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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
There's been a lot of discussion in the forums, so I thought that creating that thread might be a great idea.
So there are no speial rules.
Madara is as we saw him in the manga.
The only exception of course being that he is not an Edo Tensei in this fight.
As for Rikudo, well, we don't have much information on him, but we can elaborate on what powers he have on this thread.
I'll list what I think he has, but you can disagree with that list if you want.
Riduko's power, IMO:
- All of Uchiha's power
- All of Senju's power
- All of Rinnegan power
- Host of the Juubi (equal to the nine bijuu combined)
- Possess the 5 legendary weapons (used by Raikage and the Kin/Gin brothers)
- Able to use every elements to a master level (he is said to have created all ninjutsu)
- Sage arts (don't know which animal, but he is called "Sennin", so he is a sage.
It will come to no surprise to everyone if I say that Rikudo is WAY stronger than Madara, IMO.
But surprisingly, some people were not agreeing with that.
So, I create that thread so that we can debate about it here, instead of in the discussion/prediction threads.
It's a sad day when a topic like this is made.
Well RS is no different from Hurizen, he is nothing but hype and legend... So this thread fails.
Well, seems THM Nindo did this topic in response to others, so we can't blame him.
Yet Rikudou Sennin is based way too much on speculation, and even what we know is heavily tainted by massive hype:
by manga standards, he can destroy Madara with his pinky.
He is basically the actual Madara with the strongest being in the Narutoverse sealed in his belly, which chakra is at his complete disposal.
RS's level is pure speculation, mixed with some old lore. But if even a single one of the feats and skills attributed to him is even half true, he absolutely wrecks Madara. But I doubt anything about the RS is going to be confirmed in the manga, so I think we're expected to accept that what has been said about RS is basically true.
"Madara has better feats"
And that was before being the Jinchuuriki of said bijuu, thus obtaining a power trascendant any human.
Even if he's awesome, Madara still never even got near Rikudou Sennin in hype, we can argue that we don't know what he can do, but we can't argue that he can probably take all the villages in the Narutoverse and stomp on them
That was more of a joke but Madara lost to Hashirama when he had no Rinnegan and no wood element. We are using curent version here(but not ET mode). Diferent versions so what you stated does not apply.
Also you can't prove Kyuubi is at half power, from everything i see Kyuubi is fully regenerated and at full power. We can argue this fact all day but you can't prove it 1 way and i can't prove the other. We could fight in oppinions but there is no clear fact to support your point.
Also beating the bijus is not that impresive. Tobi 1 shoot 1 of them with some unknown jutsu. Madara could use those Tobi chains to tie them down, absorb the chakra, use wood element to stop them and so on. Hasirama had most of the biju's under his control or something. Stoping the biju's is not that impresive with curent levels of powers in this manga.
Also hype is irrelevant. That is why i stated feats. Also even Madara (probably) can take all the vilages at once and stomp them, if he can use all rinnegan jutsus showed by Nagato is not even a posibility, is a fact lol.
Last edited by xXan; June 06, 2012 at 01:45 AM.
At the end of the day to win he still used EMS powers like Susano'o, Rin'negan wouldn't really matter against Hashirama since Madara couldn't absorb his Mokuton, and if Gum guy survived a meteor while protecting a clone, I believe Hashirama can too with low difficulty.
As for Kyuubi being at half power, do remember that Yondaime sealed ( as in, forever sealed inside the Shinigami belly ) half of Kyuubi's chakra, the Yin if I remember right. Now, not only we saw the sealing in action, we also know from Jiraiya and Gerotora that Yondaime indeed separated the two chakras ( when Jiraiya talked inside the frog before fighting Pein ) and that inside Naruto there is only the Yang chakra.
Not only that, but we saw that the original Kyuubi is way bigger than the one inside Naruto's seal, as we saw in the night of the sealing when he shrinked after being sealed.
Also beating Bijuus isn't relevant?
Are you kidding?
Also Madara's "feats" consists of him toying with the kages and being dead if not for ET regeneration. I too like him and I too believe that he is the strongest being in this manga right before Kabuto ( only because he can control him ) but Rikudou Sennin was painted in this manga as a god even before he acquired Juubi's chakra
The rinnegan can absorb wood element just like it can absorb oil + fire. I mean oil spit out and set on fire. I see no reason to state he can't absorb the wood element. Madara made it clear no jutsu would work on him. Not only that now he can use WOOD ELEMENT HIMSELF.
That meteor was stoped before it made a normal impact. That is why people survived. First 1 was stoped and the other 1 landed on top of the other and not direcly into them.
Minato stated he is sealing half the power (not yin/yang, that was retconed or JMan was wrong) as 100% of it would be to much for baby Naruto but after he grew up there would be no reason why he can't handle 100% of it. Sealing 50% in himself and he was on his knees. Kushina had 100% and she had no problems but because she was an Uzumachi something that Naruto is to. Just read the 9 tails discussion with the 8 tails. The way the yare talking is like the Kyuubi is at full power, i am sure some line would pop up how powerfull he is even at 50%. Do you remember when it was coming out of the CT how huge it was? Of course you can try comparing it to the other biju's and you would notice he is just as big, if it was at 50% it would be somewhere around half as big as them. Before you state he was bigger then the rest before of that i would sugest you look at the picture with the little biju's before RK, all of them where just as big.
I never said irrelevant, i said its not that impresive, there is a diference. I said HYPE is irrelevant and it is. But yes its not that impresive as Hashirma had more then 1 under control, Naruto owned 5 of them, Tobi 1 of them with 1 move and so on. You can just use those chains and make them into your personal pets. Also genjutsu aparently works just as fine. Broken people like curent Madara would take them down no problem. But i would remind you that aparently RK won vs the 10 tails by sealing it inside of himself. It was not just a fist fight.
Now Madara is exacly that, toying with them as he knows he can't die. Just look at what he can do... He got hit the first time as he allowed it. The second time as he decided to use all those clones and play around. He does not give a shit as he knows he can't die. If he was mortal things would play diferently.
Now what feats in combat does RK has? None. That is why i stated Madara has better feats, as we NEVER noticed RK fighting. We could asume he could do this and that based on what other people showed but that is about it. The 3'th hokage was also something of a God in hype and Nagato stated he IS GOD... And we all know how that played out.
Yes RK is probably God compared to them but he has no real feats. We could asume what he could do with those powers, Juubi included but do we actualy have any feats? No.
Last edited by xXan; June 06, 2012 at 04:48 AM.
Also he did not create the bijus. He split an existing biju (juubi) into smaller forms. We have a diference here. Also just because he was the first tho invent jutsus does not mean he can do it better then Madara. Minato was the first with rasengan but FRS is way better.
Last edited by xXan; June 06, 2012 at 06:14 AM.