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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by shafagh View Post
    I think you misunderstand the situation , Naruto even hasn't dare to asking anything about Nagato's past and Uchiha massacre from those elder and we know he was already a so called " hero " , so those elder couldn't do anything to him .......

    that why story need someone like Sasuke and Itachi to killing bad guys from konoha !!! ( Danzo , Orochimaru , Kabuto , Danzo's royal ninja and .... ) >>

    in the end , Naruto should fight with an alone person that having nothing but his only personal power ( if we ignore Talk no jutsu and love no jutsu , fighting with an person who having nothing is easier than fighting with an organization like Root ) ....

    so the main task will be accomplish by Sasuke and Itachi .... and if Sasuke get killed , then cycle of hatred would get breal ( in Kishi's opinion ) , because he has no one ; so he would be forgotten in few month ... just like his clan ... and kishi would come and saying " my dear readers , in the end , the Hero/Savior , break the cycle of hatred and bring peace into his world "

    Kishi making Sasuke an symbol of hatred and Naruto would defeat this symbol .... but if we see things from another view , Naruto/Kishi has no answer for hatred of his world , so kishi want to solve everything by defeating Symbol of hatred ...

    well , IMO hatred isn't bad thing , it is useful some times ....

    well , my English isn't good to talking about philosophy but at least I can say that Kishi philosophy is a childish and unreal philosophy that have no value in world ....
    keep in mind something: once come back to the Leaf,naruto had to worry about sasuke and then he moved to talk to the raikage (I think what he was thinking about most was finding out about his father,rather than about danzo's behaviour towards danzo). then danzo died,naruto shouldn't have ever seen danzo,if I remember right. about the uchihas massacre,he discovered that in volume 49,and he had probably other to worry about too.kakashi might have asked the elders that,but he was about to become hokage and told them about danzo's death and the situation.

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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by shafagh View Post
    I think you misunderstand the situation , Naruto even hasn't dare to asking anything about Nagato's past and Uchiha massacre from those elder and we know he was already a so called " hero " , so those elder couldn't do anything to him ..
    I meant that someone like Danzou wouldn't exist under Naruto as Hokage. He simply wouldn't turn a blind eye to what someone like Danzou was doing because he was getting results for the village and following the ninja system. That is the point. Naruto will change the world.

    Can you image say Shikamaru running Konoha from the shadows and doing terrible things under Rokudaime Naruto? Of course it wouldn't happen because unlike Danzou with Hiruzen, Naruto already converted Shikamaru to his belief system and they are best friends. But even if he did not, Naruto would stop it.

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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    In his defense, I'm pretty sure establishing peace with another village would look pretty good on the resume of anyone who wanted to be Hokage. Wanting Hanzou's help doesn't necessarily mean he was planning something like a coup. And presuming he knew what Nagato did against Hanzou with the Gedo Mazo, that probably would have been enough reason not to risk all of Konoha's potential forces.

    Let's not forget, that while he clearly didn't care whether they died or not, Danzo as far as we know it never raised his hand against either Sarutobi or Tsunade. Also from what we were given with the Uchiha Massacre, it didn't seem like he was so crooked as to not inform Sarutobi of what was going on. And he did attempt to keep Nagato from having any chance at grabbing the Kyuubi. So it's more like Danzo was doing both, working to protect Konoha when it lead towards his own ambitions.
    First, Danzou specifically stated that he was letting the villagers die during the pain invasion to enhance his chances to become hokage. So it wasn't that he didn't care, it was more that dead villagers would be a plus for him. He weighed their lives against his ambition and they lost.

    Danzou didn't inform Tsunade when he sent Sai off on his mission of treason, and also not when he killed the frog that was supposed to summon Naruto back, or that he was in cahoots with the guy who had just killed the Hokage, or that he was planning on assassinating Anko so why, in view of his very consistent self interested and insouciant attitude toward the village and it's leaders, would we assume that he actually went out of his way to warn Sarutobi that he was actively involved in orchestrating a genocide? If somebody told Sarutobi, it would have probably been Itachi, a guy who actually did love the village.

    That's the story with Danzou. Like Sai's sempai said, it's the view in root that Danzou is the man who would one day secure the future of Konoha. His people are wholly invested in making that happen. That's why Danzou has root. He wants to be in charge and nobody has any value to him beyond making that happen.

