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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
I don't know. I told him i belive Kakashi can use his sharingan just as good as Tobi could in a fight but he does not agrees. We are compaing feats from both of them using a sharingan, like jutsus, copying jutsus, information about it and so on. But i am sure we are not going to get anywhere.
Waste of time, in my opinion, as Kakashi has his own unique skills with the Sharingan. He's made good use of Sharingan so far, and both use their Sharingan differently and have different abilities.
Though I do think Kakashi can oneshot Jiraiya with Kamui. The problem is that he'd be open because he either has to concentrate to use specific amount of chakra or recover from using too much chakra. Jiraiya and Minato would be open to take him out, though Gai should provide a decent distraction. Not sure if Kakashi would use a kage bunshin either as combining MS and KB would drain him of too much chakra.
Sharingan Mastery. Not just in the phase of Genjutsu. When you combine the three categories(Control,knowledge,jutsu) of the sharngan, Kakashi is not on Tobi's level.... That dosen't stop Kakashi from being a master of th sharingan.Originally Posted by M3JLOL. What do you mean "i don't know". I've explain it to you in EVERY single post. ONE MORE TIME. Kakashi is not on tobi's level when it comes down to Control,Knowledge,and Jutsu of the sharingan.Originally Posted by xXAnI also told you in EVERY post this has nothing to do with a fight. Its about Mastery of the sharingan.Quote:Ware comparing feats from Better control better Jutsu better knowledge. Kakashi lose in all three, he only has a fighting chance in the Jutsu department... which he still lose. Of course we aren't getting anywhere. like i said you don't admitt when you are wrong.Quote:
You can be my gues and have your oppinion. What you keep repeating there got old a long time ago.
Well, Ninja's don't have a rank higher than 'Kage Level' and we've seen Multiple Kage Level Ninja's defeat or can defeat another Kage Level Ninja's with absolute else or decisively .
Itachi > Orochimaru
Naruto > Third & Forth Raikage
Minato > Killerbee & Forth Raikage.
In actuality, I don't think there's anyway Kakashi & Gai can stand up to the lengendary Minato and The Great sennin Jiraiya. These 2 Ninja's have strange, out of this world techs that would make both Gai & Kakashi think twice about a match vs them.
In regards to Itachi and Orochimaru, I think that's just a bad match up much like the fight between Kisame and B and even Kisame and Guy.Quote:
Naruto is the main character, he is meant to be strong, so for me that doesn't say much.
When has Minato shown to be more powerful than B and A? Wasn't that fight a stalemate?
But ultimately I agree, S-Rank is a vague category which can range from Asuma to Nagato, Kage level though I find to be more determined considering people chosen for a Kage position are the best of the bunch, yet there are Shinobi who have shown to be close to a God so perhaps that's the level above Kage.
Yet i don't think Jiraiya/Minato/Kakashi or Guy are on this level, I do however believe that Kakashi/Minato/Jiraiya and a Gated Guy are on the same level.
I don't agree with your thinking, Orochimaru was a great Sannin too, yet as we can see Kakashi perfomed much better against Itachi than he did. I'm not by any means saying this means Kakashi is stronger than Orochimaru it's just a demonstration of how well Kakashi can fight against a high level opponent.Quote:
Kakashi uses Space-Time Ninjutsu as well as Minato and Guy can open 7 Gates to me that's just as impressive.Quote:
Wait what ? The guy fought Itachi once, and never ever Itachi wanted to kill him, he wasn't even half serious. (I don't consider Kakashi fighting that clone thing as a fight). Kakashi never ever showed anything close to the level of Itachi.Quote:
They fought twice.Quote:
So? what's your point?Quote:
Again, what's your point? How does anything you have stated take away from my argument?Quote:
Just sayin', this is what Kakashi thinks when standing up to a Sannin, namely Orochimaru, so please let's not compare the two
In part 1. Very early in the manga. So it's perfectly fine to compare the two.Quote:
Not to mention in that case there's at least over three years time skip as well... which you didn't seem to mind, so how comes Kakashi gets different treatment?
Last edited by LnDRash; May 03, 2012 at 06:28 AM.
Not only that but what exacly has Kakashi improved from part 1? Aside from Kamui i have no idea.
Difference is, if my knowledge is correct the first databook lists Kakashi's stats as 33 and that databook covers up to the Chunin exam and some of the invasion of Konoha. So my logic is when he had a stand off with Oro his stats where 33 yet when he fought Itachi his stats are 34.5.Quote:
His and Jiraiya's stats stayed the same throughout each databook.Quote:
His Taijutsu, intelligence and speed.Quote:
My point is that using Itachi/Orochimaru to say that he can do well vs high level opponents is ridiculous : Kakashi is strong, smart, full of ressources, I don't doubt that. But we've never seen him doing so well against high level opponents : Itachi pwned him while not being serious at all, Pein raped him, nearly got killed by Kakuzu and was never able to have the edge over him...