Dragon Ball Similarities

[narutotheory]

Well everyone says that Naruto is heavily influenced by Dragon Ball. And us DB fans don't mind it too much. I don't at least.
I am going to point out some similarities that may have gone unnoticed.
Note: I am not trying to troll Kishimoto or Naruto, I'm just pointing it out so all the DB fans can see the resemblance.


1. Naruto/Goku's Love For Food.
This is a small comparison I just thought it was worth mentioning.

2. Jiraiya/Master Roshi Similarity.
Jiraiya trained Naruto as his Sensei, Master Roshi trained Goku as his sensei. Jiraiya gave Naruto the Rasengan, Roshi gave Goku the Kamehameha. Both of them are also funny perv's. Both have been shown pipe-smoking. Jiraiya is a master of toads, Roshi, a master of hermits.

3. Orochimaru/Crane Hermit Similarity.
Jiraiya lost his rival, Orochimaru, to power and darkness. Master Roshi stated that he lost his rival, Crane Hermit, to power in the fight against king Piccolo. Both comrades taken by darkness.

4. Sage Mode Eyes/ SSJ4 Eyes.
This is a small similarity that is easily over looked.

5. Lightning Release Armor/SSJ Aura.
Again, this is a very simple one. But this one is way more obvious.

6. Judgement Similarities.
Now this one is very interesting. (Regarding one of Pain's paths) The Naraka path's ability was to summon a demon (the king of hell), Yama, and Yama would decide to judge you by pulling your tongue. Whether or not you pass Judgement affects the outcome of your life. Now in DB King Yama is a character called the "Judge of the Dead" after a character passes away.

7. Flying Thunder God/Instant Transmission Similarity.
Well these aren't the exact same thing, but the idea is similar.

8. Bulma/Sakura Similarity.
Very, very similar. Both start out completely useless and self-centered but they both mature.

9. Vegeta/Sasuke Reverse Similarity.
Well they are similar, just reversed. Vegeta turned good, from evil. And Sasuke turned evil, from good. But the similar part is that they both love revenge. Sasuke's clan was wiped out among the Uchiha Massacre and Vegeta's family was wiped out among the destruction of Plant Vegeta.

10. Destructo Disc/Wind Style: Rasenshuriken.
This one isn't about power or looks necessarily. Its about the stance.

11. Kishimoto's Actual Reference
Well Kishi has stated that he was a big fan of DB. He even drew a mask of Chiaotzu in a rack of masks Naruto was trying on. Krillin's mask is also in the right of the picture. This was a comic in his manga.

So these are the best similarities i can think of. Credit also goes to Naiteki Kensei Forums and Naruto Realm.

DB and Naruto are among my top 5 favorite manga and I deeply enjoy both.
The fact that Naruto is similar to DB shouldn't be a bad thing, a LOT of Shonen Jump manga writers are influenced by DB (i mean who wouldn't?).
So I hope you enjoyed the thread,

Thanks for reading.

[hyper_megaman]

naruto was a mischievous brat who turned into a hero. his uzumaki clan was wiped out from destruction of the eddy village.

he turnsn out to be born more gifted physically than the other main character, with high levels of power without much training.

if anything, naruto's the vegeta here.

[Skidmore]

The interesting point, is that Vegeta started as a bad guy and turned into a good one, Sasuke followed the opposite way.

But yes, there is some similiarity.

1st Master
Rasengan taught by Jiraiya = Kamehameha taught by Roshi

2nd Master
Sage Mode taught by Fukasaku = KaioKen taught by Kaio-Sama
Rasenshuriken = Genki Dama

Naruto mastered Kyuubi Mode by himself = Goku mastered Super Saiyan by himself

[Skidmore]

naruto was a mischievous brat who turned into a hero. his uzumaki clan was wiped out from destruction of the eddy village.

he turnsn out to be born more gifted physically than the other main character, with high levels of power without much training.

if anything, naruto's the vegeta here.

Vegeta was the last of his own, and though that he was the greatest because of his heritage, the genius of fighting, and found himself to be inferior to a Low-Class.

This was the same with Sasuke in the Valley of the End Fight.

