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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Naruto has great aspirations to one day become Hokage of the Hidden leaf village and hopefully he will attain his goal. The purpose of this thread is to intimately discuss whether or not at the present moment does Naruto fully qualify for the position or put simply does he have what it takes to govern the hidden leaf village in the foreseeable future?
*There are a lot of things to keep in mind when you answer this question*
Level of maturity
Powers and abilities
That is all please feel free to comment
Last edited by BASED Shinigami; May 27, 2012 at 07:00 PM.
Powers and personality are the only only qualities that Naruto has. He is lacking the rest.
With the way the story is going, Naruto might end up the first leader of the United Ninja Villages. A position beyond Hokage that doesn't require him to actually do anything other than be a spiritual leader. While someone like Shikamaru, who has the brains to run a village, becomes Hokage.
It is easy to forget Naruto even wants to be Hokage. Naruto's dream of Hokage fit better in Part 1. Now he is trying to change the entire ninja world. Never mind his main goal is the redemption and bringing home of Sasuke.
He severly lacks in decision making and has great flaws in intelligence, not because he is dumb ( well, not only that ) but also because he lacks a lot of informations on the ninja world.
Still he has guys like Shikamaru and Kakashi to cover up for him, so I don't see those as great issues
I still don't think there will be an unite front, it seems far too farfetched in my opinion, expecially with all the Kages still around and kicking. I can see Naruto being viewed as an international hero, but I believe that he will be ultimately Hokage.
Not only its his dream, so to speak, but also Niidaime Mizukage commented on Naruto and Gaara being a "good pair", and pretty much was hinted since the beginning of part 2 that Naruto and Gaara would lead their rispective villages as partners
I think things will change after this war. It will be an end to the nationalism that the ninja system created. I am not saying there will be no more countries, but there will be more intermingling and the borders will have mostly been broken down. And Naruto could lead that effort as Hokage or an even greater position.
He's got the will of fire. He's got a love for all the members of Konoha. He's got the love and respect of the whole village. So yeah.Quote:
Nah. Naruto's decision making is really only remarkable in a pinch, and only when he has an extremely exploitable advantage. I don't think he has what it takes to pull a village out of the crapper when the strategy requires longterm flexibility. Can you imagine him trying to solve a financial crisis, or decide which village to back in a dispute between other villages?Quote:
PFFT, Hahahahaha! Sigh...hah.Quote:
He finally understands what true pain is and thus, can relate to lost causes more... but his never-say-die attitude gets him into situations he isn't prepared for (rematch with Nagato? If Itachi wasn't there he'd be dead). He's mature, but I dunno if I'd say he's mature enough.Quote:
Yeah. He's the strongest in the village, so he's got that covered.Quote:
Again, this is where his boisterous pride in his own nin-do is detrimental more than it is helpful. He'll lead an army to their deaths under the premise that "Aslong as we believe in ourselves, ANYTHING is possible!" That works wonders for morale, but it won't win a war. Some one point out his leading the other Konoha nin when kiilling the Zetsu, but that wasn't leading... that was pointing, lmao. He found them, showed them where they were... then they fought them. It's not like he was orchestrating a strategy or creating formations or anything. It was literally just him saying "Hey, there he is over there!"Quote:
All in all, his greatest qualifications are in his power, and his ability to boost morale and motivate people through will of fire nonsense speeches. He's not a leader though. And he ain't smart.
Well, I don't see him becoming Hokage anytime soon nor is he qualified enough for position; he might become Hokage after the manga has ended years later..that is if he is still alive and hasn't been killed in his final battle with Sasuke
well , people will belive in him very easy ( super easy ) but a leader need charisma and he hadn't any , a leader need strong personality to force other to obey his order but Naruto has not this sort of personality and we Know Hiruzen couldn't force other to obey his orders and in the end his weak personality lead all ninja world into 4th world war !!! his weak personality give enough power to some one like Danzo to doing what he want and making villain after villains ...Quote:
he decided to forgive Nagato , and If Nagato couldn't change his personality in less than 10 minutes , he could absorb kill Naruto ( Well , Kabuto Summon Nagato with white hair and That Nagato was enough strong to defeate both Bee and Naruto !!)Quote:
If he face something like Orochimaru situation then things would become worse than Sandaime's era !!
people saying he showing great intelligence in battles but IMO in Part 2 , his enemy become dumb against him rather than he using his brain !!! ( well he have plenty of advantage and help as well )Quote:
he is strongest in his village ,Quote:
but I should add that if he loss QB , in best case his power level will become like Raikage .... unless he learn more jutus and won't repeat only two jutsu in his fight !!
it the same as his personality ...Quote:
oh I forget his Talk no jutsu , with his talk no jutsu he could send all people in eternal illusion ...
