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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
I am confused at what the heck Niou is doing. Is Niou actually doing these techniques or what? Because I thought they made it pretty clear during the Nationals the he is only doing "Illusions" and not really the techniques. It just looks like he is. That's why Niou isn't as good as the original people he imitates. Though at other times it seems like Niou is really doing the techniques. Which doesn't make sense, because then he would technically be as skilled as the person he is imitating.
Last edited by Kaoz; April 23, 2012 at 02:55 AM. Reason: added prefix
Umm... He's probably actually doing those techniques. I just think it's impossible to "illusion" syncho, especially with the enemy.
Well, here's something, though. I think his strength/skill level doesn't change, but he used other people techniques. If I were to put it in game term, he has the same base stat when he's doing the illusion, but his techniques become those that he copy.
There is certainly certain skill level or "base stat" that people have with their tennis. I mean, if Sanada and Horio started playing a match even with banning of Sanada's techniques, he would still crush Horio. Another good example is the 3rd court, which hardly had any techniques, but their base tennis skill seemed to be high enough to be fighting the old top-mid tier pretty nicely. The best example is probably Irie and Shiraishi, not so fancy tennis, but super strong regardless.
Yagyuu is probably the same way. He can fight evenly with Niou who almost beat Fuji pre-6th counter. However, Kaidoh had most likely the stronger version of the "snake" AND the faster laser as well.
While that's pretty clear cut most of the time, the auras are a bit questionable. In PoT, you can see auras, so it should also be possible to make them appear with just the optical illusion, and with Saiki for example we don't actually see the effects and with Hyakuren, we do see effects but he doesn't use it throughout the whole match.
Given what Chitose said when he opened Saiki, it might be that Niou can use the doors but not over a longer period of time.
That being said, I still don't think he used a true Synchro, simply because in order to use Synchro both partners have to trust each other. Now you could argue that because his form changes, Oishi and the twins are fooled and trust him enough, but the problem is the other way around.. Niou isn't exactly known as a trusting person. So I guess it's possible that he used a one sided Synchro in both cases, that allows him to influence the other person but he isn't influenced himself.
Basically he can use techniques as long as his own limitations allow him to.
That being said, he also keeps any advantages his body has over the person he copies. For example, I wouldn't be sure whether Tezuka would have been able to return Kagero Zutsumi like Niou did.
As a side note, Hitouji's voice imitation is different from Niou's Illusion in that his appearance doesn't seem to change.
Niou's Illusion is bad for his growth. Even if he keeps using it, he'll never be able to reach his true potential. I want to see Niou being Niou, using his style and stop copying others.
Okay, so all of you believe he is really doing the techniques despite this? They made it clear that Niou is doing an illusion to swindle people into thinking he is someone else. But like I said, if Niou is actually doing the techniques, he IS as skilled as the person doing them. Tezuka's techniques are what make him the ability/skill level he is. It's all a part of it. If Niou can do those techniques, his ability level raises accordingly. To say Niou isn't any better stat-wise is just ignorant.
Also, everybody knows Niou is really this guy:
Also, here's another one. Is Momoshiro above Oni right now because they both have BJK and Momoshiro also have other techniques?
The Niou issue we've gone over tons of times and even with this thread I feel Konomi will soon troll us so we never get to the bottom of it.
I think Niou really did use Synchro. Since the Mutsu Twins could only synchronize coz they were twins, if he interrupted it and read their thoughts, he must have genetically become them or something coz I kinda felt it was implied that instead of synchronizing due to being best friends, they synchronized coz they were twins.
I also feel Yagyuu is incredibly strong in Singles too. I honestly think Yagyuu > Kaidoh. As base wise he is possible above Niou.
Another thing which we were unlucky with is that Konomi suddenly stopped giving us the Stats he was giving us at the start of every full match.
the anime added in Oni and Momoshiro I think, and we got them right through the team shuffles excluding The Kyushu Doubles reunion of Washio/Suzuki VS Tachibana/Chitose.
I imagined we would get a chapter cover with Niou, Ochi, Mouri and Atobe's stats but oh well.
No. As I mentioned Oni is far greater than Momo. However, that doesn't mean BJK didn't raise Momo's ability level. Just because Momo isn't Oni's level, doesn't mean BJK Momo is the same as No-BJK Momo.Quote:
Nioh, definitely an amazing player. His skills as a player alone are top-notch, and his Illusions are nigh-invincible. Without a doubt, they are actually happening right before your very eyes. Never question it. Puri.
Lets not forget about his acting skills, like faking an injury to get Yagyuu shaken up; we may see him go the Irie-route in the future.
Not only that, but once Niou change to Shiraishi, then Fuji started to evolve again and started using Hoshi Hanabi. That already make this match unable to judge Niou's gauge. Because his enemy IS Fuji, the epitome of evolving mid-match and unstable power level.
To be honest I think Niou is an absurd character. I wish Konomi made him a bit more realistic. Not that PoT was ever realistic, but turning into other people kinda pushes the Shounen sports boundaries.