[hyper_megaman]

Not to be a wet blanket, but:

seriously that is so true

i was very disappointed with the itachi nagato thing. was expecting naruto to take charge

dragonball is about a guy with skill and technique to overcome brute force weaknesses

one piece is about a guy with willpower and hard work overcoming established powers physically superior to him

naruto is about a guy with too much power, wasting it all doing random crap and being worthless in situations where brute force doesn't help

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something more:

a one-off does not a character trait make

winning pain was just from pure stamina and luck and the fact that he had the demon fox

winning raikage was just a 1 off so far

note how his 'strategy achievements' are so few and far in between?

a genin is a ninja that's graduated with basic skills but are still unable to function on their own and require someone to lead them

a chuunin is someone that's already independent for the most part, and can function on his own, but still can't lead others

a jyonin is a ninja that's so well established and so good at thinking he not only can think for himself independently, he can also make decisions for others, thus they're given groups of genins to lead

a kage has to make decisions day in/out to lead entire villages

naruto is genin at best. his brute force allows him to be independent (frickin hard to be killed when u have the stamina of an uzumaki and a demon fox within you), so he might be considered 'independent', but he sure as hell isn't ready to take up any sort of mantle of leadership


i really dunno where kishi is trying to go with naruto. post-jiraiya-training was disappointing enough, naruto keeps showing how lacking he is time and again... and somehow everyone in there just sucks up to him and admires him

---> reminds me of how superman is in dc. annoyingly revered just because he's the titular character/company mascot




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let's apply this to an analogy of how many people a marksman can kill

people are given different numbers of bullets(stamina equivalent). the average genin has an average magazine with 6 rounds. his accuracy rate is around 50%, so he hits 3. genins can't function on their own like that, they'd be wasting bullets

the average chuunin has an average magazine with 8, and hits with an accuracy of 75%, so he hits 6. pretty decent.

the aveage jonin has around 10, with an accuracy rate of 80%, so he hits 8 shots.
each jonin is given 3x6 rounds from 3x genin, so he helps them line their shots, giving their 18 rounds an accuracy rate of around 14 instead of the 9 they would have hit by themselves


the average kage has around 12 rounds, with an accuracy rate of 85%, so he hits at least 10 shots
kages maintain their accuracy rate while they help coordinate jonins with genins, and train some jonins by helping them line their shots for greater accuracy.

naruto has a frickin minigun with 500 rounds. his accuracy rate is at best 0.2%. once in a while he manages to hit 10 people with his entire clip
does that make him a kage equivalent in marksmanship kills? at best yes. but consistently? hmm
can he lead genins in combat, line up their shots? NO. .2% accuracy on 6 rounds per clip = no hits at all.
can he coordinate jonins, and help them line their shots? hell no
just because he can hit 10 targets, like the average kage, is he as good a marksman as they are? hell no.

i don't see what kishi is doing

dragonball was about a guy with the guts and determination and the consistency. u're talking a bout someone maybe with an accuracy rate of 80% with a clip of 6 constantly trying to fight guys with accuracy rates of 60% with clips of maybe 10 rounds.
one piece is especially so. that's the underdog of the story that u're rooting for, seeing him surpass the idiots who don't deserve their power


naruto? the titular character IS the idiot who doesn't deserve his power

now that sasuke is intent on fighting naruto, don't you think sasuke's more like goku now, and naruto's more like manjinbuu?


naruto learnt basic chakra control and just happened to have legendary stamina genes and a demon fox sealed within him as a baby

[Jessie]

You forgot one.

Later in DBZ, Goku's friends became more irrelevant and were badly outclassed by him and Vegeta in power. Early in DBZ, characters like Tien and Piccolo were capable fighters and could challenge Goku. Then they became small fries as the power scale went crazy and Goku kept getting endless power-ups.

Later in Naruto, his friends became more irrelevant and were badly outclassed by him and Sasuke in power. Early in Naruto, characters like Rock Lee and Neji were capable fighters and could challenge Naruto. Then they became small fries as the power scale went crazy and Naruto kept getting endless power-ups.

[Airgrimes]

Vegeta was the last of his own, and though that he was the greatest because of his heritage, the genius of fighting, and found himself to be inferior to a Low-Class.

This was the same with Sasuke in the Valley of the End Fight.

However Vegeta gave in to fan-girl bulma. (Never saw that coming). Sasuke will likely never give in to Sakura's annoyingness.

And the most vital thing is that Vegeta helped the good side. Sasuke shows no signs of being a good guy right now.

[ninjabot]

I wanna point out that Dragonball Z didn't invent the shounen character archetype of "bitter rival". It's been around for years prior. But I will point out that in every single shounen I've ever enjoyed, I've always loved the rival character and, more often than not, despised the main character. In DBZ Vegeta was my favorite character. In Bleach, Byakuya was the closest thing to a rival for the SS arc. In Yuyu Hakusho it was Hiei. In S.Cry.Ed it was Ryuho. In Naruto it's Sasuke.

