Originally Posted by

**chilibun**
@xXan and M3J,

Yea, I was basing most of my arguments from memory so the details are a little off. But the point is that Jiraiya failed to show any signs of having ~~spider~~ sage sense, or at least no where near the level of Kabuto and Naruto. Asura Pain was able to completely sneak up on him, and I can't see how that can happen if he did have sage sense. Its an inconsistency created by Kishi because its a newly introduced power and I can't give Jiraiya new sage abilities every time Kishi introduces them for somebody else. He has to show he can have them first. Sage mode is simply learning how to absorb and use natural energy. All the senjutsus, sage sense, etc. are learned skills. Perhaps Jiraiya simply did not learn sage sense or adapted to it yet, but he failed to show that he has it.