    Kishi made this crystal clear. Not even in his flashback when he died did he express any love for the village or it's people. Just regret that he didn't rule it and some overblown evaluation of how important root was.

    I honestly don't get this. Danzou demonstrated time and time again, going back to his flashback, that he was just a coward with a god complex. Even at the end when he was about to be killed for the final time by Sasuke, it never occurred to him to sacrifice himself for the sake of the village. He was still thinking how he couldn't die because in his mind, his existence is much more important than Konoha.

    And as far as we know it, given his behavior, the Raikage could have been right and Danzou could have been involved with Oro in that plot that killed Sarutobi. Like every time the village was attacked, he was completely absent again when that happened. Konohamaru has spent more time defending the village from attack than Danzou has.
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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    First, Danzou specifically stated that he was letting the villagers die during the pain invasion to enhance his chances to become hokage. So it wasn't that he didn't care, it was more that dead villagers would be a plus for him. He weighed their lives against his ambition and they lost.

    Danzou didn't inform Tsunade when he sent Sai off on his mission of treason, and also not when he killed the frog that was supposed to summon Naruto back, or that he was in cahoots with the guy who had just killed the Hokage, or that he was planning on assassinating Anko so why, in view of his very consistent self interested and insouciant attitude toward the village and it's leaders, would we assume that he actually went out of his way to warn Sarutobi that he was actively involved in orchestrating a genocide? If somebody told Sarutobi, it would have probably been Itachi, a guy who actually did love the village.

    That's the story with Danzou. Like Sai's sempai said, it's the view in root that Danzou is the man who would one day secure the future of Konoha. His people are wholly invested in making that happen. That's why Danzou has root. He wants to be in charge and nobody has any value to him beyond making that happen.

    Kishi made this crystal clear. Not even in his flashback when he died did he express any love for the village or it's people. Just regret that he didn't rule it and some overblown evaluation of how important root was.

    I honestly don't get this. Danzou demonstrated time and time again, going back to his flashback, that he was just a coward with a god complex. Even at the end when he was about to be killed for the final time by Sasuke, it never occurred to him to sacrifice himself for the sake of the village. He was still thinking how he couldn't die because in his mind, his existence is much more important than Konoha.

    And as far as we know it, given his behavior, the Raikage could have been right and Danzou could have been involved with Oro in that plot that killed Sarutobi. Like every time the village was attacked, he was completely absent again when that happened. Konohamaru has spent more time defending the village from attack than Danzou has.
    Danzo's comment to his subornation about Tsunade saving people shows that he was confident that Tsunade would save most of them. Causalities were gonna happen regardless of anyone's actions.

    He didn't inform Tsunade of Sai's mission due to the fact that she was one of the foolish people trying to allow Sasuke to return back to the village. And killing the toad was done because she wouldn't listen to reason. I mean, the Elders gave a reasonable explanation as to why they shouldn't call Naruto back, but Tsunade ignore them and was willing to risk everything all over blind faith. He really didn't have any reason to bring up his past actions with Orochimaru or plans towards Anko given the situation. Anyway, We know he had to have told Sarutobi because Sarutobi was given a time limit in which to appeal and negotiate with the Uchihas.

    I wouldn't say he was a coward with a god complex. In the flashback, he knew what was needed to be done, he just couldn't pull himself to do it as fast as Sarutobi did. It was more Sarutobi being more heroic then him and the others being a coward. And he did attempt to take both Sasuke and Tobi down in the end with the reverse Trigram, along with crushing Shisui's eye just in case. As for being in on Orochimaru's plan, the question then becomes that if he was in on it, why didn't he take advantage of it? Why didn't he use that opportunity to become Hokage? Seems strange he would assist and not gain anything out of it. Plus, if he simply wanted Konpoha destroyed, he could have simply allowed the Uchiha's to go through with their coup years before. While Danzo tends to use underhanded methods, you can't deny that his opinion towards Sasuke and the needed state of the villages aren't quite unreasonable.

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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Danzo's comment to his subornation about Tsunade saving people shows that he was confident that Tsunade would save most of them. Causalities were gonna happen regardless of anyone's actions.

