If Itachi was the Godaime Hokage....

[syx]

The topic in question is about Itachi becoming Hokage instead of killing off his clan. At that time he was 13 years old. My original statement was to mention that Itachi wasn't the strongest in Konoha during this time there for he wouldn't be qualified to become Hokage. You disagreed with my assessment & went on a fanboy rant.

But Itachi already showcased to be qualified to become Hokage. Orochimarus statement (who was a candidate for the 4th Hokage position too) is prove enough.

You do realize that Itachi's genjutsu paralyzed Orochimaru right? Stop fanning & stick to the facts.

I don't know what your problem with Genjutsu is. Yeah Itachi paralyzed him. Orochimaru wanted to break it, but failed because Itachi cut Orochimarus hand off.
He could have tortured him for 10 years if he wanted without relying on MS.

Which means what or changes what exactly?

That means the kid without MS is on the same league like Kakashi. You said that Itachi without MS wouldn't be strong enough for the Hokage position and that Kakashi was stronger than him.

Stop being an idiot for a second will you. If Itachi was offered the position of Hokage in an effort to calm down the Uchiha he wouldn't have been sent on a mission to kill Shisui in the first place. Meaning he never would have gotten MS. Get it yet or do I need to draw you a picture?

Nobody is denying that. But the argument he wouldn't be strong enough for this position without MS is wrong.

[juUnior]

Wow fanboys are rampant. News flash he did it with genjutsu.

And what about that? Genjutsu is part of his arsenal.

He hasn't landed a single hit on Naruto or B.

No, he landed 'a single hit' on Bee: genjutsu he put him in. Of course its Bee we're talking about so he wasn't affected in the end, but still.. he had been hit.

[kkck]

I very much doubt the village would have been to eager to have a 13 year old uchiha as hokage. Even if there weren´t viable candidates such a thing would have set a bad precedent IMO. If itachi had been made hokage to apeace the uchiha then that would have meant that the uchiha could simply plan to revolt every time the kage was not one of their own. More so, the uchiha were the main suspects of the kyubi attack years earlier meaning they were believed to be directly responsible for the death of the previous hokage, the previous jinchuiriki (and konoha´s weapon for war) and the death of several nameless konoha shinobi. They obviously were not responsible for any of that, specially itachi, however since most of the suspicion fell on them it really made no sense for an uchiha to be appointed hokage.

More so, I would think there would have been other more viable candidates at the time. Even if not at sannin level yet kakashi had a respectable 20 years by then, he would have been a far better and more reasonable choice by then IMO. Heck, he had a sharingan which as far as the village is concerned would have made him the ideal guy to stop the uchiha should something happen. Tsunade and jiraiya were also still around back then, even if not in the village. Either of them would have been a far better choice under any circumstances than a 13 year old.

[Lunatic Scream]

Actually he didn't. Itachi showed that he was the best of the Uchiha not that he was the best in Konoha. Big difference here.


OMFG how is it hard to understand? Genjutsu wouldn't work on Kakashi there for using Itachi's win against Orochimaru as a basis for defeating Kakashi is irrelevant since that same tactic wouldn't work. Are you really that stupid or are you trying to be annoying?

Doesn't that make him more qualified to be Hokage than Kakashi? Even if you want to argue that Itachi couldn't defeat Kakashi at that point, he could defeat the shinobi Konoha feared most (Orochimaru), something Kakashi certainly couldn't do. Fact is, if 13 year old Itachi only couldn't defeat a superior Sharingan user with his genjutsu, and at that point in time the only one around was Kakashi (which he'd soon surpass anyway), he'd probably be better suited to protecting the village as Hokage.

Basically, Sharingan Genjutsu is just that overpowered, and unless he's facing a Sharingan, even someone like Orochimaru is powerless against him.

You're basically arguing that Kakashi is better suited to be Hokage at the time because he could possibly defeat Itachi, even if he can't defeat more substantial threats to the village.

As for Guy? Eh. He SAID he had developed a way to fight a Sharingan user, but he was just talking about Kakashi, who really has no substantial ability with Genjutsu. Lack of information makes that a moot point.

[syx]

Actually he didn't. Itachi showed that he was the best of the Uchiha not that he was the best in Konoha. Big difference here.

