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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Current version of Madara. Immortality and all. Kabuto makes his play to take out Tobi! Can he succeed?
Conditions: Madara no longer cares about playing around and is going for the kill, though Kabuto isn't controlling his actions. Can use everything he's shown (but Kabuto will die from the meteor even if he liquifies, so he likely wouldn't use it). Kabuto can use everything he has shown aswell. Tobi can use everything he's shown except he has no Edorikki along with. Sasuke gets all of his EMS abilities and is the currently shown version. Kabuto has the knowledge he did in the manga about Sasuke and his body, but knows nothing of Tobi's abilities' weaknesses (time limit, etc).
Fight takes place where Nagato fought Bee, Naruto, and Itachi (part forest, part beach).
Lets wait a bit for a couple of more chapters (IMO)
Madara and Kabuto wins with little effort. Sasuke has been shown to be pathetic aginst any jutsu Kabuto uses, making this battle a two one one.... Tobi can run forever.
Last edited by Prince Sasuke; April 16, 2012 at 11:27 AM.
Kabuto would use the same jutsu that Sasuke used to escaped Anatersau... Kabuto have shown tow jutsu in this battle and was saved by itachi from both. Sasuke may not be fighting to kill, but he hasn't shown anything that can kill Kabuto. Face it, Kishi made it look like Sasuke would definitely killed or captured without big brother there to save his ass.
Hell Sasuke even had time to run around...
Is NOT this:
Close to instantly engulfed in flames. Like all around Danzou. Sasuke/Kabuto would have no way of getting out of that.
Now and again you don't know what would have happened. Sasuke was obviously holding back as he made a deal with Itachi. He never once tryied to Amaterasu Kabuto when he used that in all his fights....Keep in mind that aparently his most powerfull new weapon with Susano is Amaterasu usage (spear and flametrower) and in this fight he can't use those. Kishi gave Kabuto Amaterasu immunity in the form of them not allowed to use it but never anything that would actualy countering it. Hell Kabuto could do something to stun Sasuke belive he won and then pull another Danzou on him by summoning Susano even under those circumstances, it happened before in the manga. We have no idea what that snake move would have done(when Itachi saved him from the flashbang).
Last edited by xXan; April 16, 2012 at 02:49 PM.
While I believe that, in normal conditions, Madara would solo this with ease... We forget that, unless one has 6 billions paper bombs or Space/time abilities even someone like Madara wouldn't be able to defeat Tobi.
Can Madara supply 10+ minutes of continuous explosions? Does Kabuto have an answer to Tobi's phasing ability?
So even alone ( since Kabuto showed to be able to off Sasuke, and Madara is a completely different level ) Tobi wins this imho
Madara and Kabuto take this.
Tobi is the weakest link here, absolutely useless against Madara, who in turn can shed some light on how to stop Tobi's S/T (isn't really suprising since Madara seems to be aware of who Tobi is). Everything Sasuke can do, Madara has already had with his EMS. Also, if Hashirama could stop a fully powered EMS Madara, a Rinnegan Madara with the same abilities of Hashi would absolutely destroy Sasuke. Not only that, he's also an immortal. Kabuto is pretty formidable himself, no way he's going down that ea-
oh god theres a radioactive troll around my desk...must...not...get...bitten...
madara summons a meteorite to crush sasuke and tobi
jiraya was space surfing on it
he jumps from it and lands like a boss
uses his hair (are the best) to stop the meteorite above his head
then he cuts it into 4 pieces
those pieces get hairy rasengan powered
he launches them at the 4 guys
they get destroyed
Last edited by IChallengeYou!; April 16, 2012 at 04:17 PM.
Problem with Madara is that he is arogant and also we have no idea if he knows about Tobi's ST jutsu. So he could leave his guard down and the next second he could find himself in Tobi's dimension. I am going to w8 and see how Madara vs Kage and Tobi vs Naruto and co ends before voting here but it could go both ways. Tobi could also warp Kabuto away and making this a 2vs1 fight as Kabuto has no idea about Tobi's abilities (OP). Tobi also has his GM statue.
