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I think you misunderstood me, i never said they don't have some connection. I said we don't know how much of a connection that is and how much they know about 1 another(curently as Madara was dead for some time). Tobi can't be Madara, some robot clone of him or some shit perhaps, i don't know.
Oh no sir, I didn't misunderstand anyone. I'm following what manga had to offer, and so far a lot of hints have been made that Tobi IS related a lot to Madara. Key points to consider:
1) Tobi knows quite a lot about Madara and his history.
2) Tobi and Madara are actually involved in the "Moon's eye plan" together.
3) Tobi wasn't really happy to see Madara being Edo'd.
Now, what exactly do you have to offer, as a fact and not a poor assumption, that there's a "weak" connection between them? Absolutely none. That's trike one. Until manga says otherwise, you're wrong and you know it.
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I am not hating lol but going Susano and creating a distraction with a clone is defenetly not super tactics. Lots of people in the manga have done that... Naruto more then anybody.
Also i used the word "real" with tactics as obviously doing the above is tactics but on a basic level.
Tobi has never shown any "super" tactics too. When he's going to tactically fool 5 Kages, I'll compare him to Madara. Tobi DOES excel in strategic planning, but not tactics. Different things, and guess what, that's strike two.
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This is irrelevant to what i said. I am not stating his tactics are decresed because he is using Hashirama's power, that was a just a smug remark at Madara for gloting so much when he is actualy using Hashirama's power, you should have addresed this part
What you've said before was irrelevant to begin with. Hence, those points being nothing but a troll. Strike 3?
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The fights are all about counters. Konan had insane intel on Tobi and insane time to prep and insane type of counter. She had a way to make something go boom for some 10 minutes so Tobi can't get away (because he had a hole under him...). Madara defenetly does not have anything in his arsenal to do that (that he showed). He does not even have information on Tobi's ST abilities (he never showed it), we just have some type of connection between the two but on what level and how much they know about one another is a mystery as of now.
Just because Madara can beat those Kages does not mean he has a valid counter to Tobi's intangibility.
Madara could stop:
1) A hit from Raikage
2) A hit from Tsunade appearing at his face.
Tobi won't be hitting Madara any time soon. But, wait, he's not even going through Susano'o to begin with. Tobi has literally nothing against those 2 skills Madara possesses.Until I'll see Tobi destroying Susan'o, your point is completely moot. You cannot assume that GM statue will do the trick too, otherwise I'll start assuming that Tobi and the GM won't even come close against Madara's Susano'o platoon.
As far as "just because madara can beat those kages does not mean he has valid counter" poop, it does not necessary mean that and I've never said it was that case to begin with. Tobi has never fought 5 Kages at the same time, while Madara does, which is a much better accomplishment. That's the point. Tobi simply does not have the same power, and I'm pretty sure if you would follow the manga even with slightest attention to detail you'd notice him saying that. Strike...FOUR.
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First we have Tobi stating he gave the eyes to Nagato and how he was supposed to revive him. Then we have Madara popping back and stating how Nagato was supposed to revive him. Tobi was behind Nagato completly so it would make more then enough sense. Yes it is an asumtion but it makes sense. How could Nagato bring back Madara if Tobi never gave the eyes to Nagato? Its all connected expecialy considering Tobi and Madara where working togeder and had a plan.
Revive who? That's the point, he never said who, you're just assuming that it's Madara when Tobi said "that technique was supposed to be left for me". So, in a sense, what you're doing right now without even realizing, you actually agree that Tobi's connection with Madara IS fairly big since Tobi wanted to revive him (assuming your assumption was correct). S-S-S-S-S-S-TRIKE FIVE.
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He needs to win as he has a vast interest in the war as Tobi is running it and Kabuto is working for him.
He himself states here its THERE PLAN:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/560/2
Of course he would have a good reason to fight, he even states there plan is not going right. Then Kabuto states here that he is Tobi's assistent. He knows he has Tobi on his side, he knows that Kabuto works, in a sense for him even IF Kabuto is the one to bring him back.
What? You will show me a link to a page where Madara states that he NEEDS to win this fight. All Madara said before was that the plan was not going as well as it should've been. THAT'S IT. You still don't realize that even if Madara would want to win, unless it's in Kabuto's interest, it won't happen. The way Madara interacts with the Kages so far goes against every assessment you have made in that poor little quote.
