't know for sure if Gaara could divert.

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Wow. That's pretty wrong. I've seen Gaara's sand obliterated by mere taijutsu, and the only way his sand manages to keep Amaterasu from burning through it is by piling layers in the way that continue to burn away. If he were to make say, a shell around him, the Enton would burn straight through if he isn't steadily pouring sand their to keep the flames at bay.
    That's the basis of Gaara's defence....piles of sand. If Amaterasu burns through some sand, he just adds more. Gaara can pile up shields of sand all day long, Sasuke is likely to be dead from exhaustion long before Amaterasu burns through Gaara's sand.

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    Amaterasu's casting is instantaneous allowing Sasuke to drop it at the most opportune time. Kirin prepares while Sasuke can continue attacking, allowing him to do the same, not to mention there's no way in hell Gaara can muster a sand defense in 1/1000th of a second that's as big as a mountain. Thirdly, Gaara needs to pull the opponent from Susanoo, he can't deal enough physical damage to corrode the outside with his sand. He even flatout states that attacking Susanoo is useless. Remember, this was never a final form Susanoo he's fought against either. If he thought attacking a skeletal form Susanoo was a waste of time, what do you think he's gonna do when he's faced down by an armored and clothed Susanoo?
    Why would Gaara need to muster a sand defence as large as a mountain in 1/1000th of a second? Nothing Sasuke has shown is capable of almost instantaneously destroying mountains. Gaara doesn't need to destroy Susanno, he simply outlasts it. Keep it surrounded by sand, and eventually Sasuke is going to be unable to sustain it.

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    I think that's the easiest way to win, but it's not the only way. Just like how Deidara lured his sand away with flight before hiding explosive clay in Gaara's own sand, Sasuke can bait away the sand before dropping an Enton on him, sneaking an explosive kunai tag in Gaara's sand, or extending a Chidori Eisou to chop away his defenses to get closer, or simply punching straight through Gaara's defense and knocking him out of the sky with a swat from his Susanoo (as Itachi and Sasuke have proven that it can be used effectively in mid-air). Gaara's strength doesn't lie in the power of his sand, but in the shear amount of it. So killing him is just a matter of displacing enough sand that one of Sasuke's attacks connects.
    Deidara's strategy relied on Gaara's desperation to save his village beneath their battle, so I don't see how their battle is applicable. Gaara's sand would protect him from an Enton. Sneaking explosives into Gaara's sand required Deidara to surrender his arm, Sasuke is unlikely to take the same risk because an explosive kunai isn't anywhere near the explosiveness of the what Deidara used against Gaara while in his sphere. This also assumes that Gaara would have the need to enter his sphere in a battle against Sasuke. Gaara needed the sphere to protect him against Deidara's mobile explosives. Sasuke has no techniques with the mobility of Deidara's that would offer a 360 degree potential for attack. As such Gaara would not likely feel the need for the sphere. As for Chidori Eisou, it is a spear. Spears pierce, they do not chop. Attacks with Chidori Eisou and Susanoo assume that Sasuke will be in relatively close range to Gaara wile in mid-air battle with him. Gaara is unlikely to allow such a thing to happen. In a battle in the air, Sasuke is likely to find himself on the defensive far away from Gaara. The closer he gets the more likely he is to be swallowed by Gaara's sand.
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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    The databook (and by proxy, the wiki). Chidori is ranked higher than all of them except Nagashi, except it actually states in these jutsu discriptions that they are weaker than Chidori. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Sharp_Spear



    He just told you. Jiraiya's Toad Stomach jutsu is made of the insides of a Fire Toad, meaning it's flame retardant and burn-proof. Yet, Amaterasu had absolutely no problems insinerating through the stomach in no time. Yet we've seen other times where Amaterasu touches someone's clothes and they don't incinerate (Karin, that random samurai he hit, Nagato). The fact that Itachi could look directly at the wall and burn it with focused intent allowed him to burn through the wall easily. But when Sasuke hit Karin and the samurai, it was indirect burning and he was no longer focusing on what he wanted to burn, so they burned slowly.

    Same happened when Itachi hit Nagato with Amaterasu. He layed there throughout Itachi's entire conversation with Naruto and only lost an arm. But when Sasuke hit Danzou with Amaterasu he burned away in an instant, meaning he was focusing on him at that time.

    All of these are multiple instances where it happened.
    What you pointed are inconsistencies that has not been explained at all, and you make up some explanation that hasn't been hinted at all in the manga. Fact is, Kishi never ever mentioned anything about controlling the temperature of Amaterasu, I'm not saying it isn't logical, but it hasn't been showcased at all, therefore it is your own explication and cannot be used as an argument to say that Gaara will get roasted.