His personality - well, he has the mysterious power to make friends to anyone. So yeah.
Decision making - well, the kyubi can help him to decide to any problem.
Intelligence - naruto and kyubi. So yeah, he has this quality.
Level of maturity - kyubi can help and punch him to get matured.
Powers and abilities - No doubt.
Leadership qualities - The kyubi maybe has the leadership skills than shikamaru and kakashi. So he can fill that gap to naruto.
Overall, the kyubi is much more suitable to any ninja of konoha to become a hokage. And the kyubi is inside to naruto, then maybe naruto will become the most powerful, knowledgeable, and suitable to become a hokage. Thanks to the kyubi though.
Naruto, with his mentality, is more likely to become leader of the Justice Leaf rather than that of the Hidden Leaf. But then again, he is trying to change the Ninja World, isn't he. He has will and tenacity and isn't a pro-revenge fellow, even less than Hiruzen, but he's lacking in the ninja mentality wether Rikudou Sennin type or Danzou's type or even Kakashi/Shikamaru/Haku/Kakashi/Sai/Shino types.
Not inthis world, that's for sure. As the leader/General of the Defense, Intelligence, Covert Op Corp/Agency of the Land of Fire he clearly isn't to coordinate all that, not even the 10th of it. Especially if there was a war. He might even try to go on the front line few seconds after it's heard of and just tell somebody "Kaskashi-sensei/Shikamsru! I trust you for the rest!" He needs to develop new programs and methods to make sure his village doesn't fall behind others and even reaches and stays at the forefront of ninja development. Combat-unrelated initiatives. or else he'll be acting even less as a full leader of his village than Gaara to a certain point used to.
The biggest flaw, or near it. He seriously lacks knowledge and intellegence. As I said, Konoha is the Defense/Intelligence/Covert Ops Corp od his Country, you don't entrust its leadership position to someone, just because he has the Will of Fire. He would be required to take into consideration an immense quantity of parameters/data, analyze and adapt them to fit the village objectives economically, militarily, politically, socially in the short, mid and long term ranges. Not the calculator/strategist type. Complexity isn't his best friend.
Level of maturity:
... ... ... ... ... Gaara seems to be........... But Naruto... especially when Kishimoto put more dumb in him than necessary as during the time he was on the Turtle island counting animals. Itachi needed to teach him important things too in the Hokage recognition department too. Not ready in this part, not at all. but at least, and we can give him credit for that, he resist the chains of hatred more easily than others.
But he has big flaws as when he went to implore Raikage not to pursue and eliminate Sasuke although he became a S-class criminal going as far as saying some as selfiss as "war risks to spread between their 2 villages if he was to kill Sasuke" This implied that he really thought that because Sasuke represented so much FOR HIM that the WHOLE KONOHA VILLAGE would be brought into a war-class revenge conflict (as Sandaime Kazekage's disappearance lauched the 3rd Ninja World War). Or that at least he would make it become such because of his fealing towards Sasuke and try to bring his village into such war against Kumo for doing what was supposed to be done/planned
The same happened when he panicked when the Suna Siblings came to tell him about the New World War to come and that Sasuke was nor an Internationally wanted S-Class criminal for what he did. Surely his will prevents him from giving up but he seems to be ready to jeopardize his village peace for the sake of Sasuke (not for a whole Clan, as with Itachi, but for 1 person). He forgives Pain for destroying the village and killing Jiraiya, saying he won't execute revenge on their behalf, but when Sasuke's in that picture he ready to war against Kumo and thinks about getting his village involved in it. Shikamaru understood the situation and decided that the village (or at least the 11 Super-Friends (taking naruto out of the count)) should take care of him before the situation gets even more problematic. Sandaime made a serious mistake with Orochimaru among all his great decisions, but there's no need to deliverately repeat such mistake with Sasuke (at least decide do something even if you don't manage to beat or kill him).