Nobody claimed that Itachi was the strongest in Konoha. Where did you get that from? I only mentioned that he was qualified enough to get the title of Hokage, not that he would have been the best choice.
Would he be the strongest Kage? Hell no. Would he be the strongest Hokage? Definitely not.

OMFG how is it hard to understand? Genjutsu wouldn't work on Kakashi there for using Itachi's win against Orochimaru as a basis for defeating Kakashi is irrelevant since that same tactic wouldn't work. Are you really that stupid or are you trying to be annoying?

I already said that (in my opinion) Itachi without MS is on the same level (with or without Genjutsu) as Kakashi in Part 1. I am saying that because Itachi had the edge in their fight in Part 1 without using MS or Genjutsu.
Furthermore Kakashi (who only knew what the 13 year old kid Itachi is capable of) told that he didn't show his full power yet. Isn't that prove enough that Anbu Itachi was equal in strength with Kakashi? I am not saying he would stomp or beat Kakashi. Only that they were equal in power.

Actually kid Itachi is not in the same league as an adult Kakashi or Guy.

How so when both Kakashi & Guy would have been able to kick his ass in a fight at the time?

Our opinions differ. I can live with that, but it seems you have problem respecting other opinions, so you have to be insulting and call them fanboys, stupid or whatever.

[lordHokage]

Itachi is definitely Hokage material but that will happen if Naruto somehow convince the council members that he has Konoha's best interest at heart.

[pantelis2006]

Itachi udoubtedly had the potential to be Hokage. The thing is, for this powerful position you have to be approved by the elder lords. There are many factors...Age, lineage, strength, experience, leadership skills and maybe more. I think that, regarding the relationship between the Uchihas and the rest of the village, Itachi could not be favored. Additionally, he was too young. IMO Itachi was perfect for being ANBU leader and double agent.

I can't understand you people considering Itachi without MS. It's Itachi, he HAD MS and that puts him among the five top ninja of the manga. This is the reason he was famous...for butchering his clan and his MS. This point makes no sense.

[Xiraiya]

I think one of the problems with this discussion is some of us forgot Itachi was only 13 at the time due to the fact the guy never looked younger than 16-18.

Itachi at the beginning of the series to present day would have been more than ideal as a Hokage candidate, but during the massacre days I guess he probably wouldn't have been ready yet.

[Diablos]

In my opinion he was hokage material already not only in skills but psycologically too he is the only Uchiha with the true will of fire after all he would go to hell for the village and come back, but, even if apointed I doubt he would be the way things were, especially seeing these last chapters where Itachi says Shishui taught him that a true ninja is the one that acts in the shadows. I also believe he is more of that kind of ninja. But be not mistaken that if it came to that he would do it, he has that much love for peace and the village, kinda like kakashi he also show's no interest in it but if it was the only option of course he was going to step in.

[Rosebunse]

Sure, he was very strong, but he was about 13! Were any of you mature enough to take care of your pets or siblings, let alone a country, at 13? If he had still been in the village when he was 20, then yes, I think he would have done a great job, but part of the tragedy of Itachi is that his life was more or less cut-short because of the decisions made by a group of old people who had already lived their lives.

I think in arguments about Itachi, this is where many people get hung up whether they are aware of it or not. He could have been great, but he died when he was 21, an age when most of us are really just starting our real lives.

Come to think of it, as a pacifist, wouldn't Itachi probably have stopped being a ninja sooner or later. The only reason he was a ninja at all seemed to be to please his family. Given time, if the events of the Uchiha massacre hadn't come to pass, I really think he would have retired early and lived as some kind of monk or something.

[young simba]

Itachi could have been named a successor which is not too farfetched. But the main reason why he wasn't hokage was because it would make to much sense, and none if the issues we have now would have happened. So itachi being hokage equals no manga

[Diablos]

Sure, he was very strong, but he was about 13! Were any of you mature enough to take care of your pets or siblings, let alone a country, at 13? If he had still been in the village when he was 20, then yes, I think he would have done a great job, but part of the tragedy of Itachi is that his life was more or less cut-short because of the decisions made by a group of old people who had already lived their lives.