    About the Chidori variations, as I said, each of these techniques serve a purpose, you cannot compare them at all. If you want to compare between 2 techniques, they need to serve the same purpose : Example, Kakashi's Raikiri and Sasuke's Chidori (Which technique does have the more piercing power ? etc)

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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
    How come, then, Raikage pierced Juugo apart with a single punch?
    Since the Raiton Armour is, like the name suggestes, a Raiton, it is of no doubt that it has piercing capacity. It is the very foundation of Raiton jutsus, after all.
    And Gaara's sand was showed to be able to block, back in part 1, Kimimaro's attacks, up to CS2.
    And we know that Kimimaro >>>>> Pre-time skip Sasuke.
    Because that was a punch, not a leg drop. Raikage could simply apply more force if he wanted. The legdrop however, relied on gravity to do all it's damage. And I don't care how much more skilled Kimamaro was than pre time skip Sasuke, he hadn't a single attack that was strong enough to take a head on clash with a Chidori. Not even that hardest bone.

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    As for Genjutsu, true, if Sasuke is on his hawk it would be impossible to sense him.
    But say Sasuke goes up in the air, Gaara produces a lot of sand from the ground, like the sea of sand that he summoned against Kimimaro ( not to mention the one he used against the Kages ).
    Not only that, he has no qualms about following Sasuke in the air, since, even if he preps Kirin, it would still need at least 3-5 minutes to launch. All the time, for Gaara, to prepare enough sand to defend from it.
    This depends on the battlefield and whether Gaara gets the time to grind sand to add to his normal collection. It's not like he has control over all of the sand everywhere. As for prepping Kirin, Gaara has no way of knowing what's coming. If the Gouryuuka misses Gaara he'll simply ignore it and keep fighting until Kirin has already amassed enough lightning to make a giant lighting formation. He has no way of knowing Sasuke's responsible for the storm starting if Sasuke makes no allusions to it.

    Not to mention inorder to keep attacking Sasuke Gaara has to expend chakra, while all Sasuke has to do is ride his bird. No chakra loss at all until he starts to launch attacks of his own.

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    Which long range jutsu would be effective? The Goukyakuu?
    Back then Gaara made short work of Katons
    Susanoo arrows. Gouryuuka (pierced through stone). Chidori Eisou. Chidori charged shuriken. Enton magatama and Amaterasu. Before claiming he can't make enton arrows or magatama because he doesn't have EMS, I'll remind you that his final form Susanoo when he fought Kakashi had the Enton jewel in it's hand meaning yes, he certainly does have the tools to do so.

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    Exactly, Kirin needs a lot of prep time, prep time that Gaara can exploit to create a good enough defence
    It doesn't at all, but even if it did it's not like Sasuke is immobile during the preperation, and Gaara doesn't know what's coming until he sees the giant raiton formation. As far as he knows it's just a naturally occuring storm.

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    Shame he can discard that Sand, while creating new one. Amaterasu would only evenlope the part in front of him, meaning gaara can easily take the rear off and flee, or leave a suna bushin behind:
    we saw against Deidara that Sasuke, or the Sharingan, is sensitive to bushins, as he didn't recognize the Clay Bushin.
    Simply put, Sasuke would waste a lot of chakra while Gaara could simply reform sand from the ground, like he did, again, against Kimimaro. The only threat, as I said, would be Susano'o arrows, which we don't know for sure if Gaara could divert.
    Except he can't. He doesn't create the sand, he pulls it from another source. His defense depends on whether he can muster the sand to do just that. And if the attack is powering through before the sand can get there then he's screwed. If he does indeed drop the sand that's behind him so that he can escape an incoming Amaterasu, that's fine. But if Sasuke fires an Enton Arrow through the dome it's gonna go straight and pierce Gaara anyway since it's piercing power is more than enough to get through that sand. Ditto for just using Chidori Eisou, since Sasuke can extend extra blades from the tip in any direction, guaranteeing that Gaara's atleast partially injured.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility
    That's the basis of Gaara's defence....piles of sand. If Amaterasu burns through some sand, he just adds more. Gaara can pile up shields of sand all day long, Sasuke is likely to be dead from exhaustion long before Amaterasu burns through Gaara's sand.
    Depends on the situation. If he's in the sky with a dome around him there's no more sand to apply to the burned away portions until he summons more from beneath. And if Sasuke had coated his Susanoo fist in Amaterasu then when he punches through the dome the chances of embers getting in to set him aflame increases immensely. Ditto for Enton Arrows and swords. What's worse is that Sasuke doesn't have have to expend a large amount of chakra using Amaterasu if he relies on the jewel from his Susanoo, allowing him to spam to his hearts content like he did against the White Zetsu group.