Powers and abilities:
For combat power, individually, he's fit, no more doubt. But Who's more fitted to lead the espionnage/assassination/covert op/secret defense organization that is The S.H.I.E.L.D.: Hulk or Nick Fury? Nick Fury of course. Naruto is like the Hulk in this department. And He doesn't know a great variety of jutsu/skills either. How would he have reacted with Anko/Sasuke's Curse Seal as Sandaime and Kakashi did? Or could he do what Minato, Hashirama,Sandaime did with sealing, containing, extracting a bijuu from it's host (as with on Mito and Kushina)? Fuuin-Jutsu is a must-know for a Kage. Was there a foe with such ability that the ANBU (Intelligence, Ibiki, Yamanaka Inoichi, etc) couldn't manaage to extract information from him, could Naruto, as the Hokage, demonstrate to required skill we could expect from someone like Sarutobi, Danzou, Orochimaru, Hashirama or Tobirama?
He can stimulate people to war but I doubt is such of a strategist/tactician that would required taking into consideration most of most people's abilities + that of the enemy + the environment properties and coordinate them for maximum efficiency with minimum of cost or do it quick enough when the situation is rapidly changing. Ninja are to be masters of adaptation and tactical/strategical thinking, even more so if your to act as the General-in-Chief of the national defense.
I think he's got the power, and I think he's far smarter than he gets credit for, but his wisdom is currently about 0%.
Naruto is all about heart. He's not a good decision maker, he's extremely immature, and he has shown very little leadership capability. I don't even think he has a very good handle on the world around him; he's kinda got tunnel vision where he focuses on Sasuke and himself and doesn't really seem to comprehend everything else.
I don't think it's impossible for him to turn into the kind of person suited to run a village but I would say, of the rookies, the only one further from being suitable than him would be....Sasuke (Mainly because has a more destructive set of the very same character flaws).
Last edited by Jammin; June 09, 2012 at 09:41 AM.
Naruto doesn't have what it takes to make good decisions. Instead of doing what he must, he'll do what sounds better to him. His refusal to have Sasuke killed has caused Konoha and other villages problem that could have been avoided. Naruto sucks at decision making, even if he has resolved to kill Sasuke or deal with him and learned to rely on others.Quote:
He fainted after hearing the decision to have Sasuke killed. Though he's come along long ways 'til then, but he didn't kill Sasuke when he had the chance to when Team 7 reunited. Not only would he have helped remove one of Tobi's major pawns, but he'd have also decrease chances of war that he and Shikamaru apparently thought might happen if Kumo killed Sasuke.
Sasuke is superior here, at least in terms of emotion. Despite his thirst for revenge, his plan of infiltrating the Summit to kill Danzou wasn't as bad as made out to be. What happened was Zetsu betraying them, otherwise who knows how it'd have gone? Naruto thinks too much with his emotions, which tends to cloud his thoughts. Holding Kakashi to prevent him from killing Sasuke? That left Kakashi wide open. Not a good decision.
In terms of battle, he's pretty good. In terms of real life, he's dumb, sadly. Though, Naruto has come a long way since hte beginning of the manga, I don't think he's intelligent enough to be a hokage. Does he have incredible focus that's required? Can he learn jutsu that require seals? Remember lots of jutsu? He has a lot more responsibilities, including determining who to send on what mission, anything related to jutsu, and the best decision to make for Konoha and ultimately, for the world. Naruto severely lacks in this area overall, until proven otherwise.Quote:
Not high enough to be a hokage. Unless proven otherwise.Quote:
If we went by powers alone, Naruto would easily be a kage material. Naruto however isn't a genius. His powers and abilities come from his willpower, refusal to give up, and hard work. If being a genius is required, Naruto won't be a hokage. Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato, and Tsunade have all shown to be geniuses, including JIraiya, Orochimaru, Danzou, and Kakashi. They have helped shaped Konoha into what it is or was before the timeskip.Quote:
Only leadership quality he has shown is the ability to motivate people into fighting. He hasn't shown to be able to lead, and pointing people out to the imposters isn't really leading. He has shown to be a decent teacher though, teaching Konohamaru kage bunshin and rasengan. Overall though, he's lacking in this area, since inspiration isn't just enough.Quote:
Though, I do wonder how he'd be with his part I teamworking ability. He was able to work with Sasuke pretty well, and at one time took up a leadership role against Zabuza, even if for a minute.