    He didn't inform Tsunade of Sai's mission due to the fact that she was one of the foolish people trying to allow Sasuke to return back to the village. And killing the toad was done because she wouldn't listen to reason. I mean, the Elders gave a reasonable explanation as to why they shouldn't call Naruto back, but Tsunade ignore them and was willing to risk everything all over blind faith. He really didn't have any reason to bring up his past actions with Orochimaru or plans towards Anko given the situation. Anyway, We know he had to have told Sarutobi because Sarutobi was given a time limit in which to appeal and negotiate with the Uchihas.

    I wouldn't say he was a coward with a god complex. In the flashback, he knew what was needed to be done, he just couldn't pull himself to do it as fast as Sarutobi did. It was more Sarutobi being more heroic then him and the others being a coward. And he did attempt to take both Sasuke and Tobi down in the end with the reverse Trigram, along with crushing Shisui's eye just in case. As for being in on Orochimaru's plan, the question then becomes that if he was in on it, why didn't he take advantage of it? Why didn't he use that opportunity to become Hokage? Seems strange he would assist and not gain anything out of it. Plus, if he simply wanted Konpoha destroyed, he could have simply allowed the Uchiha's to go through with their coup years before. While Danzo tends to use underhanded methods, you can't deny that his opinion towards Sasuke and the needed state of the villages aren't quite unreasonable.
    Danzou's comments to his men, denying them a request to go defend the village, meant exactly what Danzou said it meant. Tsunade would be able to save enough people so there would still be a village for him to rule, so let them die to aid in my cause. He gave a specific reason and it wasn't just his respect for Tsunade's skills.

    There was nothing foolish about trying to bring Sasuke back at the time Danzou decided to instead, trade the dossier of all the Konoha Anbu to Oro for a crack at Sasuke. At that point he was still a missing nin but not an international criminal. There is also nothing wrong, in the face of complete annihilation, with calling in every powerful fighter you have. And clearly he not only hid his association with Oro, but was planning to kill good Konoha shinobi to keep it a secret because his behavior was indefensible and treasonous. But most importantly, Danzou wasn't Hokage and he doesn't get to make decisions for the village. And they were always bad self interested decisions. If Naruto hadn't come back, Tsunade would have died.

    Like I said before, Danzou never planned on dieing in the fight with Sasuke. How do I know that? Well, he said so. The seal was set to go off with the advent of his death. Until the very end he was planning on living, which also speaks to his arrogance.

    The flash back showed what sent Danzou off on this parallel quest for power. He couldn't satisfy the requirements for being a will of fire type ninja because unlike all the rookies, he never crossed his own dangerous bridge. He could never actually put the village before himself. He was anguished over his own cowardice, not disappointed that Sarutobi beat him to the punch.

    I wasn't suggesting that he wanted the village destroyed. He wanted to rule it and use it to shackle the rest of the ninja world beneath him. And lastly, I don't know exactly what Danzou, the great hero, who was willfully complicit in at least one genocide and harvested the eyes of the freshly killed to augment his own power, could have gotten from helping Oro clear the way for him to become Hokage and not take advantage. But given his history, it's as likely he was involved as it is that he wasn't.
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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Konoha knew Root existed because Itachi was a double agent and though Hiruzen had no alternative but to allow for the extermination of the Uchiha, he did promise Itachi to take are of Sasuke. So Hiruzen knew Root existed and that Danzou was in charge of it.

    Jiraiya wasn't incompetent and he warned Tsunade about Root before he left to attack Akatsuki. So he obviously knew of them and their intentions.

    As for Naruto being outcast and led on a path of hatred, Hiruzen knew what he was doing and allowed him to enter the ninja academy. He was orphaned but who took care of him? Hiruzen always kept an eye on him with his crystal ball. If Naruto was babied since the beginning, he would've been a pansy and not very shinobi at all. He was also given Kakashi as a teacher, someone who would take care of him because Naruto's dad was Kakashi's teacher.

    Which brings me to Kakashi. Kakashi only failed in keeping Sasuke in the village and not realizing how intense his hatred for Itachi was. Sasuke was doing great getting along with his fellow Leaf shinobi. He's said it himself. He said that being happy in Konoha made him weak.