    If they're on the ground then yes, Gaara has no shortage of sand, so it's a different scenario. Though his Susanoo arrows hit with destructive force more than enough to go through his dome and if he uses Enton Arrows then the same effect takes place.


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    Why would Gaara need to muster a sand defence as large as a mountain in 1/1000th of a second? Nothing Sasuke has shown is capable of almost instantaneously destroying mountains. Gaara doesn't need to destroy Susanno, he simply outlasts it. Keep it surrounded by sand, and eventually Sasuke is going to be unable to sustain it.
    Seriously? You can't think of one jutsu Sasuke has shown in the manga, that the surrounding witnesses have called so fast it connects in 1/1000th of a second? Not a single jutsu? It's a flashy attack. Named after a mythological creature? Looks kinda like a dragon? No?

    As for Susanoo, the problem with it isn't only because he can't hit him until he removes him from it, or he waits Sasuke out: it's the fact that Sasuke maintains his offensive while inside of it. From Genjutsu to Enton to Katon to raiton to weapons (he threw his sword from his Susanoo while fighting Kabuto, meaning kunai and shuriken are an option aswell), Sasuke's assault doesn't have to end until he needs a breather. And in the off chance that he's backed into a corner he can take to the sky, regaining his strength as he waits on his hawk who's flying around protecting as Sasuke gets his second wind.


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    Deidara's strategy relied on Gaara's desperation to save his village beneath their battle, so I don't see how their battle is applicable. Gaara's sand would protect him from an Enton. Sneaking explosives into Gaara's sand required Deidara to surrender his arm, Sasuke is unlikely to take the same risk because an explosive kunai isn't anywhere near the explosiveness of the what Deidara used against Gaara while in his sphere. This also assumes that Gaara would have the need to enter his sphere in a battle against Sasuke. Gaara needed the sphere to protect him against Deidara's mobile explosives. Sasuke has no techniques with the mobility of Deidara's that would offer a 360 degree potential for attack. As such Gaara would not likely feel the need for the sphere.
    The sphere Gaara used against Deidara is literally the exact same sphere he used against Sasuke when they fought. To say that there will be no reason for him to do so goes against previously proven canon: Gaara can not contend with fast opponents. He'll protect himself with a full dome just like he did when he fought Sasuke; just like he did when he fought Deidara. As for using an explosive tag inside of Gaara's dome, there's always the possibility he could use dozens. He has plenty of them in his wrist seals (attached to kunai). As for the mobility of his attacks, Sasuke has shown the ability to control the movements of his Fuuma and Windmill Shuriken and once again, even if his Genjutsu wasn't guaranteed to hit, Gaara would choose to prevent himself from getting caught by hiding behind his sand, obstructing his own vision. This gives Sasuke all kinds of sneak attack options.

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    As for Chidori Eisou, it is a spear. Spears pierce, they do not chop. Attacks with Chidori Eisou and Susanoo assume that Sasuke will be in relatively close range to Gaara wile in mid-air battle with him. Gaara is unlikely to allow such a thing to happen. In a battle in the air, Sasuke is likely to find himself on the defensive far away from Gaara. The closer he gets the more likely he is to be swallowed by Gaara's sand.
    It's not an actual spear, and you've seen on two seperate occasions it's especially adept at chopping AND piercing attacks (chopping through Bee's tentacle, cutting through Deidara's CS2 Dragon wing). Even if you wanted to argue that he just let them both hit his Eisou instead of him actually chopping, it doesn't change the fact that they hit the side of his attack and were chopped. If Eisou had no chopping power the attacks would have just pushed the blade aside.