I think in arguments about Itachi, this is where many people get hung up whether they are aware of it or not. He could have been great, but he died when he was 21, an age when most of us are really just starting our real lives.

Come to think of it, as a pacifist, wouldn't Itachi probably have stopped being a ninja sooner or later. The only reason he was a ninja at all seemed to be to please his family. Given time, if the events of the Uchiha massacre hadn't come to pass, I really think he would have retired early and lived as some kind of monk or something.

Well you could say he was too young, but he wouldnt be the first young hokage you had mizukage that was really young too. Also he might have been 13 but in terms of maturity he was way beyond that..

Hmm I gotta disagree with your last part, he was indeed a pacifist but I highly doubt he would go stop being a ninja and stop protecting his village or his loved ones ( in case of no massacre ) ... in fact those were the reasons he lived and died for... Sasuke and the village..

[Rosebunse]

Well you could say he was too young, but he wouldnt be the first young hokage you had mizukage that was really young too. Also he might have been 13 but in terms of maturity he was way beyond that..

Hmm I gotta disagree with your last part, he was indeed a pacifist but I highly doubt he would go stop being a ninja and stop protecting his village or his loved ones ( in case of no massacre ) ... in fact those were the reasons he lived and died for... Sasuke and the village..

Yeah, Itachi was mature, very mature. And while the decision to kill side against the Uchiha was really one of those impossible choices, I don't think the rest of his plan was that well thought out. Yeah, all plans have kinks and hindsight is always 20/20, but I can't help but think that maybe he took the whole thing too far. He's had too far high of an opinion on Sasuke's level of mental health. While he predicted correctly that Tobi would try to brainwash him, he didn't take into consideration that maybe, after years of torture, abuse, that Sasuke would be in no way able to handle the news that more or less his own history, identity itself, was a lie. Well, he did take that into consideration, but that consideration came in the form of brainwashing. I digress, but the point is that Itachi is so mature for his age that he is controlling because he thinks that he knows best.

[Zehahaha]

Sure, he was very strong, but he was about 13! Were any of you mature enough to take care of your pets or siblings, let alone a country, at 13? If he had still been in the village when he was 20, then yes, I think he would have done a great job, but part of the tragedy of Itachi is that his life was more or less cut-short because of the decisions made by a group of old people who had already lived their lives.

I think in arguments about Itachi, this is where many people get hung up whether they are aware of it or not. He could have been great, but he died when he was 21, an age when most of us are really just starting our real lives.

Come to think of it, as a pacifist, wouldn't Itachi probably have stopped being a ninja sooner or later. The only reason he was a ninja at all seemed to be to please his family. Given time, if the events of the Uchiha massacre hadn't come to pass, I really think he would have retired early and lived as some kind of monk or something.

You guys are dealing with the whole story of age in the wrong way. You realize that Itachi at the age of 4 saw war. You realize that kids are trained to be killing machines doing all kind of dirty jobs, especially someone who works at the ANBU. Say whatever you want to say, but at his age, Itachi was more mature than any other ninja I've ever seen. This is the Naruto world, this is a world where a 13 year old kid is already doing risky jobs, maybe assassinations...

Itachi is Hokage material. Shisui is Hokage material. But let's face it, the elders and Danzo were just too suspicious of the Uchiha, which I'll remained where the one that founded Konoha along with the Senju. Funny how Konoha have 3 Hokages that were from the Senju clan, and none from the Uchiha.

[jdw]

How is that funny? Let's examine the three. When it came to the 1st Hokage, Madara lost outright by selection but he had his shot. It is possible that he could have been the 2nd had he not traitorously abandoned Konoha. I am not sure of the selection of the actual 2nd, not many details, but when it comes to Tsunade, there were no suitable Uchiha to turn to. Sasuke was too young and not well-equipped for Hokage and Itachi was a missing-nin. The village wanted Jiraiya (over Tsunade, a Senju) and there is no evidence that Jiraiya is of Senju lineage. Sandaime wanted Oro (over Tsunade, a Senju) and there is no evidence that Oro is of Senju lineage.

It seems to me that there was no promise that Hokage would be shared amongst the clans. It seems the best person for the job will be asked to do the duty. I have not seen a Nara, Hyuuga, Akamishi, or those guys as Hokage either, but they still manage to not plan treason.