    As for leaving Orochimaru alive, that was Hiruzen's only weak spot because he had the chance to kill him but didn't. So, as for Danzou being able to do the dirty work, Danzou would've made quick work of Orochimaru for being a threat to the village. Why didn't Danzou eliminate Orochimaru? Personal interest. People are claiming Danzou to have Konoha's true interests at heart. Bullshit. Danzou had his own interests at heart. He permitted the Sand invasion and did nothing in the Pain invasion. Why? With Hiruzen out of the way he could try to become Hokage. That backfired on him because Jiraiya came to save the day and was asked to be Hokage. Had he done anything about it, he would've become Hokage. As for the Akatsuki invasion, he did nothing about it and would have succeeded had he not died against Sasuke. If he truly had Konoha's interests at heart, he would've eliminated Orochimaru the moment he learned he was in the village during the Chuunin exam. He would've helped stop Pain. If he really cared about Konoha he would've stayed in Root and helped Konoha instead of wanting to be Hokage. Thanks to him, thousands of Leaf villagers and ninja have died for no other reason than to further his lust for power.

    As for the alleged crappiness, Hashirama literally created the Leaf from the best two clans of ninja in the world. He gave bijuu to everyone to balance power (he probably forsaw other Hokage use them to rule the other villages). Tobirama sensed tension in the Uchiha after the Madara incident and made them into the police force, which is supposed to be the most trusted position to keep the peace and law in effect.

    As for Kushina being kidnapped, everyone was sent to save her but only Minato succeeded. That doesn't mean that Hiruzen wasn't doing his job. As for the Hyuuga giving a corpse to the Cloud, Hiruzen said it was to avoid war with a village boasting the strongest military force of the 5, it was most likely Hizashi's wish to die so Hiruzen complied. Hizashi even told Hiashi that it was his wish to die to save the village.
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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    Danzou's comments to his men, denying them a request to go defend the village, meant exactly what Danzou said it meant. Tsunade would be able to save enough people so there would still be a village for him to rule, so let them die to aid in my cause. He gave a specific reason and it wasn't just his respect for Tsunade's skills.
    The point is that Tsunade would save most and only "some" would die. Given the situation, there would be deaths regardless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    There was nothing foolish about trying to bring Sasuke back at the time Danzou decided to instead, trade the dossier of all the Konoha Anbu to Oro for a crack at Sasuke. At that point he was still a missing nin but not an international criminal. There is also nothing wrong, in the face of complete annihilation, with calling in every powerful fighter you have. And clearly he not only hid his association with Oro, but was planning to kill good Konoha shinobi to keep it a secret because his behavior was indefensible and treasonous. But most importantly, Danzou wasn't Hokage and he doesn't get to make decisions for the village. And they were always bad self interested decisions. If Naruto hadn't come back, Tsunade would have died.
    It was stated that the act of abandoning the village itself was a crime punishable by death, and that's ignoring the fact that Sasuke attempted to murder a fellow ninja send to bring him back. And I though there were a question as to whether the dossier was filled with real Anbu? Anyway, it is wrong to call upon the one person who is being seek, especially when the last they were seen, they weren't that powerful at all and them being captured would endanger the entire world. And technically, he wasn't the one who wanted to assassinate Anko, though I understand that's not much of a difference. As for making decisions, that's questionable. The way things look, it seems like he was considered like an adviser, like the other two Elders. If that was the case, then it would be his job to make sure the Hokage made the best decision for the village.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    Like I said before, Danzou never planned on dieing in the fight with Sasuke. How do I know that? Well, he said so. The seal was set to go off with the advent of his death. Until the very end he was planning on living, which also speaks to his arrogance.
    That's not fair. No one goes into battle planning on dying. Dying and/or sacrificing one's self doesn't happen until there's no other option available to win. Of course one would keep trying to live if they had the means to possibly win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    The flash back showed what sent Danzou off on this parallel quest for power. He couldn't satisfy the requirements for being a will of fire type ninja because unlike all the rookies, he never crossed his own dangerous bridge. He could never actually put the village before himself. He was anguished over his own cowardice, not disappointed that Sarutobi beat him to the punch.
    I still don't see it as being cowardice. It wasn't as if Danzo was the only one who couldn't volunteer. Sarutobi was the only person out of the group to volunteer. Even Tobirama didn't volunteer til after Sarutobi and Danzo had their little pissing contest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    I wasn't suggesting that he wanted the village destroyed. He wanted to rule it and use it to shackle the rest of the ninja world beneath him. And lastly, I don't know exactly what Danzou, the great hero, who was willfully complicit in at least one genocide and harvested the eyes of the freshly killed to augment his own power, could have gotten from helping Oro clear the way for him to become Hokage and not take advantage. But given his history, it's as likely he was involved as it is that he wasn't.
    The key thing with the Uchiha Massacre is that Danzo and co didn't act until after they began to plot their coup. The same with aiding Hanzou, done after pre-Akatsuki had already begun their move and Pain's Invasion. In those situations he took advantage of another work for him own goal .Danzo seems more opportunistic then malicious. I really doubt Danzo would have helped Orochimaru attack the entire village, especially since if he truly wanted Sarutobi out of the way, he already had a better and safer means to take control without anyone knowing.