    And creating a safe opportunity for closing the distance is as simple as looking Gaara in the eye. From forcing him to extend sand in the wrong direction, wasting chakra on trying to attack phantoms... to fooling him into thinking he just crushed the real Sasuke, both of these illusions allow him to set up explosive kunai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Because that was a punch, not a leg drop. Raikage could simply apply more force if he wanted. The legdrop however, relied on gravity to do all it's damage. And I don't care how much more skilled Kimamaro was than pre time skip Sasuke, he hadn't a single attack that was strong enough to take a head on clash with a Chidori. Not even that hardest bone.
    Debatable, since I doubt that Orochimaru would've wanted a body killable by a Chidori.
    Not only that, but we saw that, without the cursed seal, Kimimaro's bones could pierce the samurai's chakra empowered katanas. So you'll pardon me if I believe that Kimimaro with the CS2 was able to do much more damage than Sasuke's Chidori

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    This depends on the battlefield and whether Gaara gets the time to grind sand to add to his normal collection. It's not like he has control over all of the sand everywhere. As for prepping Kirin, Gaara has no way of knowing what's coming. If the Gouryuuka misses Gaara he'll simply ignore it and keep fighting until Kirin has already amassed enough lightning to make a giant lighting formation. He has no way of knowing Sasuke's responsible for the storm starting if Sasuke makes no allusions to it.
    How could he use the Ryuusa Bakuryu ( the sand sea thingy ) against Kimimaro if he couldn't?
    They were fighting in a forest-like environment, so there wasn't sand in any shape or form.

    As for Kirìin, I doubt that Gaara would not note stormclouds forming, like, in 2 or 3 minutes.
    And again, setting Kirin up takes a lot of chakra from Sasuke, him setting it up together with Amaterasu like he did against Itachi would make a good chunk on his reserves, while Gaara would survive, and be relatively fresh

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    Not to mention inorder to keep attacking Sasuke Gaara has to expend chakra, while all Sasuke has to do is ride his bird. No chakra loss at all until he starts to launch attacks of his own.
    Shame summoning requires chakra, and that controlling sand is easy as breathing for Gaara, as showed, again, in part 1 when he made float the sand despite being nearly out of chakra.
    And that Gaara <<<<< actual Gaara in sand manipulation and chakra reserve.
    Not only that, but Gaara is insanely fast on his sand, enough to keep up with Deidara, which was as fast as Oonoki on air, a feat Sasuke can't really display on his hawk

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    Susanoo arrows. Gouryuuka (pierced through stone). Chidori Eisou. Chidori charged shuriken. Enton magatama and Amaterasu. Before claiming he can't make enton arrows or magatama because he doesn't have EMS, I'll remind you that his final form Susanoo when he fought Kakashi had the Enton jewel in it's hand meaning yes, he certainly does have the tools to do so.
    Sasuke never showed the Matagama, only Itachi and Madara did, unless you're talking about the Amaterasu spammage. Again Gaara blocked the same thing when Sasuke launched at him the Amaterasu flames.
    As for the arrows, again, it is not a given, if Mokuton could divert them, a wall of sand could. Or it could not, we don't know.
    Regarding Goryuuka, not only Gaara's sand never displayed any problem at dispatching Katons, but also it was able to stop Enton. And I believe enton to be way more strong than Goryuuka

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    It doesn't at all, but even if it did it's not like Sasuke is immobile during the preperation, and Gaara doesn't know what's coming until he sees the giant raiton formation. As far as he knows it's just a naturally occuring storm.
    Yes, since it required a good amount of time against Itachi, and it had a whole forest burning to help setting it up.
    As for the weather, if it is sunny no, its far from natural lol

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    Except he can't. He doesn't create the sand, he pulls it from another source. His defense depends on whether he can muster the sand to do just that. And if the attack is powering through before the sand can get there then he's screwed. If he does indeed drop the sand that's behind him so that he can escape an incoming Amaterasu, that's fine. But if Sasuke fires an Enton Arrow through the dome it's gonna go straight and pierce Gaara anyway since it's piercing power is more than enough to get through that sand. Ditto for just using Chidori Eisou, since Sasuke can extend extra blades from the tip in any direction, guaranteeing that Gaara's atleast partially injured.
    How did he do this then, I wonder?
    See the size?

    As for Sasuke piercing Gaara with Chidori Eisou:
    1-With the Third Eye he would see it coming right away
    2-Chidori Eisou is neither instantaneous nor insanely fast, and Gaara could likely avoid it by escaping the ball from the rear, leaving a Suna Bushin behind and making Sasuke possibly lower his guard while he might trap him below him thanks to his sand.

    Unless you are suggesting that Sasuke can launch Amaterasu and at the same time an Amaterasu Arrow, which never happened in the manga, then Gaara has all the time in the world to get the hell out of the sand ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Depends on the situation. If he's in the sky with a dome around him there's no more sand to apply to the burned away portions until he summons more from beneath. And if Sasuke had coated his Susanoo fist in Amaterasu then when he punches through the dome the chances of embers getting in to set him aflame increases immensely. Ditto for Enton Arrows and swords. What's worse is that Sasuke doesn't have have to expend a large amount of chakra using Amaterasu if he relies on the jewel from his Susanoo, allowing him to spam to his hearts content like he did against the White Zetsu group.