This is going to depend on what abilities Madara and Tobi are going to show with there Rinnegans.
Well... imho Tobi is a Mokuton Clone sprout from Madara's body... so all Madara has to do is a hand seal and say "release" and Tobi is gone
"Problem with Madara is that he is arogant and also we have no idea if he knows about Tobi's ST jutsu"
I'm sorry, did I read this correctly? Madara is arrogant and he doesn't know about Tobi's ST jutsu? He has far more chances than anyone in the manga to actually come up with a solid counter against it, considering Tobi is actually related to Madara. As for arrogance, it's not really that, more like he's dead already and doesn't give a squat about what happens on the battlefield. The definition of arrogance would go to one and only - Pain. Now THAT is arrogance. I will also assure you that Madara has far more access to Rinnegan jutsus than Tobi, if it would've been otherwise, Tobi would stomp Naruto.
Probably not sure, i think you are the only one who can answer that :PQuote:
We have no idea about the level of "related" to Tobi. We also have no idea how much Madara knows about Tobi and when Tobi got his ST powers, where they before or after Madara died?Quote:
Also why would Madara be the best? He showed no real tactical mind or tactics. He is just arrogantly using raw power to overcome the Kages, hell most of it its not even his (well now it is i gues but you get what i wanted to state) but Hahirama's :P
Also from all he has showed up to know he has nothing to get trough Tobi's intangibility. Tobi showed way better tactical planing and fighting (at least that is my oppinion).
Nop. He knew that Tobi would bring him back. He needs to win this as that would asure his plan (whatever that is). Now if Tobi dies and he losses the war he is not coming back. He would also love to kill Tsunade as he himself stated but he arrogantly underestimated her time and time again. If Madara is not arrogant i don't know what arrogant is. He even asked if his clones should use Susano or not lol (yes bad translation there but i think that is what he stated).Quote:
Well yeah that guy to but so is Madara. He belive the curent peeps he is fighting are nothing before how he and Hashirama where. I would put Madara on Nagato's level of arrogance easy, if not above.Quote:
That is defenetly a possibility but as of know we really don't know that. Naruto is also not alone there. I would put Naruto+Bee+Gai+Kakashi vs the Hokages any day and they would beat the shit out of them. Naruto's team would absolutly own them.Quote:
Even the OP stated that they can use everything they shown. We need to w8 and see how it turns up but of course as i said what you stated there could come true but as of know we can only asume. I am going to w8 for those 2 fights (Madara vs and Tobi vs) to decide on this. Madara can't even use his meteor here or he kills Kabuto and makes himself into ashes that Tobi would seal easy. Tobi can avoid that easy. Also Tobi has the GM statue, don't forget it. The GM statue has 7 bijus of power in it.
Basically, Tobi is capable of winning this fight via keeping he and Sasuke alive. But the easiest way to do that is to take out Madara first. Sasuke sprays the battlefield in a hail of Enton, forcing Kabuto to back away (he's proven Enton isn't one of those attacks he's prepared to defend against). Madara would need to be attacked while Susanoo isn't up, and the only way to do that is to lure him into spamming Mokuton. The instant he starts one, Sasuke flies up high as Tobi seeps into the ground and goes underneath Madara before grabbing his foot and warping him into his alternate dimension.
Maybe he notices first, and sprouts Mokuton to knock Tobi away. Or maybe he activates Susanoo to push him back (since Tobi hasn't shown Hungry Ghost realm's power yet). But if he doesn't notice then Tobi's got him. Kabuto can sense Tobi's approach, but if he's running to stop him he has to dodge more Enton attacks from Sasuke, which would prevent him from getting to his partner in time. Provided he hasn't made 25 clones already...
well , Amaterasu cancelled Kabuto's sage jutsu , So maybe it can cancel Mouktun jutsu's as well ....