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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    When the fandom is creating a mass of BL doujins that directly translates to a big female readership, that's how it is.^^ Guys could write them, but only because there is a demand by mostly female fans, not male ones.

    If you search for Torikoko on pixiv you will mostly find shounen ai pictures, when you search Toriko it will have nearly the same result.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    I know, it's crazy. And I keep seeing Law X Smoker pics around everywhere.
    It's similar with Gintama. But pixiv is just sorta that way. A good portion is of fan pairing.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    And it's only there because I appreciate aesthetic art, so you might be right.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    Jump Issue #24 Cover


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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    I don't have super high expectations for this but that's actually a pretty cool cover

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Haato View Post
    nah, I think statistics would be better to have in this case. Just because some people write bl doujins doesn't necessarily mean it's popular with females :/ it's a good assumption, but that's just what it is, assuming. Even tho statistics aren't always completely accurate, I think it's at least better than basing it's popularity on how many love doujins it has.

    And also don't forget that guys could be writing some of those doujins :x
    So, if I told you that exactly 21.6% of readers were women this would have some sort of meaning to you

    You would in some way be able to analyze the meaning of the data, the implications, how it compares to the percentage of woman reading shounen as a whole? It would not in any way be open to misinterpretation, dismissed no matter how much higher than the percentage of readers for most shounen? Give me a break.

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    While I suppose men could draw BL doujin, I thought it was common knowledge that BL was a subculture for women. While there are male readers, and writers, most slash manga are written for women by women. Most are not even meant for homosexual readers.

    It is interesting, and rarely discussed in this thread, how popular Jump is with fujoshi. The art in some series, notably Bleach and Naruto, evolved to keep up with changing taste in bishounen. As did D. Gray Man, formerly of Weekly Jump. Even the male characters in One Piece have become noticeably more attractive over the years, though woman have a more prominent role in One Piece than is the norm for Jump action. Reborn was driven by bishies from the very start, same with Prince of Tennis, of course. There are some recent exceptions, Magico clearly does not have fujoshi in mind. But the average Jump manga is very BL friendly, whether intentionally or not.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    Don't exagerate you don't need a thesis to compare 2 percentage. And I think your second post resume perfectly the initial perplexity, Toriko does not fit in this evolution at all.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    20.2% of Weekly Shounen Jump readers are female. 15.4% of Weekly Young Jump readers are female. Other than the obvious, WSJ has a higher percentage of female readers than WYJ, what do those statistics have to say? Do they explain empirically why more women read WSJ, or would some sort of assumption have to be made about what appeals to whom? Can you tell what series those 15.4% are buying WYJ for, or what series that 20.2 percent buy WSJ for? In the end aren't those numbers not just a little boring?

    Even if we knew the percentage of female readers for individual series, what would learn by comparing them? That one has a higher proportion than the other? How would we account for the difference? Do we make assumptions about the appeal of plot, art, pacing, and genre?

    As I said before about Toriko: big muscles, adventures, long lonely nights, relentless machismo, no women. What would not appeal to those who enjoy slash manga?

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    There's a lot of overlap in what attracts men and women to Shonen manga when you get down to it; it's not a one or the other situation with action VS bishounen here.

    And analyzing media trends (like doujinshi) is a good way to collect data, sometimes it's better than statistics since it's easier for someone to fudge their answers on a survey than their own person habits.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    Toriko always seemed more likely to appeal to gay men rather than fujoshi in my opinion. Typically fujoshi tend to like more bishonen characters, pretty boys with skinny bodies rather than big muscly men. However I have heard that Dragon Ball has a pretty big female following, so I guess them liking Toriko makes sense

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    Gay man like muscles, fujiyoshi lean beautiful men? You generalized a whole group of readers, that's never a good thing to do. Maybe it's because there are just not many big muscle manga released nowadays, which limits the number of sensational manga to make bishounen manga from.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    I don't like that cover.


    I hope Nisekoi actually lasts tho and it won't disappoint.
    While that guy who said that love-com won't last more than 10 volumes is pretty biased, I can see where he is coming from since there really are limitations to what you can do in love-com without turning it into something else.


    Keep bleach at the bottom for a while and maybe kubo will put more heart into it, let's see if this together with the bad ratings
    from fb arc and falling volume sales are enough to motivated him to actually think before he writes his stuff.
    Sure, this arc has been good but it's only good by Bleach's standards.

    Naruto is one again, probably because two Uchihas are exploding their fanbases.
    Like always, glad to see Gintama up, since everyone is talking about it..I guess it's one of the serious arcs.

    Interested to see how reborn! will do in the future, will it propel back again as always or stay down( which I highly doubt ) .

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    All this talk about Toriko and fujoshi is making me LOL. In all seriousness though, I don't think any other magazine is as BL/female oriented as JUMP is. For instance they doesn't use gravure idols and AKB48 on their covers which are obviously aimed to get the attention of heterosexual guys. On the other hand fujoshi readers will be less willing to buy a cover with a bikini clad woman on it when they're in a certain manga primarily for the male characters.

    Going back to Toriko, I think it's more likely to attract fans of bara instead of BL.

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    I don't have super high expectations for this but that's actually a pretty cool cover
    Same here. The art style is my cup of tea so I'll keep a mental note to check this one out.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    If the guy's done THAT many one-shots of it that he can make a whole "volume 0" then he's got to have thought about it a little. Toriko has 2 one-shots before it started... I know a few other popular series had at least one. I know Ao no Exorcist did.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

    Picture of an Animate store in Japan promoting Nisekoi the day it went on sale.


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