    If they're on the ground then yes, Gaara has no shortage of sand, so it's a different scenario. Though his Susanoo arrows hit with destructive force more than enough to go through his dome and if he uses Enton Arrows then the same effect takes place.
    He just creates masiive amounts of more sand, something he is adept at doing easily and relatively quickly. Gaara's almost endless potential supply of sand is without a doubt going to outlast Sasuke using Amaterasu. And how did we get from a long-ranged Amaterasu to a close-ranged Amaterasu-coated Susanoo fist?

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    Seriously? You can't think of one jutsu Sasuke has shown in the manga, that the surrounding witnesses have called so fast it connects in 1/1000th of a second? Not a single jutsu? It's a flashy attack. Named after a mythological creature? Looks kinda like a dragon? No?
    It was obvious that you were referencing Kirin. But the speed of the technique is measured from start to finish, the actual Kirin lightning strike may be seemingly instantaneous, but its initiation is not. You argued that Gaara would only have 1/1000th of a second to prepare, but he has 1/1000th of a second plus the time it takes for Sasuke to initiate Kirin, which is in fact much longer than 1/1000th of a second.

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    As for Susanoo, the problem with it isn't only because he can't hit him until he removes him from it, or he waits Sasuke out: it's the fact that Sasuke maintains his offensive while inside of it. From Genjutsu to Enton to Katon to raiton to weapons (he threw his sword from his Susanoo while fighting Kabuto, meaning kunai and shuriken are an option aswell), Sasuke's assault doesn't have to end until he needs a breather. And in the off chance that he's backed into a corner he can take to the sky, regaining his strength as he waits on his hawk who's flying around protecting as Sasuke gets his second wind.
    Gaara is not going to be anywhere near Sasuke during his use of Susanoo. The strategy would be to maintain distance between the two. thereby nullifying any major threats from Susanoo. Gaara is able to manipulate sand from long distances. If Sasuke uses his Susanoo on the ground, Gaara takes to the air and simply throws massive sand attacks at him continuously. And Sasuke's ability to summon Susanoo is going to be somewhat limited when in the air. He is not prevented from doing so but it will likely seriously affect his ability to stay airborne on his hawk. And I'm sorry to say that taking to the air is not going to allow him to regain any real amount of chakra, especially since Gaara is unlikely to let him enjoy a casual flight.

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    The sphere Gaara used against Deidara is literally the exact same sphere he used against Sasuke when they fought. To say that there will be no reason for him to do so goes against previously proven canon: Gaara can not contend with fast opponents. He'll protect himself with a full dome just like he did when he fought Sasuke; just like he did when he fought Deidara. As for using an explosive tag inside of Gaara's dome, there's always the possibility he could use dozens. He has plenty of them in his wrist seals (attached to kunai). As for the mobility of his attacks, Sasuke has shown the ability to control the movements of his Fuuma and Windmill Shuriken and once again, even if his Genjutsu wasn't guaranteed to hit, Gaara would choose to prevent himself from getting caught by hiding behind his sand, obstructing his own vision. This gives Sasuke all kinds of sneak attack options.
    He used a sphere against Sasuke before the timeskip. Before he showed the ability to take to the air, Sasuke's ground speed over him necessitated the use of the sphere. Sasuke is going to be unable to use his speed in the middle of the air. Attempting to use the events of their Chuunin exam battle is pointless. The mobility of Sasuke's shuriken and Deidara's explosives aren't even remotely comparable, and nowhere near the same level of threat.


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    And creating a safe opportunity for closing the distance is as simple as looking Gaara in the eye. From forcing him to extend sand in the wrong direction, wasting chakra on trying to attack phantoms... to fooling him into thinking he just crushed the real Sasuke, both of these illusions allow him to set up explosive kunai.
    I've already offered that Sasuke's Genjutsu is the only likely method of effective attack against Gaara. However, once distance has been established the odds of its success are weak at best. Sasuke will likely be on defence for the entire battle if Gaara takes to the air and establishes a buffer of sand between the two of them. Once distance has been achieved by Gaara, I don't see how Sasuke wins against Gaara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uchih_Blood
    Debatable, since I doubt that Orochimaru would've wanted a body killable by a Chidori.
    Not only that, but we saw that, without the cursed seal, Kimimaro's bones could pierce the samurai's chakra empowered katanas. So you'll pardon me if I believe that Kimimaro with the CS2 was able to do much more damage than Sasuke's Chidori.
    Every body is killable by a Chidori, given the right circumstances... so that doesn't really matter. Hell, he wanted Sasuke's body and it's killable with a Chidori. And once again, Chidori is NOT the same as the Samurai's chakra flow weapons. We even saw Sasuke cut straight through all of their chakra attacks with Chidorigatana, whish is weaker than Chidori by a whole rank. Niether of this has any bearing on the fight, but it needed to be clarified.