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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The point is that Tsunade would save most and only "some" would die. Given the situation, there would be deaths regardless.

    It was stated that the act of abandoning the village itself was a crime punishable by death, and that's ignoring the fact that Sasuke attempted to murder a fellow ninja send to bring him back. And I though there were a question as to whether the dossier was filled with real Anbu? Anyway, it is wrong to call upon the one person who is being seek, especially when the last they were seen, they weren't that powerful at all and them being captured would endanger the entire world. And technically, he wasn't the one who wanted to assassinate Anko, though I understand that's not much of a difference. As for making decisions, that's questionable. The way things look, it seems like he was considered like an adviser, like the other two Elders. If that was the case, then it would be his job to make sure the Hokage made the best decision for the village.

    That's not fair. No one goes into battle planning on dying. Dying and/or sacrificing one's self doesn't happen until there's no other option available to win. Of course one would keep trying to live if they had the means to possibly win.

    I still don't see it as being cowardice. It wasn't as if Danzo was the only one who couldn't volunteer. Sarutobi was the only person out of the group to volunteer. Even Tobirama didn't volunteer til after Sarutobi and Danzo had their little pissing contest.

    The key thing with the Uchiha Massacre is that Danzo and co didn't act until after they began to plot their coup. The same with aiding Hanzou, done after pre-Akatsuki had already begun their move and Pain's Invasion. In those situations he took advantage of another work for him own goal .Danzo seems more opportunistic then malicious. I really doubt Danzo would have helped Orochimaru attack the entire village, especially since if he truly wanted Sarutobi out of the way, he already had a better and safer means to take control without anyone knowing.
    Oro was nothing for Itachi's normal Sharingan , so Danzo with his MS couldn't be worry about orochimaru and his ET ....
    why he didn't use MS on Sarutobi , because people can find out it , just like Kirikagure ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafagh View Post
    Oro was nothing for Itachi's normal Sharingan , so Danzo with his MS couldn't be worry about orochimaru and his ET ....
    why he didn't use MS on Sarutobi , because people can find out it , just like Kirikagure ...
    Allowing Orochimaru and Suna to wipe out the village still wouldn't have benefited Danzo in any way, thus he would have had no need to support them.

    And considering Yagura ruled Kirigakure for years before being discovered, Danzo using Kotoamatsukami to quickly get rid of Sarutobi by suicide or simply stepping down wouln't have had the same issue. Even if Danzo didn't want to directly rule, he could have easily chosen a Root member to become a "puppet Hokage" in his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Allowing Orochimaru and Suna to wipe out the village still wouldn't have benefited Danzo in any way, thus he would have had no need to support them.

    And considering Yagura ruled Kirigakure for years before being discovered, Danzo using Kotoamatsukami to quickly get rid of Sarutobi by suicide or simply stepping down wouln't have had the same issue. Even if Danzo didn't want to directly rule, he could have easily chosen a Root member to become a "puppet Hokage" in his place.
    a very interesting hypotesis! maybe even righter than kishi's job,since it's more logical.yet,the story itself wouldn't have allowed that,but this doesn't prevent that kishi has put things in a wrong way. then we can just go with hypothesis. I think danzo didn't use it because he knew that in the leaf a lot of guys would have noticed that (hyuga,kakashi and yamanaka). and maybe he just knew that hiruzen was too strong and knew about shisui's eye in him (maybe hiruzen was controlling him by using the sphere).