Anyone will decide by what sounds better to them. His decision to not kill Sasuke was done when he was 12/13 years old, he was a kid, it would be much worse imo that Jiraya and Tsunade went along with it, but anyway Sasuke wasn't really a treat until after he killed Itachi and learned the truth. Naruto showed some good decision making when he was fighting Nagato for example, that would be a more accurate measure of his current skill in this regard.Quote:
When he fainted it was because he was still "acknowledging" the change in situation regarding Sasuke, we all know he is emotional. Now he couldn't have killed him then, he said so himself to Kiba, Team 7 wouldn't be fighting Sasuke alone, Zetsu and Tobi would get involved as well and Team 7's chances wouldn't be that big, he also didn't leave Kakashi "open" that was just the arrogant comment of Sasuke, and proof is Naruto intercepted his Chidori.Quote:
Why would he have to learn jutsu that require seals and remember lots of jutsu?! I never saw the Raikage make a seal for example nor use a wide range of jutsu. Regarding responsabilities is true, but the Hokage doesn't work alone, he has counsilors and Naruto's will include Shikamaru. But with the right assistence he is inteligent enough to make the right decisions, he has been proving that along the way.Quote:
Naruto's talk with Nagato, his final decision regarding Sasuke, the development of his relation with Kurama, all of that is proof that his level of maturity is quite high right now. Though he is still 16 so what would you expect?Quote:
What do you consider a genius? For me Naruto is a genius. In the beginning he had trouble because he couldn't control chakra well, but that was due mainly to Kurama being inside him. Naruto learned Kage Bunshin (Rank A) in a few hours. After he got a proper guidance he developed amazingly fast surpassing the genius Sasuke. He learned the Rasengan (Rank A) in little more than one week. Created the Rasenshuriken (Rank S) a jutsu of a level not even Minato and Kakashi could achieve in a very short time. Mastered Sage Mode better and faster than Jiraya. After the proper help (Bee) fully controlled his Bijuu, including the use of Biju-dama, quite fast also. That's what I call a genius. Naruto since the beggining of the series has shaped Konoha to an enormous extent. He was decisive to get Tsunade to be Hokage, he defeated Suna's jinchuuriki and future Kazekage, turning him not only into an ally but in a close friend. He defeated Nagato and won Konan and, by extent, Amegakure to his side. He is not a "hero" for no reason.Quote:
He didn't only point out the Zetsus, Naruto took the lead in the fronts he got to. He is also able to work well with Shika and Chouji (as shown in Sai's debut) he works well with Sakura (2nd ring bell test) and with Sai after they became friends, he works well with Kiba as well and now with Bee (in monster mode). His leadership quality is quite high, because people acknowledges and respects him, so when he takes a decision, they follow. Naruto has been showing it since the Invasion of Pain. He is also a believer of the Will of Fire, and knows what "true strength" is, which means protecting people, those are essencial qualities of a leader, has shown with Hiruzen. When regarding critic and essencial issues, like relation with the various clans, peace with other villages, ideology etc Naruto has it all. For the day to day decisons, where he lacks a little I know, he has counsilors like Shikamaru to help him out.Quote:
Last edited by Daniel; June 10, 2012 at 07:19 PM.
Also what do you mean as "genius"? In battle? In a straight out fight, even without Kyuubi Naruto at 16 would beat, easily, every single one of the ones you mentioned apart from Hashirama and Yondaime, or Kakashi if he lucks out with Kamui.
So battle is crossed out. Abilities? He mastered Sage Mode, he learned KB in some hours, he mastered Rasengan in 2 weeks.
In external fields? Of the ones you mentioned, only Hiruzen and Tsunade are said to be "geniuses" outside combat, and Tsunade in a very specific field, the medical one. Oh and Oro in the "madman" category.
Helped shape Konoha? Naruto saved Konoha from annihilation versus Pein, and he is on his way to win a ninja war, to the point that the 5 Kages entrusted him to do it.