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    How could he use the Ryuusa Bakuryu ( the sand sea thingy ) against Kimimaro if he couldn't?
    They were fighting in a forest-like environment, so there wasn't sand in any shape or form.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/215/11 In the very chapter you got your first can from it shows that Gaara was already grinding the ground beneath him into sand, meaning he was prepping throughout that whole fight. That's how Ryuusa Bakuryu was usable: Kimimaro couldn't end the fight before Gaara could use it.

    So once again, unless they're in a desert, he's not dropping any sand tsunamis until he's amassed the necessary amount of recourses.

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    As for Kirìin, I doubt that Gaara would not note stormclouds forming, like, in 2 or 3 minutes.
    And again, setting Kirin up takes a lot of chakra from Sasuke, him setting it up together with Amaterasu like he did against Itachi would make a good chunk on his reserves, while Gaara would survive, and be relatively fresh.
    It takes one usage of Gouryuuka. You forget that in the fight against Itachi Sasuke used multiple A rank raiton, A B rank katon, multiple uses of the curse seal (which forcefully pulls out more chakra from the body, making even MORE chakra waste), spent a ton of chakra trying to snap out of Tsukuyomi, summoned some snakes... and used Orochimaru's Kawarimi which takes up a ton of chakra as Itachi stated... all while STILL holding Orochimaru at bay with his chakra. But he's gonna be exhausted after one Gouryuuka? No way.

    As for Kirin, yes he would note it, but he wouldn't dwell on it. There'd be no reason, especially if giant shuriken are headed for his face to keep him from thinking too much about it. Itachi is incredibly analytical and he didn't think anything of the instant storm that appeared around him. I've no reason to believe Gaara's any more inciteful than Itachi.

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    Shame summoning requires chakra, and that controlling sand is easy as breathing for Gaara, as showed, again, in part 1 when he made float the sand despite being nearly out of chakra.
    And that Gaara <<<<< actual Gaara in sand manipulation and chakra reserve.
    Not only that, but Gaara is insanely fast on his sand, enough to keep up with Deidara, which was as fast as Oonoki on air, a feat Sasuke can't really display on his hawk
    Shame it doesn't cost as much as it does for Gaara to move his sand. Summoning's chakra cost is determined by the size of the summon. It's also only C rank, so it likely wouldn't cost more than say... a Goukakkyu. Then, after summoning it, Sasuke gets to fly around without wasting any more chakra to keep it aloft. Gaara however has to sustain himself, all the sand he keeps in the air, AND struggle to keep it moving at top speeds. He's on a time limit where as Sasuke is not.

    As for flight speed, Sasuke's hawk hasn't been shown to be slower than any other flying object we've seen, and since Deidara's flying chicken relies on it's wings just like a normal bird does their speed should be comperable. The only difference being that the clay bird can't get tired, where as Sasuke's hawk likely can. Still, birds of prey are notorious for speed feets that dwarf that of normal birds, so there's always that. Not to mention, a hawk's eyesight extends like... 3 miles I think. Sasuke doesn't even need to see the sand coming and his hawk can still dodge provided they're at a long distance.


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    As for Sasuke piercing Gaara with Chidori Eisou:
    1-With the Third Eye he would see it coming right away
    2-Chidori Eisou is neither instantaneous nor insanely fast, and Gaara could likely avoid it by escaping the ball from the rear, leaving a Suna Bushin behind and making Sasuke possibly lower his guard while he might trap him below him thanks to his sand.
    Seeing it and having the speed to dodge is two different things altogether. Especially since he can swipe in a wide arch with the attack. And yes the heck it is insanely fast. It's literally only been dodged twice. Once by somone that can sense attacks coming. The other time by someone who was already nearly out of range. Yes he can use bunshin to escape Sasuke's attacks and grab him from beneath. But Sasuke can burst it off of him by activating Susanoo or using Nagashi to shock it off. Or simply summon his hawk beneath him the way Naruto summoned Bunta to escape Gaara's sand once.