Though rivals are protected by plot so that they can stay around to push the main character to new plateus of strength, they usually have much tougher fights than the main character, and their victories are less plot controlled (since unlike the main character they don't have to win all the time). In this regard aswell, Sasuke is identical to Vegeta. He's arrogant, from a prestigious bloodline (which he is the last of), and prides power (power to gain vengeance mind you) over everything. Also has a vapid dumbass who falls in love with him despite him being a total dick.

So yeah. The coolest character in Naruto is identical to the coolest character in DBZ.

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Oh! One more similarity between the two: they both changed outfits every time we see them, and also have cooler outfits than their surrounding allies/enemies.

[Eprst]

I read DB a little bit but also mentioned some similarities, thank you now I know what to expect, one more similarity I can add in childhood Goku looked like monkey, and Naruto like a cat or pig lick, correct me if I am wrong

[Delbi]

Vegeta and Sasuke are completely very different in a number of ways.

Sasuke's motivation for everything is for revenge, he wants to avenge his family.

While Vegata served Freiza is ultimate goal wasn't revenge, it was power.

And whereas Sasuke has become controlled and lost his marbles, becoming irrational and controlled by revenge, Vegeta was the opposite. Vegeta was always thinking, he was incredibly intelligent and never let things get out of control he when Babbadi (sp0 controlled him, Vegeta's sheer will was too much. He said something along the lines of (you may take my body, my mind, my spirit, but you'll never take my pride!) Vegeta was much more prideful than Sasuke although it is something they both have in common.

Sure they have similarities, but that is only because they are both antagonistic characters and villains at different points.

[Skidmore]

I wanna point out that Dragonball Z didn't invent the shounen character archetype of "bitter rival". It's been around for years prior. But I will point out that in every single shounen I've ever enjoyed, I've always loved the rival character and, more often than not, despised the main character. In DBZ Vegeta was my favorite character. In Bleach, Byakuya was the closest thing to a rival for the SS arc. In Yuyu Hakusho it was Hiei. In S.Cry.Ed it was Ryuho. In Naruto it's Sasuke.

Though rivals are protected by plot so that they can stay around to push the main character to new plateus of strength, they usually have much tougher fights than the main character, and their victories are less plot controlled (since unlike the main character they don't have to win all the time). In this regard aswell, Sasuke is identical to Vegeta. He's arrogant, from a prestigious bloodline (which he is the last of), and prides power (power to gain vengeance mind you) over everything. Also has a vapid dumbass who falls in love with him despite him being a total dick.

So yeah. The coolest character in Naruto is identical to the coolest character in DBZ.

The huge difference is between Naruto and Goku.... Naruto is selfish and Goku selfless... Everybody was expecting Sasuke to save the day, and Naruto was always wanting to surpass him, while in DBZ Vegeta was always a step behind Goku. Goku never saw Vegeta as a rival, Naruto always saw Sasuke as a rival.

Naruto was never able to do THIS with Sasuke.

[Chojin]

Pretty much the same. The author was influenced from Dragonball was he not? So what kind of genius topic is this in a Shounen forum where all antagonists are the same?

[Gats]

Vegeta/Sasuke Reverse Similarity.
Well they are similar, just reversed. Vegeta turned good, from evil. And Sasuke turned evil, from good. But the similar part is that they both love revenge. Sasuke's clan was wiped out among the Uchiha Massacre and Vegeta's family was wiped out among the destruction of Planet Vegeta.

Moderator message by: Gats

Since you made a thread about Dragon ball and Naruto in general, the threads are merged.

[mattiaildivino]

thanks for the thread,it was needed,although some of your points are a bit forced (such as BULMA/sakura comparison or Oro-CRANE HERMIT,who wasn't really wrapped in darkness). btw,I'd suggest you add the 4 tails Roshi to MUTENROSHI. Kishi himself stated that,in fact his biju is the 4 tails (as the Dragon Ball 4,SAN SUU KYI),and he resembles and OOZARU .

[gnut]

goku,piccolo,gohan,goten,krillin,vegeta,trunks,tien,chiaotzu,yamcha,bulma(DBZ's tenten...lol)=your 11 Zfighters
naruto,sakura,shika,choji,ino,shino,kiba,hinata,neji,lee,tenten(NARUTO"s gadgetgirl...lol)=konoha 11

also,in DBZ...collect all the dragonballs...call the dragon.
in naruto...collect all the bijuu...summon the jyubi.

there is alot of beyond the dead stuff to...the ressurrections and contact with the living.like goku talking through king kai and naruto/kakashi talking to their parents.
good thread...because now that it is made...everyone will be looking for it a lot more.