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    Logically he wouldn't have to worry much about those things because of how unlikely it would be for them to use their abilities upon the Hokage without reason. That's why Yagura was able to rule for so long, because it took awhile or people to suspect something was up and get to the point of investigating him. I doubt he though Sarutobi was too strong given his attitude towards him and Danzo being controlled is unlikely considering all that he was allow to do, like keeping Root around even though it was suppose to be disbanded.

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    For once, i have nothing to say in defence of Konoha. They have been boasted to apparently be the greatest, yet they cower in fear against other nations. They are careless when it comes to bloodlines and only rely on a select few. And its quiet surprising that they did indeed leave two of the now most powerful rookies and arguarbly Shinobi to fend for themselves. I know i argued and still stand by the principle that Sasuke was not much of a threat and never needed any care, but they did honestly handle him terribly. I mean sending rookies to retrieve him? Seriously?

    Looking at the power scales of the rookies for example, they are soo messed up and far behind both Naruto and Sasuke that its not funny. They are essentially non factors if they were the ones defending Konoha if Sasuke invaded. And it seems like the Manga is nearing its climax.
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    Re: Konoha's uncaring/inept government

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    For once, i have nothing to say in defence of Konoha. They have been boasted to apparently be the greatest, yet they cower in fear against other nations. They are careless when it comes to bloodlines and only rely on a select few. And its quiet surprising that they did indeed leave two of the now most powerful rookies and arguarbly Shinobi to fend for themselves. I know i argued and still stand by the principle that Sasuke was not much of a threat and never needed any care, but they did honestly handle him terribly. I mean sending rookies to retrieve him? Seriously?
    Exactly that.
    Hiruzen was too much of a pacifist, I know he preached about the Will of Fire but seriously, bending over every moment someone screwed Konoha? He was the goddamn God of Shinobi.

    Same for the Naruto/Sasuke issue, I'm not talking about making them as weapons, but hell developing all the raw potential those two had, one as an Uchiha, the other as the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki.

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    Looking at the power scales of the rookies for example, they are soo messed up and far behind both Naruto and Sasuke that its not funny. They are essentially non factors if they were the ones defending Konoha if Sasuke invaded. And it seems like the Manga is nearing its climax.
    So true.
    Now they use the "prodigy like no others" of the Hyuuga clan as comic relief. Neji. The one that, according to Kakashi, would've mopped the floor with Sasuke. Comic relief. And now Sasuke is an international threat.

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    Konoha and the whole Ninja system is messed up. The 1st Hokage didn't have to deal with Danzo so its not his fault. The 2nd Hokage was a jerk and the 3rd was weak and cared to much about his old friendship with Danzo to fully stop him. The 4th maybe would have handled Danzo better. In all, all of the countries are authoritarian governments and will do anything to keep stability or a hold over the other nations and/or countries. What they don't realize is that if they had a democracy and drew a line in what would be going to far to keep peace their world wouldn't be as violent and such ruthlessness wouldn't be necessary, also if they tried to work together and take diplomacy seriously and not have power through bruit force their world would be better. I like the Uchiha clan and what Danzo the 3rd and Itachi did to them was wrong and could have been handled much better. Again if both sides were use to handling serious situations with out force things could have been better and I highly doubt that all the Uchiha wanted to take over the village and all of the kids should have been spared, as if a 10yr old cares or knows about political things. In my opinion Danzo was a old fart and I appalled Sasuke for killing him, maybe those elders should be killed to. Maybe the Uchiha would be alive if the 4th was ruling. But yes Naruto's Generation has a heart and they use their own brains instead of following what some old guy wrote centuries ago(The Ninja Code). Naruto will bring not only peace but justice to the village and only through true and pure justice will lasting peace ensue. Something that the likes of Danzo, Itachi, and the elders should have learned. lords decides who the join(not all adults) can vote for to become Hokage. They have all the power.

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    There secretive, manipulative, and corrupt. There goals might be good. But like any government, they have major flaws. Good thing there not a tyranny or communist.

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