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    Unless you are suggesting that Sasuke can launch Amaterasu and at the same time an Amaterasu Arrow, which never happened in the manga, then Gaara has all the time in the world to get the hell out of the sand ball.
    No, I'm suggesting that an arrow made out of enton will both pierce through the sand ball AND burn Gaara just from nicking his clothing... or stabbing right through him. The thread creator said Sasuke doesn't have EMS, but he forgot that Sasuke still had the Enton Jewel before he even gained EMS, meaning he still had the potential to make Enton weaponry.

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    Sasuke never showed the Matagama, only Itachi and Madara did, unless you're talking about the Amaterasu spammage. Again Gaara blocked the same thing when Sasuke launched at him the Amaterasu flames.
    As for the arrows, again, it is not a given, if Mokuton could divert them, a wall of sand could. Or it could not, we don't know.
    Regarding Goryuuka, not only Gaara's sand never displayed any problem at dispatching Katons, but also it was able to stop Enton. And I believe enton to be way more strong than Goryuuka
    No, the Enton Shuriken he used against those Zetsu is called Enton Magatama on the wiki because they take literally the exact same shape as Itachi and Madara's magatama. Even made from the jewel just like both of their's.

    Likewise, Mokuton barely pushed the arrows away, and even then that was one arrow. Sasuke has proven he can fire multiple at once, and even then the Mokuton looks considerably stronger than Gaara's sand. Sasuke hit Gaara's sand with an Amaterasu once and it pushed it back. Amaterasu isn't even solid, what do you think a gigantic arrow fired at him is gonna do to it? It's gonna go straight through like that sand was a wet paper bag. As for blocking Gouryuuka, it's not just the heat you have to look at, it's the concussive force of the jutsu. Gouryuuka isn't just shaped like a dragon head, it looks semi-hard, proven by the fact that it punctured straight through the concrete sealing, instead of burning through and losing it's shape. It didn't even leave scorch marks. AND it was powerful enough to reach the clouds. Something with that kind of propulsion has to have tons of force behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha View Post
    What ? Any proof please ? I've never heard Itachi/Sasuke saying " Okay i'll make this Amaterasu hotter next time "
    As I pointed out, Itachi burning through the fire toad and Sasuke burning Danzo to ash. It's the same thing as with the size of the shot. Itachi showed he could create a huge blast of flames if he needed to, not merely the small regular blast. Same with Sasuke, who shot one big enough to cover the Hachibi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Which long range jutsu would be effective? The Goukyakuu?
    Back then Gaara made short work of Katons
    Susanoo's arrows, his Great Dragon Fire technique which was shown strong enough to burst through stone, Chidori variation, and Kirin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Exactly, Kirin needs a lot of prep time, prep time that Gaara can exploit to create a good enough defence
    Kirin only needs a few minutes before it's ready to be shot, all the while with Sasuke fully being able to keep Gaara busy so that he can't mount a suitable defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    We saw Gaara's sand withstand Raikage's attack, Enton, Madara's volley of Matagamas, and Jokey Boy also.
    And you forget that Gaara use of the sand was comparated as Shukaku's by his father. So definitely Gaara has bijuu-level abilities, if not reserves. The guy is insane
    Enton isn't as fast as Amaterasu and Gaara barely blocked the magatama technique even with Onoki adding to the defense. Susanoo's arrows are bigger then the magatama were, so there's a perfectly good chance they could get through. And while he clearly has alot of chakra, we've seen that if he was to employ his massive techniques, that would take a pretty big toll on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Shame he can discard that Sand, while creating new one. Amaterasu would only evenlope the part in front of him, meaning gaara can easily take the rear off and flee, or leave a suna bushin behind:
    we saw against Deidara that Sasuke, or the Sharingan, is sensitive to bushins, as he didn't recognize the Clay Bushin.
    Simply put, Sasuke would waste a lot of chakra while Gaara could simply reform sand from the ground, like he did, again, against Kimimaro. The only threat, as I said, would be Susano'o arrows, which we don't know for sure if Gaara could divert.
    If Sasuke can get him to discard the sand he uses for his barrier, then that would still be quite helpful. Don't forget, the personal sand Gaara uses to defend himself with is much faster and stronger then the regular sand he creates. Forcing Gaara to discard it would mean that Gaara would have to rely on a slower means of defending himself, pretty useful for someone with several instant attacks.