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He never killed her. He made a wound in her. He underestimate her healing ability and the fact that he is a women. That is arrogance. Madara is epic on arrogance. What if i state that Sasuke killed Itachi with Kirin would be correct? So he has Susano that Sasuke had no idea about and saved him, same thing here. Yes he is beating them but that is not relevant to the fact that he is or not arrogant.
He THOUGHT he did. Hence saying, "well now, other Kages are screwed as well", after warning Tsuande that if she dies, all of them are goners. He didn't realize that Tsuande had the same skill as Hashirama until she used it. How exactly are you proving yourself right here, I have no idea. How stupid you must be as well, to believe that Madara thinks Tsunade sucks just because she's a woman too. He hates the fact that she's weak, a woman, and most importantly, a SENJU. Please follow the manga a bit more carefully, than spilling your nonsense out.
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Does not matter. If i state i am way above you in a fight and you are nothing to me and i can beat you to a pulp its still arrogance.
The definition of arrogance:
offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.
Is Madara displaying superiority in a offensive matter and generaly a superiority complex? Most defenetly lol. Is he displaying self-importance? Obviously. Is he showing overbaring pride on his abilities? Come on lol.
Does not matter? He's being right, and that's the point. It doesn't matter if he sounds arrogant, he's still better. How complex is it for you to understand? Tobi has been rather arrogant himself, and yet he sucked, which was my point to begin with.
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Tobi is limited as of now as we don't know what he can do with his rinnegan. The meteor was a rinnegan tech for Madara to. He used rinnegan in conjunction with Susano to pull it. That is why i stated we need to w8 and see what Tobi can do to, its only fair as Madara already got to show us some impresive techs. What else is there to say? W8 to see what both dudes can do, its only fair.
As of now? Tobi won't get a serious powerup through his Rinnegan, trust me. That would not simply make sense. The point is for Tobi to regain his strength, he needs to complete the plan. By simply gaining Rinnegan back, it would then put Kishi's thought process to a serious question, wether he's sane or not. By those logics, what would be the point of Tobi not killing young Nagato, tearing his eyes out, and plugging them back in to his eye sockets and go own everyone? He would basically become what Madara has become now, but guess what, that doesn't happen for a REASON Tobi has said so many times.
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Madara never displayed that number of clones(for him to use Susano), we also don't know if Madara was refering that all those clones can use Susano at the same time (the number is 25 btw). Then asuming he can do on all of them he would waste a good number of chakra to do it and he can't exacly damage GM statue(or at least i don't belive he can based on what that thing was able to take in the war, its debatebale i gues). Tobi would waste no chakra aside from what he needs to summon that thing, GM statue would do all the fighting.
The meteor would only kill Kabuto, GM statue can be unsommoned and Sasuke would go intangible mode with a little help from Tobi. The meteor would lose this fight for Madara as before he can regenerate back Tobi would sleal him in his dimension (and Tobi does not suck at this).
Considering he could make 5x clones on each Kage without any serious problems, and dropping meteors on their heads, there's literally nothing Madara can't shit out from his immortal arse which won't look legit.
"The meteor would lose this fight for Madara as before he can regenerate back Tobi would sleal him in his dimension (and Tobi does not suck at this)"
Count how many panels it takes Madara to regenerate. Then take into account the facts I've mentioned before, when it comes to Madara's speed. Madara however, can also fool Tobi the same way he did with Tsunade by using a wood clone, and let's count how many panels it took him to strike her down? ONE. The same amount it took Minato to hit Tobi. Until you're going to prove that Tobi has a counter to this, you're going down the drain even further. Tobi won't be suckering Madara that easy.
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). Tobi would waste no chakra aside from what he needs to summon that thing, GM statue would do all the fighting.
The meteor would only kill Kabuto, GM statue can be unsommoned and Sasuke would go intangible mode with a little help from Tobi. The meteor would lose this fight for Madara as before he can regenerate back Tobi would sleal him in his dimension (and Tobi does not suck at this).
What? Here we go, ridiculous assumptions, which describes your logics pretty well so far. Where exactly do you have proof that it costs Tobi no chakra to do that? The meteor itself isn't a slow moving object as well, considering its weight and the fact it took so little panel spaces to actually make an impact, Tobi simply WON'T have enough time to do the things you've mentioned above.
I fail to see how it is going to hold up, against lets say, 45 Susano'os? :| Also, a meteorite for good measure. Yeah, it will kill Kabuto AND Sasuke AND GM Statue, Madara will then regenerate, who then can only be sealed, and guess what, Tobi kinda sucks at it.
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