    The Sharingan isn't sensitive, it merely can't see through objects made from the target's chakra. Thus the reason the Hidden Mist is considered a counter. But that wouldn't matter here unless Gaara had the means to hide while is clone was out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    That's the basis of Gaara's defence....piles of sand. If Amaterasu burns through some sand, he just adds more. Gaara can pile up shields of sand all day long, Sasuke is likely to be dead from exhaustion long before Amaterasu burns through Gaara's sand.
    Amaterasu can burn quite fast and large when it needs to. Regardless, aside from the waves of sand he throws up to block attacks, Gaara doesn't "pile" sand up for his defense. He uses a specific amount of sand as his personal defense, as we saw in his fight with Deidara. The speed and power of Sasuke's attacks should be able to damage it before Gaara can purposely create a solid defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    Why would Gaara need to muster a sand defence as large as a mountain in 1/1000th of a second? Nothing Sasuke has shown is capable of almost instantaneously destroying mountains. Gaara doesn't need to destroy Susanno, he simply outlasts it. Keep it surrounded by sand, and eventually Sasuke is going to be unable to sustain it.
    He's fully capable of destroying a mountain. And surrounding Susanoo with sand isn't gonna stop Sasuke from being able to attack. That's the beauty of Susanoo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    Deidara's strategy relied on Gaara's desperation to save his village beneath their battle, so I don't see how their battle is applicable. Gaara's sand would protect him from an Enton. Sneaking explosives into Gaara's sand required Deidara to surrender his arm, Sasuke is unlikely to take the same risk because an explosive kunai isn't anywhere near the explosiveness of the what Deidara used against Gaara while in his sphere. This also assumes that Gaara would have the need to enter his sphere in a battle against Sasuke. Gaara needed the sphere to protect him against Deidara's mobile explosives. Sasuke has no techniques with the mobility of Deidara's that would offer a 360 degree potential for attack. As such Gaara would not likely feel the need for the sphere. As for Chidori Eisou, it is a spear. Spears pierce, they do not chop. Attacks with Chidori Eisou and Susanoo assume that Sasuke will be in relatively close range to Gaara wile in mid-air battle with him. Gaara is unlikely to allow such a thing to happen. In a battle in the air, Sasuke is likely to find himself on the defensive far away from Gaara. The closer he gets the more likely he is to be swallowed by Gaara's sand.
    An explosive tag would do more comparable damage, then Deidara's C1 bombs without Sasuke having to risk himself. Not to mention his Enton manipulation, which would allow him to strike at Gaara after Gaara thinks it safe. And Chidori Spear does chop/slice. Neither using the Chidori Spear, Susanoo's attacks, or even his Katon would require Sasuke to be that close to Gaara. They are all mid to long range. And as long as his hawk can fly well, he'll be able to maneuver enough to evade Gaara's attacks. Worst case, he'll simply have to have Susanoo active during the time.
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    Re: Gaara vs. Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha
    What you pointed are inconsistencies that has not been explained at all, and you make up some explanation that hasn't been hinted at all in the manga. Fact is, Kishi never ever mentioned anything about controlling the temperature of Amaterasu, I'm not saying it isn't logical, but it hasn't been showcased at all, therefore it is your own explication and cannot be used as an argument to say that Gaara will get roasted.
    It doesn't have to be explained if it's been shown. It's been stated multiple times in the actual manga that Amaterasu burns away whatever the user focuses on. No one made this up. It's just the fact that it's been shown that gives it more validity. If there's anything at all you can muster to prove otherwise, then please show us. Till then we're all relying on Kishimoto instead.

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    About the Chidori variations, as I said, each of these techniques serve a purpose, you cannot compare them at all. If you want to compare between 2 techniques, they need to serve the same purpose : Example, Kakashi's Raikiri and Sasuke's Chidori (Which technique does have the more piercing power ? etc)
    How the hell can they not be compared when the databook flat out says the exact words that Chidori Eisou is not as strong as Chidori? It's been compared already for me, lol. Unless you mean Enton and Raiton can't be compared. If that's the case you're still mistaken, since every element is compared to eachother in the databook already. Why do you think Fuuton is described as the best for slashing techniques? Because it's being directly compared to every other element. Ditto for elemental weaknesses.

    ---------- Post added at 11:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ----------

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ryuusa_Bakuryuu

    Just posting this link incase there's anyone out there who still thinks Gaara's gonna be throwing around mountains of sand without doing the prep first. It clearly states Ryuusa Bakuryu requires that the sand be created for the technique. Before it's claimed that he only needed to do this because it was before Part 2 I will remind everyone that when he fought Deidara he was surrounded by desert, thus the sand was already made for him.
    Last edited by ninjabot; April 11, 2012 at 06:22 PM.

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